If you can Afford Smokes & Booze, you need to get the Fuck off of Welfare, mmmkay...

[manifold]

mal,

Are you merely making a philosophical point or are you suggesting we expand government to impose your policy recommendation?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

General Welfare = Free Shit for Everybody

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jarhead]

i was forced to help pay for a war of choice in Iraq that was started for no reason...

i'll be fine with you getting your pennies back for "welfare" so long as i get my bucks back for Iraq.

loon, pennies for welfare? you gotta be kidding.

compared to what you guys wasted on iraq for no reason?

poor willow.

Us guys wasted on Iraq?

Correct me if I am wrong....but wasnt it a bi-partisan vote to enter Iraq?

 

[uscitizen]

General Welfare = Free Shit for Everybody

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!

Only for generals.
they need a few hundred billion to keep us safe.

 

[WillowTree]

yeah, make the kids starve...

but go try to make it illegal for the women to get easily available, insurance covered and safe abortions...

while insurance companies pay for viagra.

which is smarter? Birth control or abortions? You want us the AMerican taxpayer to now pay for convenient easily avoided abortions.

finiancially it is a sound decision. cheaper to abort than to support on welfare for 18 years.

well then we should mandate abortions for all unwed pregnancies and end the deficit. Why didn't I think of that? Joe the Taxpayer can pay for one abortion and one sterilization performed at the same time. No more than that per woman.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

yeah, make the kids starve...

but go try to make it illegal for the women to get easily available, insurance covered and safe abortions...

while insurance companies pay for viagra.

which is smarter? Birth control or abortions? You want us the AMerican taxpayer to now pay for convenient easily avoided abortions.

finiancially it is a sound decision. cheaper to abort than to support on welfare for 18 years.

Well, finally a lefty admits that abortion is all about money. So, now that we've established that human life to them is ultimately about $$.. let's trust them with everyone's health care.

 

[uscitizen]

which is smarter? Birth control or abortions? You want us the AMerican taxpayer to now pay for convenient easily avoided abortions.

finiancially it is a sound decision. cheaper to abort than to support on welfare for 18 years.

well then we should mandate abortions for all unwed pregnancies and end the deficit. Why didn't I think of that? Joe the Taxpayer can pay for one abortion and one sterilization performed at the same time. No more than that per woman.

Hmm it is a thought. I had thought of voluntary, but the mandated idea would make better finiancial sense.

Might also decrease the moral degenerates that live together in sin without marrying.

 

[Jarhead]

i was forced to help pay for a war of choice in Iraq that was started for no reason...

i'll be fine with you getting your pennies back for "welfare" so long as i get my bucks back for Iraq.

Huh?
Not sure where that came from.
I simply said that whereas I am for smaller government, if I am forced to put into SS, then I will take advantage of it.
If I was not forced to put into SS, then I would not put into it and take from it as I am against larger government

where did it come from?

your complaint was that you didn't want to be forced to pay for things like health insurance so that others could be covered and we could afford to do it.

my response was to name something that *I* did not choose to pay for or want to pay for but was forced to pay for.

Sorry Jillian.....

By no means was that what my post was saying.

I responded to someone who made a comment about how it is hypoctritical for those of us to take advantage of SS and Medicare if we are nbot for larger government..

And I simply pointed out that if we are forced to have money taken out of our paychex for those, then it is not hypoicritical...we are paying for the service...not by choice...but we are paying for it...so it is not hypocritical to use it.

 

[uscitizen]

which is smarter? Birth control or abortions? You want us the AMerican taxpayer to now pay for convenient easily avoided abortions.

finiancially it is a sound decision. cheaper to abort than to support on welfare for 18 years.

Well, finally a lefty admits that abortion is all about money. So, now that we've established that human life to them is ultimately about $$.. let's trust them with everyone's health care.

A great leap of illogical reading incomprehension there, but whatever floats your boat.

 

[jillian]

Curious...

If there was no welfare, food stamps, or government assistance programs....and a parent used their money to buy alcohol and a big screen tv...and the poor child starves to death....would it be the governments fault for not having programs to ensure that child eats?

Now, lets say that parent found a way to sell their entitlements for drugs and alcohol and so, once again the child starves to death....iwho's fault is it in that case?

Finally....just curious....exactly when was the last time that you heard a child had starved to death in the US?

you do realize that we had welfare reform back in the 90's, right? no question there is some abuse, but i'm pretty sure that people don't use their welfare money to buy cadillacs. (just to carry on the racial stereotype that's been running through this thread).

As for your question? Is that the only measure of poverty as far as you're concerned? How many children die? How about asking how many children rely on the food they get at school in order NOT to starve to death; how many people have to choose between food and medication; how many people are malnourished? how many people can barely afford to eat and pay for housing and pay for clothing?

your question, while an interseting exercise is only one small piece. and i'm not really interested in looking for such an answer. i'd hope not a single child dies of starvation in this country. it would be a travesty for the richest country in the world to allow children to die for lack of food. we aren't subsaharan africa. should we be?

