If you are disliked because of your race...

[Montrovant]

Are you claiming that whites have been locked out of equal participation in the legal / political process?

Most have. When the best they can do is Donald Trump, it should be obvious that one segment of society is without leadership and influence of any kind.

Being without leadership is a far different thing than being locked out of equal participation in politics. The vast majority of representatives are Christian white men. There are 535 members of Congress. The 115th Congress, sworn in in January, had 104 women, 102 minorities, and only 39 non-Christians. 115th Congress will be most racially diverse in history

If there is a lack of equality in the political process, it seems to swing toward whites, men, and Christians at the federal level. Having 19% of Congress made up of minority representatives makes it the most racially diverse Congress in history, and it still leaves minorities under-represented based on population numbers: 38% of the country is made up of minorities. 115th Congress sets new high for racial, ethnic diversity

Since representation at the federal level is overwhelmingly made up of whites, what makes you say that whites are locked out of equal participation in the political process?

We're going to keep coming back to the same argument. It's like watching a rodent on a treadmill.

The average white man lives in fear and I mean complete fear of supporting his fellow man that is opposed to the NEW WORLD ORDER / ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

If whites do speak out, the media tries to bully, intimidate and shame them for what they believe in. You don't find the same actions being taken against someone like Socialist Bernie Sanders. Trump, even surrounding himself with One Worlders was held up and ridiculed for saying that some of the participants in the Charlottesville rally were good people. You and I know there probably a lot of decent people among them.

I can identify with some of the problems that those people were complaining about, but I differ with the spokesmen as to the right solutions. But, for those who look at Congress and ask themselves which of those political propaganda prostitutes would have offered some compromise toward preserving our heritage they come up dry.

What leader is standing up to those who envision a One World Government and saying that the culture of the white people will be preserved. Instead what you have is an all out assault on our monuments, statues and memorials. In Georgia they removed Confederate statues and then replaced one with a statue of Martin Luther King, Jr. - and he was a far left Democrat that was associated with communists. Let's not even focus on the fact that he was supposedly a preacher and was bringing his religious views into the political arena. We don't allow that for white people.

What white leader on Capitol Hill is advocating that the Rights of unpopular white viewpoints be protected? No - instead we're allowing Internet Service Providers to kick unpopular whites off the Internet. YouTube enlisted the help of the ADL to monitor that venue and get rid of objectionable whites. Isn't there supposed to be a First Amendment to protect the equivalent of Freedom of the Press and Freedom of Speech along with Freedom of Association? Which white legislator in Washington Wonderland, District of Corruption is protecting white culture?

Amazingly, the two presidential candidates running for president that wanted to preserve our cultural heritage were Latinos... Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. It's a complex dynamic. The Latino guys understand and appreciate a culture that was developed outside their race. So they openly embrace perpetuating the idea that Liberty is worth supporting. By contrast, the other white guys pay the subject lip service and sell out to the idea of a One World Government on the installment plan.

The non-whites and the liberals dominate the thinking process of the whites so that even those who agree with the principles upon which our nation was built (and by which race is an integral part) are too spineless to stand up for what is right.

The thing for me is that you cannot tear down our statues, monuments, and memorials; tell our churches what tenets of faith they can and cannot believe; allow a Muslim to wear their head gear while working on a government job while prohibiting a Christian from wearing a cross on a necklace on the same job; lock us out of the political process via a controlled news / entertainment media all the while creating stereotypes that cannot defend themselves and then deny that I have a legitimate issue.

I don't think the average white man, or man of any race, or adult in this country, thinks all that much about the new world order or one world government.

Confederate statues = white statues? I imagine there are plenty of whites who disagree that Confederate statues are in any way representative of them or their culture.

Whites aren't allowed to bring religious views into politics? Are you talking about the Johnson Amendment which prevents religious organizations from supporting or opposing a political candidate while retaining their IRS classification as a non-profit? I'm not sure how that applies to MLK.

Whites remain the majority in this country, and remain in the vast majority of power positions in this country. Perhaps you don't like what they are doing in those positions, but that doesn't mean whites do not have most of the power and control.

You mistake people that are lap dogs for power brokers as having power and control. They are eye candy so that you remain blind to the elite that DO have the control.

Well now you seem to be saying that the races are equal in political power, because really it is just the elite that have control. And what about those elites....are they mostly white?

