Illegal aliens get obamacare

[LilOlLady]

ILLEGAL ALIENS GET OBAMACARE

THE FACTS: The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, and they could also buy into a new government-run insurance plan if Congress creates one. But unlike legal residents, they wouldn't get federal subsidies to help them. The bill's exact language: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully in the United States." Health care legislation in the Senate is also being crafted to exclude illegal immigrants from coverage.

When the legislation's "Health Insurance Exchange" offering private and government-run plans would begin operation in 2013, CRS concluded would be no restrictions on illegal aliens buying government-offered insurance: "H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens participating in the Exchange -- whether the noncitizens are legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently

Now, there are reasonable arguments for and against allowing illegal immigrants to buy government-sponsored insurance. On one hand, they'd be covering much of the cost of their routine medical care and perhaps reducing unnecessary use of emergency rooms; on the other, if illegal immigrants require more expensive care than U.S. citizens and legal immigrants, Americans who play by the rules would end up subsidizing those who didn't. (Someone will be sure to dub this the "illegal immigrant tax," and depending on how the numbers work out, that might even be correct.)

If Democrats wanted to eliminate allegations such as Joe Wilson's, they could simply rewrite H.R. 3200 to say: No illegal immigrant can shop at the Health Insurance Exchange

 

[SW2SILVER]

Perhaps, we should define what an "illegal alien" Is, shan't we, LilOlady? It seems, Obama wants to make them less Illegal, more "immigrant". It's admirable that he wants to reform this (health care) mess , but it should not be just another freebie for illegals. It also seems he wants to reform the immigration system, too. I don't want to hear how they aren't exploiting the system, getting food stamps or who knows what else. They abusing the entire system, and there is no getting around it.

 

[Polk]

THE FACTS: The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, and they could also buy into a new government-run insurance plan if Congress creates one. But unlike legal residents, they wouldn't get federal subsidies to help them. The bill's exact language: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully in the United States." Health care legislation in the Senate is also being crafted to exclude illegal immigrants from coverage.

Uhh... the entire point of "illegal aliens would benefit" arguments is that they'd be receiving taxpayer dollars. If they're buying insurance with their own money, what's the issue here? To call the ability to buy insurance as "insuring illegal immigrants" is the same as saying the plan buys aspirin for illegal immigrants, since it doesn't ban them from buying it.

Now, there are reasonable arguments for and against allowing illegal immigrants to buy government-sponsored insurance. On one hand, they'd be covering much of the cost of their routine medical care and perhaps reducing unnecessary use of emergency rooms; on the other, if illegal immigrants require more expensive care than U.S. citizens and legal immigrants, Americans who play by the rules would end up subsidizing those who didn't. (Someone will be sure to dub this the "illegal immigrant tax," and depending on how the numbers work out, that might even be correct.)

That's a moronic argument. It's like saying we provide health insurance for illegal immigrants now, because no law exists which bans them from purchasing it.

 

[rdean]

Immigrants rarely go to an emergency room. They don't get "regular checkups". Usually, if they become really ill, they just die or they enter the hospital at an enormous cost.

So, a parent brings a child into an emergency room who has been in an accident.

Does the Republican want to tell the parent, "Sorry, no one here will help you". By law, they can't. But do they want to? Interesting question.

 

[Polk]

So, a parent brings a child into an emergency room who has been in an accident.

Does the Republican want to tell the parent, "Sorry, no one here will help you". By law, they can't. But do they want to? Interesting question.

They've made it pretty clear the answer to that question is yes.

 

[Angelhair]

Obama says that no illegals will be included in the health reform. So what will he do? He will have them legalized and then include them. You read it here.

 

[Big Black Dog]

Illegal aliens receiving medical care under any plan would not be a problem if we simply sent them back to Mexico as we should be doing. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

 

[SmarterThanHick]

ignoring the gross misrepresentations and ignorance of what the bill actually states...

why is it a problem if an illegal immigrant pays into the public option? I mean, there are a lot of reasons you may not like illegal immigrants... but if they're paying their own way and legitimately receiving services that they legitimately paid for, why does that degrade the service?