 

[jillian]

which is smarter? Birth control or abortions? You want us the AMerican taxpayer to now pay for convenient easily avoided abortions.

finiancially it is a sound decision. cheaper to abort than to support on welfare for 18 years.

Well, finally a lefty admits that abortion is all about money. So, now that we've established that human life to them is ultimately about $$.. let's trust them with everyone's health care.

don't lie and mischaracterize what i said. if you don't understand my comment, i'll be happy to explain for the comprehension-impaired.

 

[Jarhead]

You are aware Jillian that both of those are itemized deductions from a paycheck?

 

[uscitizen]

Huh?
Not sure where that came from.
I simply said that whereas I am for smaller government, if I am forced to put into SS, then I will take advantage of it.
If I was not forced to put into SS, then I would not put into it and take from it as I am against larger government

where did it come from?

your complaint was that you didn't want to be forced to pay for things like health insurance so that others could be covered and we could afford to do it.

my response was to name something that *I* did not choose to pay for or want to pay for but was forced to pay for.

Sorry Jillian.....

By no means was that what my post was saying.

I responded to someone who made a comment about how it is hypoctritical for those of us to take advantage of SS and Medicare if we are nbot for larger government..

And I simply pointed out that if we are forced to have money taken out of our paychex for those, then it is not hypoicritical...we are paying for the service...not by choice...but we are paying for it...so it is not hypocritical to use it.

Yes Medicare and SS are more like insurance policies.
although I do believe that you would need to have under a certain income to qualify for either of those benefits. The rich do not need them.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

finiancially it is a sound decision. cheaper to abort than to support on welfare for 18 years.

Well, finally a lefty admits that abortion is all about money. So, now that we've established that human life to them is ultimately about $$.. let's trust them with everyone's health care.

A great leap of illogical reading incomprehension there, but whatever floats your boat.

cheaper to abort than to support

Pretty much says it all.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

finiancially it is a sound decision. cheaper to abort than to support on welfare for 18 years.

Well, finally a lefty admits that abortion is all about money. So, now that we've established that human life to them is ultimately about $$.. let's trust them with everyone's health care.

don't lie and mischaracterize what i said. if you don't understand my comment, i'll be happy to explain for the comprehension-impaired.

Again.. for the slow on the uptake...

cheaper to abort than to support

 

[manifold]

But what about someone like JenyEliza who's on welfare but trades for smokes and booze by giving blowjobs in back alleys?

Is that ok?

 

[Claudette]

loon, pennies for welfare? you gotta be kidding.

compared to what you guys wasted on iraq for no reason?

poor willow.

Us guys wasted on Iraq?

Correct me if I am wrong....but wasnt it a bi-partisan vote to enter Iraq?

Your right. It was.

The Dems like to conveniently forget that fact.

BTW I haven't heard of any kids starving in the US either.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

finiancially it is a sound decision. cheaper to abort than to support on welfare for 18 years

I am sorry, how could I construe this statement to mean that finiancially it is a sound decision. cheaper to abort than to support on welfare for 18 years

My bad.

 

[uscitizen]

Well, finally a lefty admits that abortion is all about money. So, now that we've established that human life to them is ultimately about $$.. let's trust them with everyone's health care.

don't lie and mischaracterize what i said. if you don't understand my comment, i'll be happy to explain for the comprehension-impaired.

Again.. for the slow on the uptake...

cheaper to abort than to support

Yes it is cheaper to abort than support. that is a finiancial fact.

But that fact does not mean that is what she or I or the left at large supports.

 

[Jarhead]

Curious...

If there was no welfare, food stamps, or government assistance programs....and a parent used their money to buy alcohol and a big screen tv...and the poor child starves to death....would it be the governments fault for not having programs to ensure that child eats?

Now, lets say that parent found a way to sell their entitlements for drugs and alcohol and so, once again the child starves to death....iwho's fault is it in that case?

Finally....just curious....exactly when was the last time that you heard a child had starved to death in the US?

you do realize that we had welfare reform back in the 90's, right? no question there is some abuse, but i'm pretty sure that people don't use their welfare money to buy cadillacs. (just to carry on the racial stereotype that's been running through this thread).

As for your question? Is that the only measure of poverty as far as you're concerned? How many children die? How about asking how many children rely on the food they get at school in order NOT to starve to death; how many people have to choose between food and medication; how many people are malnourished? how many people can barely afford to eat and pay for housing and pay for clothing?

your question, while an interseting exercise is only one small piece. and i'm not really interested in looking for such an answer. i'd hope not a single child dies of starvation in this country. it would be a travesty for the richest country in the world to allow children to die for lack of food. we aren't subsaharan africa. should we be?

And that was my point Jillian.
Children do not die in America due to starvation.
With or without government programs, children wopuld not die in America due to starvation.
American people, NOT THE GOVEWRNMENT...but American people alone, with personal donations, gave more to Haiti than all other countries combined..
Americans are and have always been a giving people..

We dont need government to decide who gets what.