I'm going to vote for the republican who used to be an Al Gore supporting Democrat

Yeah, it's just crazy to get hung up on the fact that there's all these fake ass candidates who "used to be" this, and "used to be" that, who can't decide what the fuck they actually stand for because they don't stand for SHIT.

On Face the Nation yesterday, Huntsman was on and was asked by Schieffer if he thinks he should start moving more to the right to get more in line with the other candidates. :lol:

No one even blinks an eye to this kind of shit. People just accept that these pieces of shit will adopt whatever positions will get them votes.

Rabbi eats it up like candy :lol: It actually would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

True that. The guy wants to force 12 year old girls to get a shot to prevent cervical cancer and stop the spread of STDs. Fierce government intervention there yet it's perfectly okay in the eyes of Perry supporters. They never have a bad word to say about it.

I don't support Perry, but would like to ask you this. When was the last time you read an Obama supporter really say anything bad about Obama? Sure, there has been some grumbling recently such as "he's not liberal enough", but nothing bad about him.

Why should Perry supporters have to be different?

This stuff on the HPV vaccine is the second thing I have heard about Perry that has guaranteed I will not be voting for him. His support for Texas succession (which says to me that he really does not care for this country) was the first.

Immie
 
Yeah, it's just crazy to get hung up on the fact that there's all these fake ass candidates who "used to be" this, and "used to be" that, who can't decide what the fuck they actually stand for because they don't stand for SHIT.

On Face the Nation yesterday, Huntsman was on and was asked by Schieffer if he thinks he should start moving more to the right to get more in line with the other candidates. :lol:

No one even blinks an eye to this kind of shit. People just accept that these pieces of shit will adopt whatever positions will get them votes.

Rabbi eats it up like candy :lol: It actually would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

True that. The guy wants to force 12 year old girls to get a shot to prevent cervical cancer and stop the spread of STDs. Fierce government intervention there yet it's perfectly okay in the eyes of Perry supporters. They never have a bad word to say about it.

I don't support Perry, but would like to ask you this. When was the last time you read an Obama supporter really say anything bad about Obama? Sure, there has been some grumbling recently such as "he's not liberal enough", but nothing bad about him.

Why should Perry supporters have to be different?

This stuff on the HPV vaccine is the second thing I have heard about Perry that has guaranteed I will not be voting for him. His support for Texas succession (which says to me that he really does not care for this country) was the first.

Immie

Glad I could help.
 
True that. The guy wants to force 12 year old girls to get a shot to prevent cervical cancer and stop the spread of STDs. Fierce government intervention there yet it's perfectly okay in the eyes of Perry supporters. They never have a bad word to say about it.

I don't support Perry, but would like to ask you this. When was the last time you read an Obama supporter really say anything bad about Obama? Sure, there has been some grumbling recently such as "he's not liberal enough", but nothing bad about him.

Why should Perry supporters have to be different?

This stuff on the HPV vaccine is the second thing I have heard about Perry that has guaranteed I will not be voting for him. His support for Texas succession (which says to me that he really does not care for this country) was the first.

Immie

Glad I could help.

Actually, you didn't. I had heard about this over the weekend.

Now, why didn't you answer my questions?

Immie
 
I don't support Perry, but would like to ask you this. When was the last time you read an Obama supporter really say anything bad about Obama? Sure, there has been some grumbling recently such as "he's not liberal enough", but nothing bad about him.

Why should Perry supporters have to be different?

This stuff on the HPV vaccine is the second thing I have heard about Perry that has guaranteed I will not be voting for him. His support for Texas succession (which says to me that he really does not care for this country) was the first.

Immie

Glad I could help.

Actually, you didn't. I had heard about this over the weekend.

Now, why didn't you answer my questions?

Immie

I thought they were rhetoric.

You don't hear a lot of liberals criticizing Obama because he is the standard bearer going into the next election. Politically, it's a mortal lock. He will be the nominee of the DNC.

On the GOP side, the issue is far from settled and there are very good people running like John Huntsman and, if you prefer his brand of red party-ism, Ron Paul. The GOP has choices. It's not a mortal lock.
 
Glad I could help.

Actually, you didn't. I had heard about this over the weekend.

Now, why didn't you answer my questions?

Immie

I thought they were rhetoric.

You don't hear a lot of liberals criticizing Obama because he is the standard bearer going into the next election. Politically, it's a mortal lock. He will be the nominee of the DNC.

On the GOP side, the issue is far from settled and there are very good people running like John Huntsman and, if you prefer his brand of red party-ism, Ron Paul. The GOP has choices. It's not a mortal lock.

