Illegals, Drugs, Smuggling rapidly taking control of our Nation's Southwest border.

[dilloduck]

Dangerous--very very dangerous. Our military got orders to not cross the border even in civies.

 

[Wolfmoon]

The drug cartels are distributing lots of drugs to their own countries people. Many foreigners South of the border are addicts. When they come to America they still are users. Most crime rap sheets of illegal aliens have some kind of drug conviction on them. We are dealing with dangerous people. A lot of border jumpers are running from the law in their own countries. They come here and are repeat criminal offenders. I wonder how many crimes they commit before they're caught, i.e. murders, rapes, robberies, thefts, pedophiles...

Please circulate

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090304/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_guatemala_prison_riot_2

"Guatemalan inmates kill, mutilate teacher"

Mar 3, 11:48 pm ET AP –

In this photo released by Guatemala's Voluntary Firefighters Press Office, riot police detain inmates …

GUATEMALA CITY – Inmates at a Guatemalan juvenile prison killed one of their teachers during a riot and mutilated him. They took three of their teachers hostage to protest the transfer of several of their fellow inmates to another detention center. Then they killed one of the teachers, Winter Vidaurre and the prisoners removed Vidaurre's heart.

 

[Ravi]

You are really obsessed, eh moon-boy?

 

[dilloduck]

You are really obsessed, eh moon-boy?

someone needs to be

 

[Wolfmoon]

The drug cartels control the prisoners in Mexico as well as the Gangs and the Mexican Mafia in prisons across America. They are 10 times worse than the Italian Mafia ever was. Better make that 100 times worse.

Please circulate

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090304/wl_afp/mexicoprisonriot_20090304194206

"At least 20 dead in northern Mexico prison uprising"

Mexican Army soldiers patrol the empty streets following a wave of violence sowed by the drug cartels' …

CIUDAD JUAREZ (AFP) – 20 people were killed during a riot at a prison in the Mexican border town of Ciudad Juarez. The riot took place Juarez's Cereso prison. "So far, we've found 20 people killed by knives and beaten to death," said the source who said "numerous" inmates were injured in the melee. Army troops and federal police officers and dozens of soldiers encircled the building, including several who were placed on the roof of the prison while helicopters conducted flights over the area.

 

[Wolfmoon]

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
Text of Legislation

March 10, 2009

The drug trafficking organizations in Mexico are well organized, heavily armed, and wealthy criminal enterprises, with estimated criminal earnings of more than $25,000,000,000 every year. Whereas it is estimated that Mexican drug trafficking organizations produce 8 metric tons of heroin and 10,000 metric tons of marijuana each year.

 

[Iriemon]

Based on a review of the data, interviews conducted and other information collected, Subcommittee staff finds that:

Congressman Michael McCaul : Home

This a problem. A HUGE problem, and it's being ignored just like social security. Problem is if it's ignored for too long our government will just throw up their hands once it's too big to solve and go, "oh well, it's too late to do anything now," just like they're doing with all the illegal aliens and social security. But hey, when it comes to wasting money, NOBODY can do a better job than our government. This BAIL OUT business is pure bull shit!

I'm disgusted with America, for a bunch of reasons, but government tops the list in bold letters. I'm waiting for another Civil War. I just hope it's in my life time, and I'm able to participate.

Who in America are you hoping to shoot?

 

[Iriemon]

legalize all drugs...put monies from the so called "drug war" into other things...

While your at it why don't you legalize murder too.

Legalization of drugs would provide many benefits, not the least of which would be eliminating the profits of the narco gangs. Also corruption, distribution of impure drugs, elimination of pushers, taxation benefits to fund treatment, decriminilization of tens of millions of Americans, reduction of herds of incarcerted people whose only offense was drug related. Just a few off the top of my head.

Against that the possibility of maybe more drug users.

Seems like a pretty high net gain. Just like when we repealed alcohol prohibition.

What benefit to society do we get from legalizing murder?

