If you really want to help small business

Get your reps to approve this:

Democrats want to push tax cuts through the Senate for companies that hire new workers, give raises or buy major new equipment this year.

I would so give raises and buy more equipment if this passes.

But they also want to stop the Bush tax cuts for the small businesses, those who make over $250,000 a year. These tax cuts are necessary for long plan growth of their small businesses.

If Obama wants to end the tax cuts for those making over $250.000 a year, he should exempt small business owners first. They are the backbone of the country.
 
I am SO tired of this tax cut for person or group X while person or group Y harbors more of the burden thing.. this posturing and pandering is why we got in trouble in the first place

Yes.. it sounds good, but it basically comes down to the government picking winners and losers in all aspects of the game.. and that is not the job of government

I am SO tired of this lets give tax cuts across the board and hope some trickles down as jobs

How about you earn a tax cut AFTER you have created jobs?

And why would you want to spend tens of thousands of dollars for miniscule tax breaks when the economy is uncertain? If you dont know what your business is going to be like because of the government action, why on earth would you start spending money to hire for a one year tax cut at a fraction of the price?

This is great for people who are already hiring. No doubt about that. But it's not going to spur more hiring.

If you don't want a jobs creation tax break, don't take it

Why should we give you tax breaks that are sold as job creation tools whether you create jobs or not?
 
Why doesn't everyone just pay the same percentage in taxes ... companies and individuals? Oh that's right ... gotta keep it complicated so politicians can run on issues like this.

I'd be on board with that in a heartbeat on one condition... the same rate applies to capital gains too.

Completely agreed... treat all income as income, exactly the same...

There are positives and negatives with equal treatment..
 
I am SO tired of this lets give tax cuts across the board and hope some trickles down as jobs

How about you earn a tax cut AFTER you have created jobs?

And why would you want to spend tens of thousands of dollars for miniscule tax breaks when the economy is uncertain? If you dont know what your business is going to be like because of the government action, why on earth would you start spending money to hire for a one year tax cut at a fraction of the price?

This is great for people who are already hiring. No doubt about that. But it's not going to spur more hiring.

If you don't want a jobs creation tax break, don't take it

Why should we give you tax breaks that are sold as job creation tools whether you create jobs or not?

No, we dont want anyone to have temporary targeted bribes with our money. Our taking it will not affect that.
"You" are not giving "us" anything.
 
Get your reps to approve this:

Democrats want to push tax cuts through the Senate for companies that hire new workers, give raises or buy major new equipment this year.

I would so give raises and buy more equipment if this passes.

I don't need any new equipment or any new employees.

Bribing people to hire employees they don't need isn't going to help the bottom line of any business because the cost of the employee will surely be more than any tax credit you'll receive.

Ditto for buying equipment you don't need.
So if you don't want to grow your business, that is your choice. At least we'll keep paying for your toilet paper!
 
Why doesn't everyone just pay the same percentage in taxes ... companies and individuals? Oh that's right ... gotta keep it complicated so politicians can run on issues like this.

I'd be on board with that in a heartbeat on one condition... the same rate applies to capital gains too.

Completely agreed... treat all income as income, exactly the same...

There are positives and negatives with equal treatment..

What is the positive of punishing investment income? Sounds like another run at "fairness". Until we eliminate this kind of language from teh debate we will never have a decent tax policy. Tax policy needs to be first and foremost about provding sufficient revenue to the gov't for its legitimate operations. It should not be about social engineering, political slogans, or--gd forbid--"fairness".
 
Why doesn't everyone just pay the same percentage in taxes ... companies and individuals? Oh that's right ... gotta keep it complicated so politicians can run on issues like this.
Why can't businesses right off all of there purchases when they make them instead of depreciating them?

So much hypocrisy from the cons, delicious.

So please explain why this is the republicans fault. Was it republicans that changed the amount of business equipment that could be written off?
 
I'd be on board with that in a heartbeat on one condition... the same rate applies to capital gains too.

Completely agreed... treat all income as income, exactly the same...

There are positives and negatives with equal treatment..

What is the positive of punishing investment income? Sounds like another run at "fairness". Until we eliminate this kind of language from teh debate we will never have a decent tax policy. Tax policy needs to be first and foremost about provding sufficient revenue to the gov't for its legitimate operations. It should not be about social engineering, political slogans, or--gd forbid--"fairness".

No.. it is not about fairness... it is about equality in treatment.. and there are positives and negatives that come with it

Yes... sufficient revenue and cutting spending to get to reasonable levels.. very important.... but never lose sight of equality in treatment
 
Why doesn't everyone just pay the same percentage in taxes ... companies and individuals? Oh that's right ... gotta keep it complicated so politicians can run on issues like this.
Why can't businesses right off all of there purchases when they make them instead of depreciating them?

