I'm Sure Everyone Knows This, But Here's a Reminder

[BULLDOG]

Wow.....if those sales are in fact illegal....we can already arrest the felons buying the guns under existing law. In fact....we could have undercover police officers at gun shows selling guns, and then see if the buyers are felons, then we can arrest them. There is no gun show loophole. The gun stores at gun shows must do federal background checks...and hope that the Air Force puts in the criminal records of the buyers......

You understand that gun stores aren't the only ones selling at gun shows, don't you?

Yep....and it isn't a loophole since private sellers don't have to do background checks when they sell their private guns.....and again, if a felon buys a gun from a private seller, we can already arrest him and throw him in jail....we already laws that cover that....

If an under aged person buys alcohol we can arrest him too. Does that mean we shouldn't have laws against selling to minors?

Never said we should....you however keep claiming that we don't want any laws about guns.....when we show you over and over again, the gun laws we want, and the punishment for breaking those laws, actually work. But because our laws go after actual gun criminals, and not law abiding gun owners who have committed no crime, you don't want them.

We have laws against felons buying, owning or carrying guns....and we catch them all the time...including this guy....he was banned from buying those 4 guns....your god....the government, failed.

Yes, the military screwed up, and I don't know anyone who is happy about that. It should have never happened. I'm sure it was not the first time a background check was wrong, and won't be the last. Mistakes happen in every thing that humans do. That has nothing to do with universal background checks.

 

[BULLDOG]

For everyone who forgot leftists are liars and/or have no idea what they're talking about. Or any combination of both.

I’m still trying to figure out what they mean when they say “universal background checks “. Every libtard says they need them, but can’t say specifically what it is.

I'm assuming it's just a buzzword with no meaning, Democrats love those. They can repeat them over and over, then pretend the meaning is obvious, everyone knows, and anyone who doesn't is stupid, inherently.

Well, yes, the meaning is obvious to anyone with a 3rd grade education. If you don't understand that universal background checks means everyone who buys a gun should be required to go through a background check, then you are stupid, inherently. Are you proud of that trait?

And you are so fucking stupid that no matter how often we explain how dumb universal background checks are, you still fail to comprehend it....

Criminals do not get their guns by going into a gun store or buying them from a private, legal seller. Criminals get other people who can pass background checks buy the guns for them.....friends and family...baby mommas and grandmothers......

So.....since these "straw buyers" can pass the current, already mandated federal background checks....that means.....shithead......that these same straw buyers can go to a private seller, and pass the universal background check and get the gun....

Do you finally understand why universal background checks are stupid?

Of course, the real reason morons like you want universal background checks is that once you have them....you will wait till the next mass shooting...and then say...see, we need universal gun registration, because how do you expect universal background checks to work if we don't know who has the guns.....

That is the real reason you want them.....it has nothing to do with stopping criminals from getting guns...it has everything to do with creating the precursor to gun banning and confiscation...

Are you expecting me, or anyone else to believe crooks wouldn't buy a gun from an individual seller, especially since he has no background check, and nobody will know he bought it? Only an idiot would believe that.

 

[Kosh]

This thread proves the far left wants to ban all guns from legal citizens, the police and the military. They only want the criminals to have the guns.

 

[BULLDOG]

What laws do you think we should have? Should child molestation be legal? What about getting drunk and driving the wrong way on an interstate? Selling meth at the junior high school? Which laws do you support, if any?

I know what point you are attempting to make but it’s shit. There are already laws on the books for those crimes and there are already laws on the books controlling guns. We do not need any more laws especially since the ones we have are not working.

Yes there are laws on the books preventing sales of alcohol to people that are not supposed to be able to buy alcohol. The seller is required to check to see if the buyer is allowed. We even do that with cigarettes, and lots of other things. There is no similar law for gun sales. You have to check someone's ID to sell them a pack of Marlborough s or a beer. otherwise the seller is in lots of trouble. No corresponding laws to sell them an AK47. You don't see that as kinda stupid?