 

[Iriemon]

Based on a review of the data, interviews conducted and other information collected, Subcommittee staff finds that:


1. Drug trafficking organizations and human smuggling networks are proliferating and strengthening their control of key corridors along our Nation’s Southwest border.


2. The Mexican drug cartels wield substantial control over the U.S.-Mexican border. Law enforcement on the border agree that very little crosses the respective cartel territories, or “plazas,” along the Southwest border without cartel knowledge, approval, and financial remuneration.


3. These criminal organizations and networks are highly sophisticated and
organized, operating with military style weapons and technology, utilizing
counter surveillance techniques and acting aggressively against both law
enforcement and competitors.


4. Drug trafficking organizations, human smuggling networks and U.S. based gangs are increasingly coordinating with one another to achieve their objectives.


5. Federal, State and local law enforcement report new and ever-increasing levels of ruthlessness and violence associated with these criminal organizations, which are increasingly spilling across the border into the United States and moving into local communities.


6. Each year hundreds of illegal aliens from countries known to harbor terrorists or promote terrorism are routinely encountered and apprehended attempting to enter the U.S. illegally.


7. The existing resources of the U.S. Border Patrol and local law enforcement must continue to be enhanced to counter the cartels and the criminal networks they leverage to circumvent law enforcement.

HOUSE COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY
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Congressman Michael McCaul : Home

Legalize and eliminate profit from the equation. End of gangs.

 

[Iriemon]

legalize all drugs...put monies from the so called "drug war" into other things...

Mexico tried to legalize drugs once. The bill didn't pass.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193616,00.html

The bill says criminal charges will no longer be brought for possession of up to 25 milligrams of heroin, five grams of marijuana — about one-fifth of an ounce, or about four joints — and half a gram of cocaine — about half the standard street-size quantity, which is enough for several lines of the drug.

"No charges will be brought against ... addicts or consumers who are found in possession of any narcotic for personal use," the Senate bill reads. It also lays out allowable quantities for a large array of other drugs, including LSD, MDA, ecstasy — about two pills' worth — and amphetamines.

Some of the amounts are eye-popping: Mexicans would be allowed to possess a kilogram (2.2 pounds) of peyote, the button-sized hallucinogenic cactus used in some native Indian religious ceremonies.



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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194552,00.html

MEXICO CITY — The issue of drug decriminalization split Mexican politics in strange ways on Saturday, after President Vicente Fox refused to sign a bill that would have eliminated criminal penalties for possession of small amounts of drugs.

Possession of marijuana is currently a crime, punishable by 10 to 16 months in prison, unless a suspect can claim he is an addict or it is a first offense involving a small amount. However, few people are currently prosecuted under the law.

Protest organizers described comments by U.S. officials asking Mexico to reconsider the bill as a violation of Mexico's sovereignty.

Legalizing drugs in Mexico wouldn't do a thing to stop the drug gangs which profit from smuggling it into the US.

 

[Iriemon]

I can see you're going to be a lot of fun to talk to.

How many more drugs do you need Amanda, to come into the United States? Would you like your babies to have access to legal drugs? How could you stop children from obtaining them?

Same way you stop them from getting cigarettes and alcohol now.

 

[LaLinda75]

What do you people expect when you put a man into the highest office who has absolutely NO clue?????
As for drugs being in demand here, fyi they are in demand everywhere! And yes, including Mexico and all throughout latin america! What came first? The chicken or the egg??? In other words, who came first? The drug user or the drug???

 

[Iriemon]

At this point, I don't think this is an issue for the Border Patrol. It should be handled by the military.

I definitely agree with you. The sooner we close the borders and build a fence and guard it the better. Then we can work on empyting out the Jails and State and Federal prisons of illegal aliens. Unfortunately, the illegal aliens children are American citizens so, I guess we'll have to put up with them.

It'll take the military to keep these illegal aliens invaders out, since they're like a swarm of locust attacking our Southern border. We may have to call for Civilian Voluntary Militia to help secure the borders and ports.