So much hypocrisy from the cons, delicious.

So please explain why this is the republicans fault. Was it republicans that changed the amount of business equipment that could be written off?

They are about to.

I didn't give Dubya kudos for much, but I do give him kudos for pushing for raising the amount a business could right off for equipment purchases.
 
Completely agreed... treat all income as income, exactly the same...

There are positives and negatives with equal treatment..

What is the positive of punishing investment income? Sounds like another run at "fairness". Until we eliminate this kind of language from teh debate we will never have a decent tax policy. Tax policy needs to be first and foremost about provding sufficient revenue to the gov't for its legitimate operations. It should not be about social engineering, political slogans, or--gd forbid--"fairness".

No.. it is not about fairness... it is about equality in treatment.. and there are positives and negatives that come with it

Yes... sufficient revenue and cutting spending to get to reasonable levels.. very important.... but never lose sight of equality in treatment

Sorry. "Equality in treatment" sounds like "fairness". Can you explain the difference?
 
I'd be on board with that in a heartbeat on one condition... the same rate applies to capital gains too.

Completely agreed... treat all income as income, exactly the same...

There are positives and negatives with equal treatment..

What is the positive of punishing investment income? Sounds like another run at "fairness". Until we eliminate this kind of language from teh debate we will never have a decent tax policy. Tax policy needs to be first and foremost about provding sufficient revenue to the gov't for its legitimate operations. It should not be about social engineering, political slogans, or--gd forbid--"fairness".

It's not punishment. It's the same for everyone across the board.
 
One thing small businesses need is better finance plans when borrowing money. The banks are either saying no, or loading the fees up on loans to make as much money that is legally possible.

Why don't Liberals just ask small business what they want and need, instead of pretending ?


Oh that's right.


You wouldn't want to hear the answer.
 
Completely agreed... treat all income as income, exactly the same...

There are positives and negatives with equal treatment..

What is the positive of punishing investment income? Sounds like another run at "fairness". Until we eliminate this kind of language from teh debate we will never have a decent tax policy. Tax policy needs to be first and foremost about provding sufficient revenue to the gov't for its legitimate operations. It should not be about social engineering, political slogans, or--gd forbid--"fairness".

It's not punishment. It's the same for everyone across the board.
Very true and I agree, all income should be taxed equally. At the same time, the progressive tax system does tax all income equally. What is not taxed equally is capital gains.

But this will NEVER happen because the rich and their supporters don't want it to happen.
 
One thing small businesses need is better finance plans when borrowing money. The banks are either saying no, or loading the fees up on loans to make as much money that is legally possible.

Why don't Liberals just ask small business what they want and need, instead of pretending ?


Oh that's right.


You wouldn't want to hear the answer.
Ours wants to be able to write off any equipment needed in the year that it is purchased.
 
And why would you want to spend tens of thousands of dollars for miniscule tax breaks when the economy is uncertain? If you dont know what your business is going to be like because of the government action, why on earth would you start spending money to hire for a one year tax cut at a fraction of the price?

This is great for people who are already hiring. No doubt about that. But it's not going to spur more hiring.

If you don't want a jobs creation tax break, don't take it

Why should we give you tax breaks that are sold as job creation tools whether you create jobs or not?

No, we dont want anyone to have temporary targeted bribes with our money. Our taking it will not affect that.
"You" are not giving "us" anything.

It is done and has been done longer than you have been alive rabbi.
You city does it, your county does it, your state does and your nation does it. And it is done in many, many places on places not in the USA.
 
One thing small businesses need is better finance plans when borrowing money. The banks are either saying no, or loading the fees up on loans to make as much money that is legally possible.

Why don't Liberals just ask small business what they want and need, instead of pretending ?


Oh that's right.


You wouldn't want to hear the answer.

Have you ever ask all the small businesses in the USA what they need?
 
I am SO tired of this tax cut for person or group X while person or group Y harbors more of the burden thing.. this posturing and pandering is why we got in trouble in the first place

Yes.. it sounds good, but it basically comes down to the government picking winners and losers in all aspects of the game.. and that is not the job of government

Translation: This would be a great idea if republicans were pushing it.

Hmmm..
Most small businesses are generally GOP.
Therefore most small businesses are putting ideas GOP support.
GOP/small businesses see current administration adding 41,000 laws since 1/1/11,
now we have 13,000 pages alone in Obamacare and more to come.
hmmm..
Seems like the govt. is doing too much!
 

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