More bull shit. Do you ever stop lying? There already background checks and
no, there is no gun show loophole. I can privately sell alcohol and cigarettes to anyone without seeing an ID.

You really don't know what you are talking about. I can say I assume a 15 year old thug is a resident and can legally buy a gun. With no background checks there's no way to prove I'm lying.
How to Sell a Gun in Texas (Private Sales) - Face to Face Transfer, and Other Options
Face to Face - Personal Sale

This is the most common transaction and by far the most profitable one to boot. In the state of Texas you do not have to transfer ownership of the firearm via a dealer, nor do you have to have the firearm re-registered as there is no such firearms registration in the state of Texas.

Your only obligation is to reasonably assume that the purchaser is a Texas resident and legally able to own and possess the firearm. Often times people will request a Texas Drivers License to ensure they are a state resident, write a bill of sale, and sometimes take information from the purchaser. All of these are not required, but to some, are good practice to ensure you, as the seller, are performing your duty properly. Each seller's methods vary, and some buyers are defensive about providing personal info to strangers due to identity theft.

Once the transaction is performed you are done. There's no paperwork, no phone calls, etc. to be made.

Gun shows are good avenues for placing your guns in a buyer-rich environment. If you are unsure how to attract a buyer, I suggest a gun show.

Private transactions are not illegal and you won’t stop then with another Law. If you could read at an adult level you would know that I was proving that with my analogy.

What laws do you think we should have? Should child molestation be legal? What about getting drunk and driving the wrong way on an interstate? Selling meth at the junior high school? Which laws do you support, if any?

I know what point you are attempting to make but it’s shit. There are already laws on the books for those crimes and there are already laws on the books controlling guns. We do not need any more laws especially since the ones we have are not working.

Yes there are laws on the books preventing sales of alcohol to people that are not supposed to be able to buy alcohol. The seller is required to check to see if the buyer is allowed. We even do that with cigarettes, and lots of other things. There is no similar law for gun sales. You have to check someone's ID to sell them a pack of Marlborough s or a beer. otherwise the seller is in lots of trouble. No corresponding laws to sell them an AK47. You don't see that as kinda stupid?

More bull shit. Do you ever stop lying? There already background checks and
no, there is no gun show loophole. I can privately sell alcohol and cigarettes to anyone without seeing an ID.

You really don't know what you are talking about. I can say I assume a 15 year old thug is a resident and can legally buy a gun. With no background checks there's no way to prove I'm lying.
How to Sell a Gun in Texas (Private Sales) - Face to Face Transfer, and Other Options
Face to Face - Personal Sale

This is the most common transaction and by far the most profitable one to boot. In the state of Texas you do not have to transfer ownership of the firearm via a dealer, nor do you have to have the firearm re-registered as there is no such firearms registration in the state of Texas.

Your only obligation is to reasonably assume that the purchaser is a Texas resident and legally able to own and possess the firearm. Often times people will request a Texas Drivers License to ensure they are a state resident, write a bill of sale, and sometimes take information from the purchaser. All of these are not required, but to some, are good practice to ensure you, as the seller, are performing your duty properly. Each seller's methods vary, and some buyers are defensive about providing personal info to strangers due to identity theft.

Once the transaction is performed you are done. There's no paperwork, no phone calls, etc. to be made.

Gun shows are good avenues for placing your guns in a buyer-rich environment. If you are unsure how to attract a buyer, I suggest a gun show.

Blah blah blah, it’s not illegal to privately sell a gun, nor should it be. And you could make it illegal but that would do nothing to criminals at all.

Who wants to outlaw private sales? Have you been listening to those voices in your head again?

 

[ChrisL]

For everyone who forgot leftists are liars and/or have no idea what they're talking about. Or any combination of both.

I’m still trying to figure out what they mean when they say “universal background checks “. Every libtard says they need them, but can’t say specifically what it is.