I mean, if somehow it fell to the taxpayers to front the healthcare costs of illegal immigrants (which, btw, we're actually already doing now), I can see why you'd be upset. Let's translate this to something simpler. Let's say an illegal immigrant wanted an apple. Why do you care if they spend their own money to buy it?

 

[Angelhair]

Did I not tell you? I said this in August. I rest my case.[/


(Lou Dobbs Tonight
Friday, September 18, 2009)

* President Obama said illegal immigrants won't be
covered under his health care plan -- so the president wants to
grant millions of illegal immigrants amnesty. The move is seen
by many as a backdoor attempt to bring health care to those
currently in the country illegally.

 

[Fatality]

liberals want Americans to pick up the dime for everyone on the face of the planet, they dont even have to come here for it.

 

[Centrism'sVoice]

Illegal aliens receiving medical care under any plan would not be a problem if we simply sent them back to Mexico as we should be doing. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

Why has it never occurred to contards that Mexico can very easily say, "No, thanks; we're not taking them back"?

 

[SmarterThanHick]

liberals want Americans to pick up the dime for everyone on the face of the planet, they dont even have to come here for it.

false.

in fact I haven't seen a single person since I've gotten here, liberal or otherwise, state that they believe American taxpayers should pay the health bills of illegal immigrants.

so again I say: false.

 

[Angelhair]

'Why has it never occurred to contards that Mexico can very easily say, "No, thanks; we're not taking them back"?'

Say what?? They can say it; but it won't mean a thing as they don't have a choice but to take them back. Mexico HAS to take them back - they are MEXICAN NATIONALS!

 

[Coyote]

ILLEGAL ALIENS GET OBAMACARE

THE FACTS: The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, and they could also buy into a new government-run insurance plan if Congress creates one. But unlike legal residents, they wouldn't get federal subsidies to help them. The bill's exact language: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully in the United States." Health care legislation in the Senate is also being crafted to exclude illegal immigrants from coverage.

When the legislation's "Health Insurance Exchange" offering private and government-run plans would begin operation in 2013, CRS concluded would be no restrictions on illegal aliens buying government-offered insurance: "H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens participating in the Exchange -- whether the noncitizens are legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently

Now, there are reasonable arguments for and against allowing illegal immigrants to buy government-sponsored insurance. On one hand, they'd be covering much of the cost of their routine medical care and perhaps reducing unnecessary use of emergency rooms; on the other, if illegal immigrants require more expensive care than U.S. citizens and legal immigrants, Americans who play by the rules would end up subsidizing those who didn't. (Someone will be sure to dub this the "illegal immigrant tax," and depending on how the numbers work out, that might even be correct.)

If Democrats wanted to eliminate allegations such as Joe Wilson's, they could simply rewrite H.R. 3200 to say: No illegal immigrant can shop at the Health Insurance Exchange

If they pay for it - who the hell cares?

And why would illegal's require more expensive health care than legals and Americans?

That make absolutely no sense.

 

[Coyote]

Immigrants rarely go to an emergency room. They don't get "regular checkups". Usually, if they become really ill, they just die or they enter the hospital at an enormous cost.

So, a parent brings a child into an emergency room who has been in an accident.

Does the Republican want to tell the parent, "Sorry, no one here will help you". By law, they can't. But do they want to? Interesting question.

That's an interesting question.


...and I hear no answers....

 

[Angelhair]

Immigrants rarely go to an emergency room. They don't get "regular checkups". Usually, if they become really ill, they just die or they enter the hospital at an enormous cost.

Are you kidding?? ERs are full of people who one would consider illegals. Have YOU ever been to the ER?? Where they stand there and tell the clerk - 'no insurance cause no papers'.

So, a parent brings a child into an emergency room who has been in an accident.
Does the Republican want to tell the parent, "Sorry, no one here will help you". By law, they can't. But do they want to? Interesting question.

So what you are saying is that ONLY republicans work in the ER???? And yes, by law they can't but by law now YOU want them to have ALL the perks that people who follow the rules and the law have?
STOP THE MADNESS!

 

[Big Black Dog]

Obama claims that no illegal alien will get the free government controlled health care that he is trying to push through Congress. What he isn't telling you is that he intends to give a blanket amnesty to all illegals so that statement will become true.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

sorry, when did anyone make the public option FREE?!