I'm not sure it matters whether the US was founded on Christianity

[Foxfyre]

Nations rise and fall. What's important is that we found our lives on Christianity and the principles Christ taught us. When we fix our own lives, our nation will fix itself.

it doesn't matter ./ its just a last ditch effort to have a state sanctioned religion

Given a history spanning more than two centuries in which no theocracy has developed or even been a remote possibility under our system of government, doesn't it embarrass you in the least to say something that ignorant?

 

[sinister59]

Nations rise and fall. What's important is that we found our lives on Christianity and the principles Christ taught us. When we fix our own lives, our nation will fix itself.

it doesn't matter ./ its just a last ditch effort to have a state sanctioned religion

Given a history spanning more than two centuries in which no theocracy has developed or even been a remote possibility under our system of government, doesn't it embarrass you in the least to say something that ignorant?

but its true , christian have been say this is a christian country for years now
it is impossible to get a national religion under the present constitution , but they still claim it , if you could comprehend post thats what this one is about,

CBN and churches connected to it have been preaching this is a christian country for years ,so no it doesn't embarrass me to tell fact , does it bother you to hear it ? or are you just a putts trying to sound good ?

 

[Avatar4321]

Nations rise and fall. What's important is that we found our lives on Christianity and the principles Christ taught us. When we fix our own lives, our nation will fix itself.

it doesn't matter ./ its just a last ditch effort to have a state sanctioned religion

Encouraging people to worship God and actually live their religion is a last ditch effort to have a state sanctioned religion? That's a new one.

Seriously, why are you so paranoid about people being honest, acting with integrity, being charitable for their fellow man, developing patience, temperance, kindness, and doing good to others? Does it scare you that much to have good and decent people in society? Perhaps you are worried you wouldn't measure up? There is no need to fear from that because anyone can develop those characteristics.

 

[JBeukema]

unalienable rights come from God

The same god that commanded the slaughter of women and children and everything that breathed during the genocidal campaign to capture Canaan?

And the Founders knew that this principle embodied in our U.S. Constitution would not survive except in the care and custody of a religious and morally virtuous people.

What religion? Slavery, making girls marry their rapists, and the divine right of kings?

 

[JBeukema]

This nation was founded by Liberals on Liberal values.

 

[Foxfyre]

The nation was founded by CLASSICAL liberals, not by principles embraced by modern day American liberals. Modern day American conservatives pretty well follow the principles set forth by our Founders who were all, to a man, classical liberals.

 

[JBeukema]

Liberal = Liberal

Words have meanings. Democratic Socialists are not Liberals.

Conservatism is no ideology, it is only backwardness and reaction- the preservation of the status quo or the restoration of the status quo ante. By definition, 'conservative' refers to the Tories, the KKK, the segregationists, and every other backward and reactionary group in history.

 

[Foxfyre]

it doesn't matter ./ its just a last ditch effort to have a state sanctioned religion

Given a history spanning more than two centuries in which no theocracy has developed or even been a remote possibility under our system of government, doesn't it embarrass you in the least to say something that ignorant?

but its true , christian have been say this is a christian country for years now
it is impossible to get a national religion under the present constitution , but they still claim it , if you could comprehend post thats what this one is about,

CBN and churches connected to it have been preaching this is a christian country for years ,so no it doesn't embarrass me to tell fact , does it bother you to hear it ? or are you just a putts trying to sound good ?

The Founders preached that this is a Christian country and they, pretty much to a man, knew that once it stopped being a Christian country, we would lose the remarkable republic they gave us. It would morph into something very different and bear little resemblance to the vision they held.

And yes, some religious groups make demands just as some Atheist groups make demands and some unions make demands and advocates for just about every cause or issue you can think of make demands. Yet somehow, in the eyes of some, only Christians are EVIL for having a perspective and the others are just exercising their rights to petition their government.

Educated and honorable Americans do understand what the Founders gave us and are dedicated to preserving all the protections they built into the Constitution so that no group or special interest could ascend a throne and dictate to everybody else. And yes, some have been relentlessly chipping away at the foundations of that Constitution and are trying to weaken and remold it into their own image, and unless the rest of us continue to resist that, sooner or later they will succeed.

And I'm pretty darn sure that it won't be Christians who finally overthrow that Constitution.

 

[JBeukema]

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Many of them were Masons

 

[Political Junky]

Nations rise and fall. What's important is that we found our lives on Christianity and the principles Christ taught us. When we fix our own lives, our nation will fix itself.

it doesn't matter ./ its just a last ditch effort to have a state sanctioned religion

Encouraging people to worship God and actually live their religion is a last ditch effort to have a state sanctioned religion? That's a new one.

Seriously, why are you so paranoid about people being honest, acting with integrity, being charitable for their fellow man, developing patience, temperance, kindness, and doing good to others? Does it scare you that much to have good and decent people in society? Perhaps you are worried you wouldn't measure up? There is no need to fear from that because anyone can develop those characteristics.