I'm assuming it's just a buzzword with no meaning, Democrats love those. They can repeat them over and over, then pretend the meaning is obvious, everyone knows, and anyone who doesn't is stupid, inherently.

Well, yes, the meaning is obvious to anyone with a 3rd grade education. If you don't understand that universal background checks means everyone who buys a gun should be required to go through a background check, then you are stupid, inherently. Are you proud of that trait?

And you are so fucking stupid that no matter how often we explain how dumb universal background checks are, you still fail to comprehend it....

Criminals do not get their guns by going into a gun store or buying them from a private, legal seller. Criminals get other people who can pass background checks buy the guns for them.....friends and family...baby mommas and grandmothers......

So.....since these "straw buyers" can pass the current, already mandated federal background checks....that means.....shithead......that these same straw buyers can go to a private seller, and pass the universal background check and get the gun....

Do you finally understand why universal background checks are stupid?

Of course, the real reason morons like you want universal background checks is that once you have them....you will wait till the next mass shooting...and then say...see, we need universal gun registration, because how do you expect universal background checks to work if we don't know who has the guns.....

That is the real reason you want them.....it has nothing to do with stopping criminals from getting guns...it has everything to do with creating the precursor to gun banning and confiscation...

Are you expecting me, or anyone else to believe crooks wouldn't buy a gun from an individual seller, especially since he has no background check, and nobody will know he bought it? Only an idiot would believe that.

If a person purchases a gun illegally (if they are not supposed to be purchasing a gun), then a law has already been broken. If you are a felon or if you are not supposed to have a weapon and you go out and purchase one anyway, then you have broken the law.

 

[Kosh]

I’m still trying to figure out what they mean when they say “universal background checks “. Every libtard says they need them, but can’t say specifically what it is.

I'm assuming it's just a buzzword with no meaning, Democrats love those. They can repeat them over and over, then pretend the meaning is obvious, everyone knows, and anyone who doesn't is stupid, inherently.

Well, yes, the meaning is obvious to anyone with a 3rd grade education. If you don't understand that universal background checks means everyone who buys a gun should be required to go through a background check, then you are stupid, inherently. Are you proud of that trait?

And you are so fucking stupid that no matter how often we explain how dumb universal background checks are, you still fail to comprehend it....

Criminals do not get their guns by going into a gun store or buying them from a private, legal seller. Criminals get other people who can pass background checks buy the guns for them.....friends and family...baby mommas and grandmothers......

So.....since these "straw buyers" can pass the current, already mandated federal background checks....that means.....shithead......that these same straw buyers can go to a private seller, and pass the universal background check and get the gun....

Do you finally understand why universal background checks are stupid?

Of course, the real reason morons like you want universal background checks is that once you have them....you will wait till the next mass shooting...and then say...see, we need universal gun registration, because how do you expect universal background checks to work if we don't know who has the guns.....

That is the real reason you want them.....it has nothing to do with stopping criminals from getting guns...it has everything to do with creating the precursor to gun banning and confiscation...

Are you expecting me, or anyone else to believe crooks wouldn't buy a gun from an individual seller, especially since he has no background check, and nobody will know he bought it? Only an idiot would believe that.

If a person purchases a gun illegally (if they are not supposed to be purchasing a gun), then a law has already been broken. If you are a felon or if you are not supposed to have a weapon and you go out and purchase one anyway, then you have broken the law.

The law only works when it is implemented and followed..

Many states still do not report people to this database, but in this case the military dropped the ball.

I hope they find out who ever is responsible and have them tried for 20+ deaths!

 

[BULLDOG]

I’m still trying to figure out what they mean when they say “universal background checks “. Every libtard says they need them, but can’t say specifically what it is.

I'm assuming it's just a buzzword with no meaning, Democrats love those. They can repeat them over and over, then pretend the meaning is obvious, everyone knows, and anyone who doesn't is stupid, inherently.

