CDZ Illegal Immigration - are we a nation of laws or not?

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    There was a time, not long ago, when Democrats claimed they are for strong border security and immigration enforcement. After all, Sens. Charles Schumer (N.Y.) and Barack Obama (Ill.) and a number of other Democrats voted for the Secure Fence Act in 2006. In fact, many complained the legislation wasn’t enough to properly secure the border with Mexico.

    Not anymore. Now they want to decriminalize the deliberate act of breaking our immigration laws by sneaking this country and avoiding the legal points of entry OR not showing up for their court hearing or leaving the US when legally ordered to do so. Hence the question: why do people (primarily democrats) willfully choose to flagrantly ignore those laws?

    During the first Democratic debate in Miami, candidates who were asked directly if entering the United States without permission should be decriminalized, answered yes.
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    Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J) has taken things further and vowed — if elected — to essentially eliminate any kind of border detention through an executive order. His campaign released an 11-page policy document explaining the details.

    Guys - this is a de facto open borders policy. Give 'em free health care, education, driver's license, some places even want to let them vote. They get a court date to state their case for why they should be allowed to stay, and the court rules one way or another. If it's NO, the Dems want to let them stay anyway, and give 'em a pathway to citizenship. Well hell, why bother to have any immigration laws or enforcement in the 1st place then. And it ain't just the good people who would get to stay, but a lot of bad people too. Rapists, murderers, terrorists, drug dealers, human traffickers, they get to stay too.

    So, do we live in a nation of laws, or only those laws that we support? Look, if it's a bad law then let's change it according to the way things like that are supposed to be done. What I see right now is a Democratic Party that loves the laws and judges that agrees with their policies, but ignore or disobey the ones they don't.
     
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    in reply to the Question , it sure doesn't look like it eh Task ??
     
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    The Democrats have been terminally bipolar since President Trump won. And each of them flew over the cuckoo's nest. Several times. :lmao:
     
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    Changing laws require taking a stance that you cannot lie about later. Handing the keys to the executive branch allows congress to blame the president and utterly ignore their duty.

    The legislative branch has been doing this for decades. The founders were wrong, legislators do not jealously guard their power and this has created a serious imbalance in the checks and balances of our system.
     
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    You know what's really bad? It's the fact that the 1st 2 things a politician or party thinks about when it comes to immigration or any other issue is the impact on myself and my party if I say or do something to support or oppose any kind of policy change or idea. What will the people in my district think, or my party's political base? It's like, who gets the most benefit out of this policy, them or us? Who loses the most, politically. Whether or not the idea makes sense and is in the best interests of the country seems to come a distant 3rd, if that high. I dunno, maybe it's always been that way but we didn't realize it. So many people around the country want our pols in Washington to work on our problems constructively, and if you can't fix it then at least do something to improve the situation. But that requires cooperation between the 2 parties, and there's precious little of that these days.
     
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    The Democrats in Congress has changed the Congress into a multi-headed mad dog scenario that is so not in keeping with the founders' intentions.
     
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    We are first and foremost a nation of principals, and when laws violate those principals the people and their representatives have a responsibility to stop the enforcement of those laws.
     
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    The ACA is a law.
     
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    you mean the principle pf obeying common sense/legal/etc laws--yes?
     

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