Imagine If The GOP Actually Wanted To Help

[Zander]

Yes, let's all help Comrade Obama screw over future generations of Americans by making them 100% dependent upon government for everything!! CRADLE TO GRAVE!!! While we are there we can triple the national debt, let illegals have amnesty, institute a "value added tax" to get our taxation rates over 50%, and destroy our economy for "globull warming".

No thanks. Get a job ya stinky hippie!!!

 

[Stephanie]

LOL, the Gop did what their constituents asked of them. they refused to accept this MASSIVE overtaking of our health care system by the commies in the white house.
The Obama-Pelosi-Reid, Seiu Unions were not going to negotiate anything in it. they made that loud and clear. You people who voted for the Obama got SUCKERED. no other word for it.

It now BELONGS all on the shoulders of the DEMOCRATS-Progressives. now they get to eat the fallout for it.

hope it hurts so bad.

 

[txlonghorn]

What would have happened if after Nov. 20 of 08, the GOP had purposed in their heart to work with Obama and the Democrats for the good of the nation? To fix the wrongs of the past 8 years instead of to play political and uber-partisan games trying to win and gain more political capital.

Do you think the HCR Bill would have been so bad?

Why did they WASTE so much time lying, attacking and saying no instead of INVESTING it in attempting to IMPROVE things?

When will they learn? When will they LEAD?

Do you think the HCR Bill would have been so bad?

What's so bad about it? Not sure I get your question here.

Why is it that you have concluded that because they didn't agree with his majesty's proposal on healthcare, that they were working against the good of the nation? Are you THAT self righteous? With as many Americans that were against the passage of this bill and the admitted contempt that the left had for the will of the people, it sounds to me like that shoe should go on the other foot.

 

[GWV5903]

Democrats were kicking and screaming at the war mongering and wasteful spending the whole time bub...SNAP OUT OF IT!!

Flat....Stone....Lie.

And we wonder who supports Obama and how we are headed into Socialism....

 

[txlonghorn]

Democrats were kicking and screaming at the war mongering and wasteful spending the whole time bub...SNAP OUT OF IT!!

So THEY were the party of no...is that it?

Sounds like you're ok with the kicking and screaming as long as it's not against you.

Would that be safe to assume...bub?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Republicans acted like democratics for eight years and look what we got.

What are Democratics?

What Democrat was president who sent us into 2 foreign wars?

Wasn't it the Reps who increased medicare without worrying about deficits?

 

[Xenophon]

What Democrat was president who sent us into 2 foreign wars?

Woodrow Wilson

Franklin Roosevelt.

You must have heard of them, they sent more Americans to their deaths then anyone else in history.

 

[Stephanie]

Democrats were kicking and screaming at the war mongering and wasteful spending the whole time bub...SNAP OUT OF IT!!

So THEY were the party of no...is that it?

Sounds like you're ok with the kicking and screaming as long as it's not against you.

Would that be safe to assume...bub?

bingo

 

[txlonghorn]

The right only seems to be able to lead us into war and debt.

their hatred for the left has blinded them to actually doing anything good for America.

geezus Christ US....the left has not excatly showed a lot of love for the Right ...now have they?....

I don't think you have figured it out yet...the left are exempt from all blame........

 

[☭proletarian☭]

The right only seems to be able to lead us into war and debt.

their hatred for the left has blinded them to actually doing anything good for America.

Asleep when they discussed Operation Iraqi freedom, Vietnam, Korea, World war II, world war I....

Iraq never attacked us. How was invading Iraq and getting our troops killed good for America?

How was trying to force VietNam to remain under French Colonial control good for America? How was getting involved in Korea's internal conflict good for America?

WW2? Wasn't Roosevelt president when we were attacked? didn't he ask for the declaration of war? Wasn't he also a Democrat? Wasn't Wilson also a Democrat?


What point were you trying to make, exactly?

 

[manu1959]

Democrats were kicking and screaming at the war mongering and wasteful spending the whole time bub...SNAP OUT OF IT!!

yep the whole time the voted for it and every time they voted to fund it.....and of course most recently when they sent another 30,000 men to war....

 

[☭proletarian☭]

imho Bush should be tried for treason for lying to the American people and getting us into this war.

Again I see 'Bush' but you want to let all the rest escape.

Powell, the entire senate and congress, all of the easy war for fun and profit crowd.

Iraq was a bipartisan war, until the Dems figured out it could help them if they turned it into the new vietnam, and it worked, they took Congress, then teh senate and now the white house.

And they were the enablers the entire time to it.

'Et Tu' is a fallacy.

Saying that the Dems, who made the mistake of believing what thew Bush Administration told them went along with the Republican desire for war doesn't excuse the Republicans' actions.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

What Democrat was president who sent us into 2 foreign wars?

Woodrow Wilson

Franklin Roosevelt.

You must have heard of them, they sent more Americans to their deaths then anyone else in history.

I'm pretty sure Americans were killed by German U-boats during our semi-covert attempts to provide material support the English war effort.

Also, I vaguely remember something about the Japanese attacking an American naval installation somewhere. Some harbour somewhere. Pearl something...

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Democrats were kicking and screaming at the war mongering and wasteful spending the whole time bub...SNAP OUT OF IT!!

yep the whole time the voted for it and every time they voted to fund it.....and of course most recently when they sent another 30,000 men to war....

Bush cast the die.