Well, yes, the meaning is obvious to anyone with a 3rd grade education. If you don't understand that universal background checks means everyone who buys a gun should be required to go through a background check, then you are stupid, inherently. Are you proud of that trait?

And you are so fucking stupid that no matter how often we explain how dumb universal background checks are, you still fail to comprehend it....

Criminals do not get their guns by going into a gun store or buying them from a private, legal seller. Criminals get other people who can pass background checks buy the guns for them.....friends and family...baby mommas and grandmothers......

So.....since these "straw buyers" can pass the current, already mandated federal background checks....that means.....shithead......that these same straw buyers can go to a private seller, and pass the universal background check and get the gun....

Do you finally understand why universal background checks are stupid?

Of course, the real reason morons like you want universal background checks is that once you have them....you will wait till the next mass shooting...and then say...see, we need universal gun registration, because how do you expect universal background checks to work if we don't know who has the guns.....

That is the real reason you want them.....it has nothing to do with stopping criminals from getting guns...it has everything to do with creating the precursor to gun banning and confiscation...

Are you expecting me, or anyone else to believe crooks wouldn't buy a gun from an individual seller, especially since he has no background check, and nobody will know he bought it? Only an idiot would believe that.

If a person purchases a gun illegally (if they are not supposed to be purchasing a gun), then a law has already been broken. If you are a felon or if you are not supposed to have a weapon and you go out and purchase one anyway, then you have broken the law.

Yes, everybody knows that. I'm not sure why gun nuts keep repeating that, as if it was some reason not to do background checks.

 

[Marion Morrison]

For everyone who forgot leftists are liars and/or have no idea what they're talking about. Or any combination of both.

I’m still trying to figure out what they mean when they say “universal background checks “. Every libtard says they need them, but can’t say specifically what it is.

It amounts to gun registration, so they know who has what.

 

[BULLDOG]

For everyone who forgot leftists are liars and/or have no idea what they're talking about. Or any combination of both.

I’m still trying to figure out what they mean when they say “universal background checks “. Every libtard says they need them, but can’t say specifically what it is.

It amounts to gun registration, so they know who has what.

Do background checks from license dealers amount to gun registration?

 

[Marion Morrison]

For everyone who forgot leftists are liars and/or have no idea what they're talking about. Or any combination of both.

I’m still trying to figure out what they mean when they say “universal background checks “. Every libtard says they need them, but can’t say specifically what it is.

It amounts to gun registration, so they know who has what.

Do background checks from license dealers amount to gun registration?

Absolutely. I haven't bought a gun since they started that.

 

[ChrisL]

I'm assuming it's just a buzzword with no meaning, Democrats love those. They can repeat them over and over, then pretend the meaning is obvious, everyone knows, and anyone who doesn't is stupid, inherently.

Well, yes, the meaning is obvious to anyone with a 3rd grade education. If you don't understand that universal background checks means everyone who buys a gun should be required to go through a background check, then you are stupid, inherently. Are you proud of that trait?

And you are so fucking stupid that no matter how often we explain how dumb universal background checks are, you still fail to comprehend it....

Criminals do not get their guns by going into a gun store or buying them from a private, legal seller. Criminals get other people who can pass background checks buy the guns for them.....friends and family...baby mommas and grandmothers......

So.....since these "straw buyers" can pass the current, already mandated federal background checks....that means.....shithead......that these same straw buyers can go to a private seller, and pass the universal background check and get the gun....

Do you finally understand why universal background checks are stupid?

Of course, the real reason morons like you want universal background checks is that once you have them....you will wait till the next mass shooting...and then say...see, we need universal gun registration, because how do you expect universal background checks to work if we don't know who has the guns.....

That is the real reason you want them.....it has nothing to do with stopping criminals from getting guns...it has everything to do with creating the precursor to gun banning and confiscation...

Are you expecting me, or anyone else to believe crooks wouldn't buy a gun from an individual seller, especially since he has no background check, and nobody will know he bought it? Only an idiot would believe that.