That really makes no sense at all.

You expect Perry supporters to bad mouth him but you praise Obama supporters for their lack of intellectual honesty?

Immie
 
Barry came in with all the fanfare of a God decending to earth.

He has turned out to be not as advertised.

However, the left and the DNC are stuck with him so why badmouth him? Most will vote for him again.

He is their candidate good, bad or just plain sucky.
 
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Barry came in with all the fanfare of a God decending to earth.

He has turned out to be not as advertised.

However, the left and the DNC are stuck with him so why badmouth him? Most will vote for him again.

He is their candidate good, bad or just plain sucky.

And the same thing applies to those who support Rick Perry. He is their candidate. Why should they be expected to bad mouth him?

Immie
 
Actually, you didn't. I had heard about this over the weekend.

Now, why didn't you answer my questions?

Immie

I thought they were rhetoric.

You don't hear a lot of liberals criticizing Obama because he is the standard bearer going into the next election. Politically, it's a mortal lock. He will be the nominee of the DNC.

On the GOP side, the issue is far from settled and there are very good people running like John Huntsman and, if you prefer his brand of red party-ism, Ron Paul. The GOP has choices. It's not a mortal lock.

That really makes no sense at all.

You expect Perry supporters to bad mouth him but you praise Obama supporters for their lack of intellectual honesty?

Immie
It's party politics.

Obama will be the DNC standard bearer.
Perry is just another flavor of vanilla at this point.

I would frankly like it if we got rid of parties and let everybody run on the issues and their own personal platforms.

Not saying its right, saying it is the way that it is.
 
Because that's the absolute best candidate I can come up with this time around. :thup:


You'll have a lot of company if the SUPER PAC gets it's way:


The new super PAC backing Rick Perry has drawn up plans to spend $55 million as part of an ambitious campaign strategy aimed at blowing away the Texas governor's rivals in early primary states and securing him the Republican nomination by next spring, according to internal committee documents obtained by NBC News.

The documents underscore the central role that such super PACs — or super political action committees unconstrained by any limits on how much they can collect from wealthy donors and corporations — will play in the 2012 presidential election.

They also show that the strategists behind the new Perry super PAC, led by a longtime Perry confidant and backed with infusions of cash from major Perry donors, are preparing to mount a full service political operation — complete with TV advertising, direct mail and social media outreach.


If it realizes its goals, the super PAC — which calls itself "Make Us Great Again" — will likely eclipse the financial operations of Perry's official presidential campaign committee, according to some Republican consultants.

"The super PAC will probably outspend the legal presidential deal," said Scott Reed, a veteran GOP strategist. "Look, these super PACs have changed the way presidential campaigns are run."

The internal documents outlining the group's plans were distributed within the last week to some Perry supporters and campaign consultants; a source with access shared them with NBC News.

Asked for comment, Jason Miller, a spokesman for Make Us Great Again, said in an email: "You're referring to an early planning document that is now outdated. As the dynamics of this primary have changed, so have our targeting and spending." He declined to elaborate.

Ray Sullivan, chief spokesman for the Perry campaign, said in an email: "I am not familiar with Make Us Great Again and am unaware of their budget or intentions."


'Obama storm'
The first splash by Make Us Great Again may come shortly when it is planning to begin phase one of a four-phase strategy — a $5 million advertising buy on Fox News and Iowa TV stations aimed at building the Texas governor's name identification and touting his economic record in Texas, according to one of the documents, a Power Point slide presentation the group has prepared for prospective donors.


One of the prospective new ads, in an apparent attempt to play off the recent spate of bad weather news, depicts storm clouds of "recession, unemployment and debt" that, a narrator pronounces, "Barack Obama has brought" to Washington.
"Rick Perry can make America great again," the narrator continues. "As governor of Texas, Perry created 1 million new jobs, cut taxes and reduced waste — true conservative leadership that works. We've weathered the Obama storm long enough. Rick Perry for president."


The ads, which essentially echo Perry's basic campaign message, are sure to be challenged by the Texas governor's rivals: Critics charge his claim to have created a million new jobs ignores the fact that a substantial number of them are in low-paying service positions and that the Texas unemployment rate last month increased to 8.4 percent — the highest state rate in 24 years (although still below the national average of 9.1 percent).

An extract from internal committee documents from the super PAC backing Rick Perry that were obtained by NBC News.

Still, the scale of Make Us Great Again's plans and the nature of its operations illustrate how super PACs are transforming presidential politics. The super PACs are theoretically independent of the formal presidential campaigns and are barred by law from "coordinating" their spending with them.