Once you get into a war getting out is much harder than not getting involved in the first place.

 

[Xenophon]

What Democrat was president who sent us into 2 foreign wars?

Woodrow Wilson

Franklin Roosevelt.

You must have heard of them, they sent more Americans to their deaths then anyone else in history.

I'm pretty sure Americans were killed by German U-boats during our semi-covert attempts to provide material support the English war effort.

Also, I vaguely remember something about the Japanese attacking an American naval installation somewhere. Some harbour somewhere. Pearl something...

Was that before or after US broke international neutrality laws?

BTW, I'm sure Japan was thrilled we tried to dictate to them what to do, while helping Britain and France, who had larger and more racist colonial empires....

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Britain and France... had larger and more racist colonial empires....

And that makes American Imperialism okay?

BTW it was a conservative sentiment that led many to support the English. Understanding that motivation requires an understanding of the US' historical relation to the England. To justify such policies under what could be considered the general principles of Leftist ideology is all but impossible.

I have condemned the US' actions against Germany during WWI many times, btw.

 

[BolshevikHunter]

Republicans acted like democratics for eight years and look what we got.

What are Democratics?

What Democrat was president who sent us into 2 foreign wars?

Wasn't it the Reps who increased medicare without worrying about deficits?

Wasn't it the fucking Democrats that came up with Fannie mae / Freddy Mac and who also defended it suprisingly enough even a few months before it's failure? Wasn't it that fat disgusting perverted pig Barney Frank who was accusing the Republicans of being fear mongers when they warned us all about the fact that it was bankrupting the Government and it was nothing more than an avenue for Mortgage fraud? ~BH

 

[Xenophon]

Britain and France... had larger and more racist colonial empires....

And that makes American Imperialism okay?

Arguing with yourself?

You asked what US Dem POTUS lead us to two world wars, now you have the answer Jimmy.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

What would have happened if after Nov. 20 of 08, the GOP had purposed in their heart to work with Obama and the Democrats for the good of the nation? To fix the wrongs of the past 8 years instead of to play political and uber-partisan games trying to win and gain more political capital.

Do you think the HCR Bill would have been so bad?

Why did they WASTE so much time lying, attacking and saying no instead of INVESTING it in attempting to IMPROVE things?

When will they learn? When will they LEAD?

Tell me is there no chance of history repeating itself?






Medicare (hospital insurance). In 1965, as Congress considered legislation to establish a national Medicare program, the House Ways and Means Committee estimated that the hospital insurance portion of the program, Part A, would cost about $9 billion annually by 1990.v Actual Part A spending in 1990 was $67 billion. The actuary who provided the original cost estimates acknowledged in 1994 that, even after conservatively discounting for the unexpectedly high inflation rates of the early ‘70s and other factors, “the actual [Part A] experience was 165% higher than the estimate.”

Medicare (entire program). In 1967, the House Ways and Means Committee predicted that the new Medicare program, launched the previous year, would cost about $12 billion in 1990. Actual Medicare spending in 1990 was $110 billion—off by nearly a factor of 10.

Medicaid DSH program. In 1987, Congress estimated that Medicaid’s disproportionate share hospital (DSH) payments—which states use to provide relief to hospitals that serve especially large numbers of Medicaid and uninsured patients—would cost less than $1 billion in 1992. The actual cost that year was a staggering $17 billion. Among other things, federal lawmakers had failed to detect loopholes in the legislation that enabled states to draw significantly more money from the federal treasury than they would otherwise have been entitled to claim under the program’s traditional 50-50 funding scheme.

Medicare home care benefit. When Congress debated changes to Medicare’s home care benefit in 1988, the projected 1993 cost of the benefit was $4 billion. The actual 1993 cost was more than twice that amount, $10 billion.

Medicare catastrophic coverage benefit. In 1988, Congress added a catastrophic coverage benefit to Medicare, to take effect in 1990. In July 1989, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) doubled its cost estimate for the program, for the four-year period 1990-1993, from $5.7 billion to $11.8 billion. CBO explained that it had received newer data showing it had significantly under-estimated prescription drug cost growth, and it warned Congress that even this revised estimate might be too low. This was a principal reason Congress repealed the program before it could take effect.

SCHIP. In 1997, Congress established the State Children’s Health Insurance Program as a capped grant program to states, and appropriated $40 billion to be doled out to states over 10 years at a rate of roughly $5 billion per year, once implemented. In each year, some states exceeded their allotments, requiring shifts of funds from other states that had not done so. By 2006, unspent reserves from prior years were nearly exhausted. To avert mass disenrollments, Congress decided to appropriate an additional $283 million in FY 2006 and an additional $650 million in FY 2007.

http://jec.senate.gov/republicans/p...orm_Cost_Estimates_Reliable__July_31_2009.pdf

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Republicans acted like democratics for eight years and look what we got.

What are Democratics?

What Democrat was president who sent us into 2 foreign wars?

Wasn't it the Reps who increased medicare without worrying about deficits?

Wasn't it the fucking Democrats that came up with Fannie mae / Freddy Mac and who also defended it suprisingly enough even a few months before it's failure? Wasn't it that fat disgusting perverted pig Barney Frank who was accusing the Republicans of being fear mongers when they warned us all about the fact that it was bankrupting the Government and it was nothing more than an avenue for Mortgage fraud? ~BH

Republicans said the same shit. Both parties are full of Keynesians.

Now, care to address the numerous points made?