If a person purchases a gun illegally (if they are not supposed to be purchasing a gun), then a law has already been broken. If you are a felon or if you are not supposed to have a weapon and you go out and purchase one anyway, then you have broken the law.

Yes, everybody knows that. I'm not sure why gun nuts keep repeating that, as if it was some reason not to do background checks.

I don't have a problem with reasonable background checks, but I know better than to think you leftists would ever be satisfied with any "gun control" measures.

 

[BULLDOG]

For everyone who forgot leftists are liars and/or have no idea what they're talking about. Or any combination of both.

I’m still trying to figure out what they mean when they say “universal background checks “. Every libtard says they need them, but can’t say specifically what it is.

It amounts to gun registration, so they know who has what.

Do background checks from license dealers amount to gun registration?

Absolutely.

So why don't you gun nuts oppose them? Why does the NRA claim they support background checks from licensed dealers?

 

[BULLDOG]

Well, yes, the meaning is obvious to anyone with a 3rd grade education. If you don't understand that universal background checks means everyone who buys a gun should be required to go through a background check, then you are stupid, inherently. Are you proud of that trait?

And you are so fucking stupid that no matter how often we explain how dumb universal background checks are, you still fail to comprehend it....

Criminals do not get their guns by going into a gun store or buying them from a private, legal seller. Criminals get other people who can pass background checks buy the guns for them.....friends and family...baby mommas and grandmothers......

So.....since these "straw buyers" can pass the current, already mandated federal background checks....that means.....shithead......that these same straw buyers can go to a private seller, and pass the universal background check and get the gun....

Do you finally understand why universal background checks are stupid?

Of course, the real reason morons like you want universal background checks is that once you have them....you will wait till the next mass shooting...and then say...see, we need universal gun registration, because how do you expect universal background checks to work if we don't know who has the guns.....

That is the real reason you want them.....it has nothing to do with stopping criminals from getting guns...it has everything to do with creating the precursor to gun banning and confiscation...

Are you expecting me, or anyone else to believe crooks wouldn't buy a gun from an individual seller, especially since he has no background check, and nobody will know he bought it? Only an idiot would believe that.

If a person purchases a gun illegally (if they are not supposed to be purchasing a gun), then a law has already been broken. If you are a felon or if you are not supposed to have a weapon and you go out and purchase one anyway, then you have broken the law.

Yes, everybody knows that. I'm not sure why gun nuts keep repeating that, as if it was some reason not to do background checks.

I don't have a problem with reasonable background checks, but I know better than to think you leftists would ever be satisfied with any "gun control" measures.

You know that's nuts, right?

 

[Marion Morrison]

For everyone who forgot leftists are liars and/or have no idea what they're talking about. Or any combination of both.

I’m still trying to figure out what they mean when they say “universal background checks “. Every libtard says they need them, but can’t say specifically what it is.

It amounts to gun registration, so they know who has what.

Do background checks from license dealers amount to gun registration?

Absolutely.

So why don't you gun nuts oppose them? Why does the NRA claim they support background checks from licensed dealers?

I personally do. Not an NRA member.

 

[ChrisL]

And you are so fucking stupid that no matter how often we explain how dumb universal background checks are, you still fail to comprehend it....

Criminals do not get their guns by going into a gun store or buying them from a private, legal seller. Criminals get other people who can pass background checks buy the guns for them.....friends and family...baby mommas and grandmothers......

So.....since these "straw buyers" can pass the current, already mandated federal background checks....that means.....shithead......that these same straw buyers can go to a private seller, and pass the universal background check and get the gun....

Do you finally understand why universal background checks are stupid?

Of course, the real reason morons like you want universal background checks is that once you have them....you will wait till the next mass shooting...and then say...see, we need universal gun registration, because how do you expect universal background checks to work if we don't know who has the guns.....

That is the real reason you want them.....it has nothing to do with stopping criminals from getting guns...it has everything to do with creating the precursor to gun banning and confiscation...