But in fact, the Perry super PACs — like similar organizations set up to boost Mitt Romney, Michele Bachmann and President Barack Obama — is being run by close personal and professional associates of the official presidential campaign's operatives: Mike Toomey, the super PAC's co-founder and now one of Austin's foremost lobbyists, is Perry's former chief of staff and shares ownership of a New Hampshire resort island with Dave Carney, the chief strategist for the Perry presidential campaign.

The super PAC also recently hired as its executive director Scott Rials, a veteran Georgia consultant, who recently worked closely with Carney and Perry presidential committee campaign manager Rob Johnson on Newt Gingrich's presidential bid (until all three resigned as part of a mass exodus from the former House speaker's campaign).

Most importantly, the "independent" super PACs — thanks to last year's Supreme Court ruling in the Citizens United case — can collect unlimited amounts from wealthy donors and directly from corporations. This gives them the latitude to potentially spend even more money than the presidential campaigns themselves, which are still constrained by official limits of $2,500 per donor.

It is a point that the Make Us Great Again strategists are emphasizing in courting wealthy donors.

GOP race over by March?


One Perry backer who has been briefed on the group's plans said that Toomey has told associates and prospective donors that "you can't run" a presidential campaign with limits of $2,500 for a donor and $5,000 for a couple; the only way to do so now is with a super PAC.

Asked about the remark, Miller, the Make Us Great Again spokesman, declined to comment.


As if to underscore the point, George "Brint" Ryan, a wealthy Texas accountant and the co-founder with Toomey of Make Us Great Again, has pledged $500,000, according to the Perry supporter. Like some other prospective super PAC donors, Ryan has been a consistent backer of Perry's gubernatorial campaigns — having contributed together with his wife a total of $563,334.

Ryan also has benefited from Perry's administration: Perry appointed him to the University of North Texas board of regents and the Dallas tax services firm Ryan runs was awarded $927,500 in tax rebates from a Texas Enterprise Zone program that Perry created.


The Make Us Great Again strategy, according to the Power Point presentation, is predicated on winning at least two of the first three GOP contests — in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. It notes that in every GOP primary battle since 1980, the winner of two of these three contests has gone on to win the nomination.


An extract from internal committee documents from the super PAC backing Rick Perry that were obtained by NBC News.
"What Does History Teach Us?" reads one slide. "No candidate has ever gone on to secure the nomination without winning in the traditional early states. …We have to win the battle of ideas, organization and momentum in the early states and carry that into March."

Phase two of the strategy calls for spending $20 million on the three major early states (as well as Florida and Nevada), according to another slide of the Power Point presentation. This would be followed by a third phase of the strategy — dubbed "Nomination Push" — during which the group would spend another $20 million on 20 states that form the next wave of contests through March 24. These states, which Make Us Great Again strategists view as decisive, include most key Southern battlegrounds — including Texas, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Virginia — where Perry will be expected to have a major home turf advantage.

The final phase of the strategy — dubbed "Finish" — calls for spending only $10 million after March 25 — a sign that the super PAC architects expect the nomination battle to be essentially over by then.
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So we got liberal Romney, ex-democrat Gore supporter Perry, and crazy lady Bachmann, to choose from in the so-called "top tier"?

This will be the last election I'm registered republican if this stupid fucking party falls for this crap once again.

Did you miss that part that GORE was Pretending to be a conservative when Perry supported him?

lol

Yeah that's a real great explanation. Perry got "tricked" into supporting Gore.

What's the explanation for Perry being a democrat himself when he was in the state legislature?
 
Are conservatives going soft in that they're going to support a business as usual corporatist. Payland's right on this one issue, Perry sells favors to the highest contributor. Now he's got that super PAC of shady donors too. Wonderful.

From the WSJ no less: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304760604576428262897285614.html?mod=opinion_newsreel
Rick Perry's Crony Capitalism Problem
The presidential candidate's signature economic development initiative has raised questions among conservatives.
 
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So we got liberal Romney, ex-democrat Gore supporter Perry, and crazy lady Bachmann, to choose from in the so-called "top tier"?

This will be the last election I'm registered republican if this stupid fucking party falls for this crap once again.

Did you miss that part that GORE was Pretending to be a conservative when Perry supported him?

lol

Yeah that's a real great explanation. Perry got "tricked" into supporting Gore.

What's the explanation for Perry being a democrat himself when he was in the state legislature?

Those ballots are hard to read....lol
 

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