Charity for their fellow man?
Boehner received a letter from Catholic professors about how uncharitable the GOP Medicare Bill is.

Catholic Professors Slam Boehner Over GOP Budget Cuts - FoxNews.com

 

[American Cowboy]

Thomas Jefferson attended church on Sundays. The service was held in the floor of Congress. So much for the seperation of Church and State.

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." - Patrick Henry

“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” - James Madison

"I now make it my earnest prayer the God would have you and the State over which you preside, in His holy protection, that he would incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow citizens of the United States at large, and particularly for their brethren who have served in the field; and, finally, that he would be most graciously pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, and pacific temper of mind, which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things we can never hope to be a happy nation." - George Washington

And my favorite "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin

 

[Avatar4321]

All true. Very good quotes.

But what does it matter if we reject Christianity as a people? What does it matter if Christians refuse to actually live their religion? I'm not talking about getting religion into politics. but about cleaning up our individual lives with the Atonement of Christ and building the Christ like attributes He has called us to develop.

Freedom is important to God. Why? He could make us all obey Him if He wanted to. But He wants us to choose to follow Christ. Because it's when we make good choices of our own free will that we grow as people that we see the power of godliness manifested among the people. We as a people have been neglecting our relationships with God. We have been failing to live the Christian life. Is it any wonder all this corruption and iniquity abounds? Who is going to be the example if not us?

 

[Foxfyre]

All true. Very good quotes.

But what does it matter if we reject Christianity as a people? What does it matter if Christians refuse to actually live their religion? I'm not talking about getting religion into politics. but about cleaning up our individual lives with the Atonement of Christ and building the Christ like attributes He has called us to develop.

Freedom is important to God. Why? He could make us all obey Him if He wanted to. But He wants us to choose to follow Christ. Because it's when we make good choices of our own free will that we grow as people that we see the power of godliness manifested among the people. We as a people have been neglecting our relationships with God. We have been failing to live the Christian life. Is it any wonder all this corruption and iniquity abounds? Who is going to be the example if not us?

If unalienable rights come from God, which the Founders stated, what happens when the concept of a) people who don't believe in God and therefore have no basis for unalienable rights - or - b) people of a religion that neither recognizes nor allows unalienable rights are in power?

No "Atheist" nation has ever been a respector of human rights, let alone unalienable rights. And only predominantly Christian nations seem to have decent track records when it comes to unalienable or human rights. Even a predominantly Christian nation with an anti-religious or anti-Christian government or one in which the leaders are not interested in unalienable or human rights is not going to fare very well.

 

[AllieBaba]

And that is exactly what the Founding Fathers said. That a government such as ours COULD NOT FUNCTION except that it follow Christian principles, and be used to govern a Christian citizenry.

 

[sinister59]

All true. Very good quotes.

But what does it matter if we reject Christianity as a people? What does it matter if Christians refuse to actually live their religion? I'm not talking about getting religion into politics. but about cleaning up our individual lives with the Atonement of Christ and building the Christ like attributes He has called us to develop.

Freedom is important to God. Why? He could make us all obey Him if He wanted to. But He wants us to choose to follow Christ. Because it's when we make good choices of our own free will that we grow as people that we see the power of godliness manifested among the people. We as a people have been neglecting our relationships with God. We have been failing to live the Christian life. Is it any wonder all this corruption and iniquity abounds? Who is going to be the example if not us?

If unalienable rights come from God, which the Founders stated, what happens when the concept of a) people who don't believe in God and therefore have no basis for unalienable rights - or - b) people of a religion that neither recognizes nor allows unalienable rights are in power?

No "Atheist" nation has ever been a respector of human rights, let alone unalienable rights. And only predominantly Christian nations seem to have decent track records when it comes to unalienable or human rights. Even a predominantly Christian nation with an anti-religious or anti-Christian government or one in which the leaders are not interested in unalienable or human rights is not going to fare very well.

first name a atheist nation please ? one thats doctrine is there is no god ?
christian nation have never respected human life or rights , christianity was in favor of slavery ,
when christian missionary went in to primitive areas they did not respect shit unless they were in danger .

look what christians did to the Mayans , look at what christians did in early Europe , you converted or death , they even burnt christian that used Jewish ceremonies like jebus did ,

as for falling / communist fell to capitalism not christanity , even tho christanity is mostly capitalist ,

nazi how were favored by the pope and still has neo nazi in christanity .fell by war because the rest of the world had enough .

 

[JBeukema]

If unalienable rights come from God, which the Founders stated, what happens when the concept of a) people who don't believe in God and therefore have no basis for unalienable rights - or - b) people of a religion that neither recognizes nor allows unalienable rights are in power?

You mean it's a nation full of Jews?

No "Atheist" nation

What, exactly, would a 'atheist nation' be?