Are you expecting me, or anyone else to believe crooks wouldn't buy a gun from an individual seller, especially since he has no background check, and nobody will know he bought it? Only an idiot would believe that.

If a person purchases a gun illegally (if they are not supposed to be purchasing a gun), then a law has already been broken. If you are a felon or if you are not supposed to have a weapon and you go out and purchase one anyway, then you have broken the law.

Yes, everybody knows that. I'm not sure why gun nuts keep repeating that, as if it was some reason not to do background checks.

I don't have a problem with reasonable background checks, but I know better than to think you leftists would ever be satisfied with any "gun control" measures.

You know that's nuts, right?

BS. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's rainin!

 

[BULLDOG]

I’m still trying to figure out what they mean when they say “universal background checks “. Every libtard says they need them, but can’t say specifically what it is.

It amounts to gun registration, so they know who has what.

Do background checks from license dealers amount to gun registration?

Absolutely.

So why don't you gun nuts oppose them? Why does the NRA claim they support background checks from licensed dealers?

I personally do. Not an NRA member.

I'm no longer a member either. I quit when they became more concerned with selling as many guns as possible instead of gun safety. The NRA is the biggest representative of gun nuts and gun manufacturers.

 

[ChrisL]

It amounts to gun registration, so they know who has what.

Do background checks from license dealers amount to gun registration?

Absolutely.

So why don't you gun nuts oppose them? Why does the NRA claim they support background checks from licensed dealers?

I personally do. Not an NRA member.

I'm no longer a member either. I quit when they became more concerned with selling as many guns as possible instead of gun safety. The NRA is the biggest representative of gun nuts and gun manufacturers.

The NRA doesn't sell guns. They represent US and our second amendment right and fight against the government trying to make it more difficult for honest citizens to practice their right. They are an awesome organization that actually accomplishes it's goals. They have some of the BEST lawyers and that is good for you and for me.

 

[BULLDOG]

Are you expecting me, or anyone else to believe crooks wouldn't buy a gun from an individual seller, especially since he has no background check, and nobody will know he bought it? Only an idiot would believe that.

If a person purchases a gun illegally (if they are not supposed to be purchasing a gun), then a law has already been broken. If you are a felon or if you are not supposed to have a weapon and you go out and purchase one anyway, then you have broken the law.

Yes, everybody knows that. I'm not sure why gun nuts keep repeating that, as if it was some reason not to do background checks.

I don't have a problem with reasonable background checks, but I know better than to think you leftists would ever be satisfied with any "gun control" measures.

You know that's nuts, right?

BS. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's rainin!

Some of the fringe might never be satisfied. We both know the fringe will never get what they want. Reasonable regulations are good for all of us. Background checks are reasonable.

 

[BULLDOG]

Do background checks from license dealers amount to gun registration?

Absolutely.

So why don't you gun nuts oppose them? Why does the NRA claim they support background checks from licensed dealers?

I personally do. Not an NRA member.

I'm no longer a member either. I quit when they became more concerned with selling as many guns as possible instead of gun safety. The NRA is the biggest representative of gun nuts and gun manufacturers.

The NRA doesn't sell guns. They represent US and our second amendment right and fight against the government trying to make it more difficult for honest citizens to practice their right. They are an awesome organization that actually accomplishes it's goals. They have some of the BEST lawyers and that is good for you and for me.

They represent gun manufacturers. They scare gun nuts so they will buy more guns.

 

[Marion Morrison]

It amounts to gun registration, so they know who has what.

Do background checks from license dealers amount to gun registration?

Absolutely.

So why don't you gun nuts oppose them? Why does the NRA claim they support background checks from licensed dealers?

I personally do. Not an NRA member.

I'm no longer a member either. I quit when they became more concerned with selling as many guns as possible instead of gun safety. The NRA is the biggest representative of gun nuts and gun manufacturers.

Like you were ever a member.