Ike's GOP

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    The United States of America was founded on Liberal principals...

    I continue to hear over and over the argument from the right that today's Liberals have changed; they no longer share the Liberal ideals of our founding fathers...WRONG...

    And...I continue to hear over and over the argument from the right that the Republican Party HASN'T changed..WRONG...AGAIN...

    Today's GOP was hijacked by the far right AND the far left.

    The neoconservatives came from the far LEFT...yet they feel right at home with the far right theocrats...

    There's an old saying..."Robins and Blue Jays don't nest together"

    HERE is what the Republican Party USED to stand for...


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    Excerpt from:
    Republican Party Platform of 1956
    August 20, 1956


    Our Government was created by the people for all the people, and it must serve no less a purpose.

    The Republican Party was formed 100 years ago to preserve the Nation's devotion to these ideals.

    On its Centennial, the Republican Party again calls to the minds of all Americans the great truth first spoken by Abraham Lincoln: "The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."

    Our great President Dwight D. Eisenhower has counseled us further: "In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative.

    "We shall ever build anew, that our children and their children, without distinction because of race, creed or color, may know the blessings of our free land.

    We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs-expansion of social security-broadened coverage in unemployment insurance - improved housing- and better health protection for all our people. We are determined that our government remain warmly responsive to the urgent social and economic problems of our people.

    Labor
    "Under the Republican Administration, as our country has prospered, so have its people. This is as it should be, for as President Eisenhower said: "Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country...they are America."

    The Eisenhower Administration has brought to our people the highest employment, the highest wages and the highest standard of living ever enjoyed by any nation. Today there are nearly 67 million men and women at work in the United States, 4 million more than in 1952. Wages have increased substantially over the past 3 1/2 years; but, more important, the American wage earner today can buy more than ever before for himself and his family because his pay check has not been eaten away by rising taxes and soaring prices.

    The record of performance of the Republican Administration on behalf of our working men and women goes still further. The Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers. Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million. The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers. There have been increased workmen's compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees.

    In addition, the Eisenhower Administration has enforced more vigorously and effectively than ever before, the laws which protect the working standards of our people.

    Workers have benefited by the progress which has been made in carrying out the programs and principles set forth in the 1952 Republican platform. All workers have gained and unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 millions.

    Furthermore, the process of free collective bargaining has been strengthened by the insistence of this Administration that labor and management settle their differences at the bargaining table without the intervention of the Government. This policy has brought to our country an unprecedented period of labor-management peace and understanding...

    Republican action created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare as the first new Federal department in 40 years, to raise the continuing consideration of these problems for the first time to the highest council of Government, the President's Cabinet.... We have supported the distribution of free vaccine to protect millions of children against dreaded polio.

    Republican leadership has enlarged Federal assistance for construction of hospitals, emphasizing low-cost care of chronic diseases and the special problems of older persons, and increased Federal aid for medical care of the needy.

    We have asked the largest increase in research funds ever sought in one year to intensify attacks on cancer, mental illness, heart disease and other dread diseases."

    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838


    Equality, rightly understood as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences; wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.
    Barry Goldwater (R) Late Senator & Father of the Conservative movement
     
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    It is clearly NOT our fathers' Republican OR Democratic parties, folks.

    You are aware, aren't you that Ike and NiXXon both believed that we needed (just as one example) a universal health care, system, right?

    Doesn't sound like the Republican Party we have today.
     
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    The United States was formed by wealthy idealists who didn't want to pay their taxes.

    The left is hardly liberal. Leftists try to impose their standard on everyone else every bit as much as anyone on the right does. I see VERY few on the left that can even define "liberal," much less be one.

    You are incorrect about the GOP. The GOP has moved left. THAT is what's wrong with the GOP. Neocons and RINOs have moved left while leaving true conservatives out on the right. They were always there. They just stand out more since they've been left out on a limb. Claiming anyone moved right is merely subterfuge and rhetoric trying to convince others the left isn't moving left.

    I was raised in a Democrat family by Democrats who were considered liberals. Now, people like you call us rightwingers. It isn't OUR values that have changed. They're still the same. People like you just pulled the rug out from under our feet on your leftward trip.
     
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    Nice speech Gunny, too bad the 1956 GOP Party Platform proves you are off a little...180 degrees...

    One consistent characteristic of the dogmatic right wing mind... everyone else is the "OTHER" ...neocon, RINO, etc...
     
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    Well Gunny, just keep talking like that. Yes, we would like Senators Snow, Collins, and McCain on the Dem side of the aisle.

    And I am sure that you think that it is such an improvement to have an obese drugged out radio jock as the chief spokesman and stratigest for your party. Much better than some worn out old General turned politician such as Eisenhower. You Rushpublicans are amazing. And an incredible boon for the Democratic Party.
     
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    Rocks, Gunny's right. Your ilk are not liberals either. Liberals are for freedom for all, well, true liberals. Liberals are also for the dream of peace, but not the fantasy of peace by force the left has. There are so many other points ...

    Just as true conservatives just want the government out of their lives and economic stability, but many who claim them now want to push all sorts of laws on people.

    Republicans and Democrats use to follow these ideals to some extent, but now, they both suck serious ass.
     
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    Why do you think Ike was an ideological Republican? I find nothing to support this contention. I bring this up because you are discussing what the ideology of the party is or should be.

    Bringing up what the leader of the party thought over 50 years ago, when that leader couldn't even decide whether he was a Dem or a Repub, hardly seems relevant. Don't bother saying this was "the party platform" not what Ike thought. That would beyond naive if you were to make that argument.

    There has, for the last 60 years at least been an internal war in the Repub party between the so called "Rockefeller" Repubs and the more conservative wing of the Repubs. A snapshot of where that war was at any moment isn't too useful to describe where the Repubs should be.
     
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    And for most of those 60 years, William F. Buckley Jr fought a losing battle. He told his son Christopher: “You know, I’ve spent my entire life time separating the Right from the kooks.”

    Well, it is not naive to say the "Party" platform reflects more than Ike's views...actually, it would be naive to make that claim...

    The POINT of my thread is that the GOP has moved to the far right since Eisenhower; a very popular two term president ...

    Many Goldwater conservatives have been the most critical of the party's far right changes ... John Dean makes a strong case that authoritarians have taken over the party.

    IMO, the GOP is right were they belong today... out of power and busy "separating the Right from the kooks."

    I could vote for an Eisenhower Republican, but not for any of the current KOOKS like Sarah "empty vessel" Palin...
     
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    You look very foolish claiming that the incumbent and popular president doesn't shape and inform almost every position of the party's platform in the year he is running for re-election. But, I guess you are happy with that.

    Keep quoting miscreants like John Dean.

    I have the feeling that we would never be happy voting for the same people for president. There are at least 55 million people who think like I do (probably more like 58 or 59 counting the 3+ million that stayed home this past election who voted in the 2004 election).

    At any rate, the Repubs are just as hopelessly lost and irretrievably broken as the Dems were in 2002. We see how that worked out, right?
     
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    Hey, have it your way...the 100 year old GOP was controlled by someone that just joined the party 4 years earlier...I guess you are happy with that.

    John Dean is a vicious or depraved person, a villain? WOW... just because he told the truth? What does that make Robert Altemeyer who has done the most extensive research on authoritarianism in history?

    IF the GOP runs Sarah "empty vessel" Palin in 2012...I can tell you how THAT will work out.
     

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