Illegal guns flooding into Britain is increasing and can't be stopped...statement from Police

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Yep.....gun control in Britain works...if your goal is to keep law abiding people from owning guns....criminals? Not so much.....and the British police are admitting this......more guns are flooding into Britain....because criminals who sell drugs need them to hold their territory...

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police
and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.


Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.


“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

And as I keep pointing out to the anti gunners here.....

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.
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Statistics released earlier in 2018 had shown gun crime up 11% in 2017/18, and in the same period, the Metropolitan police said discharges of lethal barrelled firearms rose by 23%. Compared to 2015/16, there has been a 67% increase in the capital alone.

 
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What is seen as a massive increase in guns for England over the last year is just short of the daily sales of guns here in the US. Their entire frightful yearly increase is seen as a slow day compared to us. We should do what they are doing.
 
What is seen as a massive increase in guns for England over the last year is just short of the daily sales of guns here in the US. Their entire frightful yearly increase is seen as a slow day compared to us. We should do what they are doing.

If their policies were working why would there be an influx of illegal guns?
 
What is seen as a massive increase in guns for England over the last year is just short of the daily sales of guns here in the US. Their entire frightful yearly increase is seen as a slow day compared to us. We should do what they are doing.

If their policies were working why would there be an influx of illegal guns?

Considering the total amount of guns distributed, their huge influx is barely a rounding error for to us
 
What is seen as a massive increase in guns for England over the last year is just short of the daily sales of guns here in the US. Their entire frightful yearly increase is seen as a slow day compared to us. We should do what they are doing.

If their policies were working why would there be an influx of illegal guns?

Considering the total amount of guns distributed, their huge influx is barely a rounding error for to us

You didn't answer my question.
 
PLUS this is an 'island' that can't control its influx of guns .
 
What is seen as a massive increase in guns for England over the last year is just short of the daily sales of guns here in the US. Their entire frightful yearly increase is seen as a slow day compared to us. We should do what they are doing.

If their policies were working why would there be an influx of illegal guns?

Considering the total amount of guns distributed, their huge influx is barely a rounding error for to us

You didn't answer my question.

I'll type slowly so you can understand. Per capita, they distribute so few guns, (legal and illegal, including their recent increase), till that increase wouldn't be noticeable compared to our per capita gun distribution.
 
still , i don't think that YOU answered the question put forth by 'DTAZ' Bulldog .
 
PLUS this is an 'island' that can't control its influx of guns .

What does being an island have to do with controlling incoming guns? If anything, that would make incoming guns easier to control.
 
PLUS this is an 'island' that can't control its influx of guns .

What does being an island have to do with controlling incoming guns? If anything, that would make incoming guns easier to control.


That is the point...they are an island, the cities with the most surveillance cameras, and a country with the most extreme gun control...and they can't stop their criminals from getting illegal guns.......

Gun control doesn't work...for criminals.

That you think their numbers are low so that means their gun control works...is silly.....as their own police are showing, guns are increasing in number.....that means they are going up, not down...that means if the criminals want more guns, they will get more guns....
 
PLUS this is an 'island' that can't control its influx of guns .

What does being an island have to do with controlling incoming guns? If anything, that would make incoming guns easier to control.


That is the point...they are an island, the cities with the most surveillance cameras, and a country with the most extreme gun control...and they can't stop their criminals from getting illegal guns.......

Gun control doesn't work...for criminals.

That you think their numbers are low so that means their gun control works...is silly.....as their own police are showing, guns are increasing in number.....that means they are going up, not down...that means if the criminals want more guns, they will get more guns....
--------------------------- Makarovs are nice and i can't imagine that they don't flow into 'england' from Russia .
 
What is seen as a massive increase in guns for England over the last year is just short of the daily sales of guns here in the US. Their entire frightful yearly increase is seen as a slow day compared to us. We should do what they are doing.

If their policies were working why would there be an influx of illegal guns?

Handguns and semi/full aytomatic rifles were banned in 1996 to prevent mass shootings after Dunblane and Hungerford. Since then there has been 1 mass shooting in the UK, but there have been 314 in the USA in 2018 alone. List of mass shootings in the United States in 2018 - Wikipedia

Our policies are working fine, thanks.
 
The Brits couldn't stop arms entering Ireland when they were at war there. Did they think they could stop arms entering England in peacetime?
 
What is seen as a massive increase in guns for England over the last year is just short of the daily sales of guns here in the US. Their entire frightful yearly increase is seen as a slow day compared to us. We should do what they are doing.

If their policies were working why would there be an influx of illegal guns?

Handguns and semi/full aytomatic rifles were banned in 1996 to prevent mass shootings after Dunblane and Hungerford. Since then there has been 1 mass shooting in the UK, but there have been 314 in the USA in 2018 alone. List of mass shootings in the United States in 2018 - Wikipedia

Our policies are working fine, thanks.


There have not been 314....that is a lie from anti gun extremists who include gang shootings with mass public shootings.....

And, the U.K. averaged one mass shooting every 10 years, over the last few years the police there have managed to stop 4...by pure luck......that is an escalation in your country, where you banned guns....

And tell us...if illegal guns are flooding into your country, what law, exactly, is keeping criminals from using those illegal guns in mass public shootings? Care to explain that?

The only thing that stopped these shooters from becoming mass public shooters? Dumb Luck...since your gun control laws failed to stop them...

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

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The document said the boy would “lay low” in Catterick before murdering his ex-girlfriend’s parents and stealing her father’s guns, the court heard.

“I’ll make some explosives then well find a way back to Northallerton and well begin our assault on that f****** school,” it continued

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"This was no teenage fantasy; it was real,” he added. “They intended a re-enactment of the Columbine High School Massacre although fortunately, in the result, they were stopped before their plans were put into action.”

.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'


15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.

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What is seen as a massive increase in guns for England over the last year is just short of the daily sales of guns here in the US. Their entire frightful yearly increase is seen as a slow day compared to us. We should do what they are doing.

If their policies were working why would there be an influx of illegal guns?

Handguns and semi/full aytomatic rifles were banned in 1996 to prevent mass shootings after Dunblane and Hungerford. Since then there has been 1 mass shooting in the UK, but there have been 314 in the USA in 2018 alone. List of mass shootings in the United States in 2018 - Wikipedia

Our policies are working fine, thanks.


There have not been 314....that is a lie from anti gun extremists who include gang shootings with mass public shootings.....

And, the U.K. averaged one mass shooting every 10 years, over the last few years the police there have managed to stop 4...by pure luck......that is an escalation in your country, where you banned guns....

And tell us...if illegal guns are flooding into your country, what law, exactly, is keeping criminals from using those illegal guns in mass public shootings? Care to explain that?

The only thing that stopped these shooters from becoming mass public shooters? Dumb Luck...since your gun control laws failed to stop them...

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

---------------------------

The document said the boy would “lay low” in Catterick before murdering his ex-girlfriend’s parents and stealing her father’s guns, the court heard.

“I’ll make some explosives then well find a way back to Northallerton and well begin our assault on that f****** school,” it continued

----

"This was no teenage fantasy; it was real,” he added. “They intended a re-enactment of the Columbine High School Massacre although fortunately, in the result, they were stopped before their plans were put into action.”

.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'


15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.

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