How much is it going to cost to militarize our border with Mexico?

Is that going to stop the drug trade?

 

[Iriemon]

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
Text of Legislation

March 10, 2009

The drug trafficking organizations in Mexico are well organized, heavily armed, and wealthy criminal enterprises, with estimated criminal earnings of more than $25,000,000,000 every year. Whereas it is estimated that Mexican drug trafficking organizations produce 8 metric tons of heroin and 10,000 metric tons of marijuana each year.

That's what you get when you have a high demand product with a limited supplier. Huge profits.

Eliminate the artificial barrier to supply, eliminate the artificial profit of the illicit supplier.

It worked with the Chicago gangs of the 30s and will work with the gangs of the 00s.

 

[editec]

I heard recently that the Mexican cartels make 80% of the dough off hemp.

Saw a TV progrm recently telling us how they're abducting meixcan nations bringing them into remote places in our nation parks and making them hemp farming slaves.

there is so much money in hemp because it is illegal, that these monsters are better armed than the cops.

You want to take away their money?

Simply enough done: Completely legalize hemp. Don't legalize it, don't tax it, don't pay any more attention to it than we do any other herb.

The market for it evaporates instantly as millions of American stoners grow their own.

END of problem.

Or...continue persecuting your fellow Americans and making these Mexican career criminals billionaires who are in the process (thanks to all the money they're making) of destroying Mexico and the American SW.

It's America's call, folks. A stoke of a pen ends this problem.

This mess was created entirely by our senseless war on AMERICAN STONERS, and we all know that was POLITICALLY MOTIVATED THANKS TO Nixon, who refued to go along with his own panel of drug experts who told him help was harmless.

The alcohol prohibition lasted 13 years.

It was a total failure that gave American organized crime far more power and influence than it had previous to alcohol prohibition.

The prohibition on hemp is going on 76 years.



It continues to fail because it is a crime against human nature.

Incidently, the BIGGEST drug problem we have right now is not hemp, or coke, or heroin, or crank ... it's pharmacueticals.

We create these problems by attempting to control the population.

Drug laws are really power and control systems.

Our masters use thse laws because they KNOW people will use drugs, ergo they know they can use the fear of idiots to allow them great liberty to take away everybody liberties.

We are reaping what we have sown.

 

[catzmeow]

Legalize and eliminate profit from the equation. End of gangs.

Naive and incorrect. Most street gangs in the U.S. aren't heavily involved in drug trafficking anyway, nor do they exist for that purpose.

 

[catzmeow]

Incidently, the BIGGEST drug problem we have right now is not hemp, or coke, or heroin, or crank ... it's pharmacueticals.

Actually, it largely depends upon where you are talking about, regionally. The biggest drug problem in the midwest and northwest is meth. And, a lot of it comes straight from Mexico. The odds that methamphetamine could/should be legalized are slim to none.

If you are talking about the inner city, crack continues to play a huge role there. And again, it is unlikely to be legalized anytime soon.

Regions of Mexico like Sinaloa are well-known for their production of heroin.

Legalizing marijuana is not going to impact these problems.

 

[catzmeow]

The (mostly nonexistent) Gangs, Drugs and Violence Connection

 

[Wolfmoon]

The government can't even control the borders how will they control legal drugs and the people who use them. Legalizing drugs will only weaken America to hostile take over by rouge nations. Perhaps that's why some do want to legalize drugs.

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In 2008 report by the Department of Justice indicated that Mexican drug trafficking organizations now operate in 195 cities in the United States.
Text of Legislation

 

[Iriemon]

Legalize and eliminate profit from the equation. End of gangs.

Naive and incorrect. Most street gangs in the U.S. aren't heavily involved in drug trafficking anyway, nor do they exist for that purpose.

I was admittedly overly concise. But the gangs I was referencied in my statement are the Mexican border smuggling gangs, and I would be surprised to learn that they are not heavily involved in trafficking. Maybe you can enlighten if you contend otherwise.