If you have actually read Mein Kampf....

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    I have some questions.

    I never actually read the book until now. I always figured, I pretty much know what it says. That and it's being described as a VERY bad read stodgy and stilted etc, didn't inspire any ambition in that direction. But, we were cleaning and I came across a copy in some box and I was between books so I figured, what the hell, I can get something else if it sucks.

    That said, I'm in the first hundred pages still and Hitler is explaining his youth and his observations from his youth that led to his political beliefs. What I'm interested in is deconstructing his contentions concerning the Jews first mentioned in these early chapters.

    Some of them are outright racist and don't really deserve any time spent on them. The more interesting questions that do need some effort are:

    - Hitler's contention concerning whether Jews were really the leaders of the Social Democracy movement then existing in Austria and Germany. (and its nature and character)

    - Hitler's contention concerning the leadership of the newspapers especially the International press and his characterization of it.

    I'm interested in comments from all who have read it. If you haven't read it, please either read and comment on his remarks or refrain from commenting. I know bringing up Hitler is an explosive topic, but hopefully this can be handled in something akin to a scholarly manner. Thanks
     
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    Want to understand Hitler? Read Darwin, Weissman, Schallmayer, Hauptman, Haekckel, Kurella, Dodel, von Heatig, Hellwald, PLoetz, Forel, et al. Most of his views seem to a be a synthesis of second- and third-hand interpretations of these writers, dissiminated in a number of journals and pamphlets during his time in Austria.
     
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    Can't disagree too much with that. I've read several of those. Not the lesser known (at least to me) of them though. It isn't really that I want to "understand" Hitler. I'm not sure that there is too much worth understanding. Understanding the surroundings of Hitler, on the other hand, seems worthwhile. The people, the organizations, the political landscape.

    What is shocking me right now is how altogether familiar what he is describing in the first 100 pages of Mein Kampf is to today's landscape. I have to say, I was expecting a bunch of National Socialist drivel and for it to be barely readable invective. While there certainly are some drivelly parts and some invective seasoning the discourse, it has mostly been descriptive, so far.

    Now, one must remember that this is Hitler writing in 1923 from Landesburg prison and he has a purpose. The purpose is not to tell everyone his life's story, but to persuade a people to follow him to Hell's very gate. So, one must check everything he says for exaggeration and outright lies. That said, the set up of the board, is so familiar, one has to see a pattern that needs to be explored.

    That's what I'm looking for.
    - Then, Hitler says, the problem with Austria is all the Slavs infiltrating the "German culture" and government and the Czechization of Austria. (Anyone want to insert Hispanics for Slavs and call it America?)

    - Hitler decries a press that is constantly seeking to undermine the German culture and the German aspects of the government and German tradition but constantly raising up every competitor to the culture, government and traditions of Austria/Germany.
    (When one hears that this has been the standard for over 100 years, then I guess you start to wonder what exactly is the nature of "Journalism" and if Journalism itself is meant for such a position. Is it endemic?)

    There are more similarities between then an now, us and them. But, it still remains to unravel truth from fiction/fantasy/hyperbole.
     
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    History is like the Earth: the fool sees a straight line; the wise man steps back far enough to see a circle
     
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    Ask yourself, Tech, are such observations really incorrect? Is not the fact that 1/8 - 1/7 of children born in the US are born to illegals, taken in the context of the constant talk among the brown race of 'La Raza' and Reconquista evidence that there is a social effort to undermine America and the 'Gringo' culture? Is not a common language a necessity for a large nation to function as a singular State and society? Was not our guilded age in the 1950s? Would that not mean the bulk of the work force during our guided age was born in and around the 20's and 30's, during the limited success of the American Eugencis Movement? Does that not also mena that the more experiecned of our citizens were still the pridcucts of the Fitter Families contests, which taught them to take pride in themselves, their families, and their nation and culture?

    Has not the decline of American culture and the American economy coincided with the embracement of 'multicultueralism' and the demonization of the White race and culture which built this nation?

    When our schools are teaching seperationist and racist curriculum written by persons with known ties to The National Council of the Race (NCLR), a brown supremecist organization, there is something seriopusly wrong.
     
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    I read it back in college. I'll have to pick it up again.

    It's eerie how much Obama's autobiography mimics Mein Kampf
     
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    Darwin? I think his belief of Aryan Superiority and and any ties to Darwinism may have just been purely coincidental. Schopenhauer and his The World as Will and Representation was also thought to be a seminal influence.
     

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