I'm just not seeing where you would be able to say that whites have less political power than other races in the US, based on your comments. Either we truly have a representative government, and whites are disproportionately represented, giving them more political power, or we are ruled by the elite, and therefor no race has a power advantage. What am I missing?

 

[Montrovant]

This is "respect and courtesy"? Certainly, you could have been much harsher, but you seem to be giving yourself a bit more credit than is warranted. That's just regarding this post, as well; if you look at previous posts, "respect and courtesy" have not always been obvious.

I can't ask for a definition for white culture? First of all, obviously I can and have. You would be more accurate to say you can't provide such a definition because it is too imprecise. Second, if you are going to claim that self-hating whites don't appreciate their culture, and "support ideologies that are foreign to white culture," it would be helpful to know what you mean by 'white culture.' So far you've given the impression that white culture is the culture of the US at its founding.

As I understand it, early state constitutions required public office holders to be Christian, or specifically Protestant. Voting and testifying in a trial were also things that might require a degree of faith. I'd appreciate examples of citizenship requiring Protestant faith.

I'm only interested in English law as it relates to white culture, at least in the context of this conversation. You seem to be connecting the two, and I'm trying to figure out just what you mean when you talk about whites supporting ideologies other than white culture.

You continue to make very broad generalizations about a significant portion of the population in claiming Democrats or liberals hate every facet of American culture. Of course, that's not at all uncommon on this site.

I don't expect to "cover the world in every posting." I'm not bringing up unrelated topics, I'm responding to the things you have posted. I'm sorry if you have a problem with me responding to the things you type. I'm not creating unreasonably long posts, nor am I inserting subjects you have not already brought up into the conversation. I will continue to respond to the things I read in posts. Clearly you can respond or not as you wish.

I have stated that nobody can give you a precise definition of white culture. And they can't. Still, even in the mainstream there is this vague idea of America.

Our nation was founded on the idea of unalienable Rights. NO other nation on earth and at no time ever asserted such a position AND backed it up with legal guarantees (Bill of Rights) that protect the individual from government tyranny. Those precepts have roots going back to other white countries and Anglo Saxon laws.

White culture, for purposes of this discussion, have their primary roots in the founding of this country, but the founders got their ideas from other whites. Our system of government and our basic values were derived from white countries and the Christian religion. United States Supreme Court Justice David Brewer put the basic idea into perspective relative to our religion being a part of our culture (as differentiated from a theocracy.)

Full text of "The United States a Christian nation"

One would argue (and I expect that you will) that many societies share similar values; however, ours came to us by way of Anglo Saxon laws and customs that the founders brought with them. At some level it is as much a part of our being as the blood that flows through our veins.

There is no generalization there. Our primary values were rooted in our racial and religious experience. It was handed down from generation to generation. Today, many non-white political activists hate, loathe, and / or despise the whites and all that they represent. They are joined by misguided whites that are detached from the achievements and contributions of their ancestors.

So, do you want to focus on the elements of white culture OR the people who seek to destroy the America envisioned by the founders?

Finally, I chided you mainly because I was being trolled by children and thought you might be headed down the same path with them. If I came on too strong, I apologize. It is very difficult to get a realistic and meaningful dialogue going when so many people are using the boards for amusement rather than to have a real discussion. I don't expect you to agree or accept what I'm saying, but you will gain an understanding as to why some people hold similar views as I do. No group of people support all of what I say, so be forewarned.

I don't like the concept of racial culture. There is no culture inherent in being white, or black, or Asian, etc. I would argue that culture can include race, but race does not include culture. Certainly the cultures of the US and Soviet Union during the Cold War were quite different, but both nations were majority white.

The history of our founding, of the English law and culture brought with the colonists, does have a strong influence on today's American culture, but does not define it. Cultures are in an almost constant state of flux, particularly since the Industrial Revolution, I think. As such, American culture is far from where it began. I agree, though, that where it began has played a large role in where it has come.

I may be wrong, but you seem to be desiring a return to the culture of more than 2 centuries ago. That's not going to happen. The world is too different. While not all the cultural changes that have occurred have been positive, I think many have been. And whether you are talking about American culture or white culture, I don't foresee a return to the past.

I think that history is cyclical. I don't see a return to the past. The best that can be hoped for is that whites will wake up and see their America going south.

Societies that try to mix races, cultures, religions, and political persuasions perish. At this juncture in history Liberty is under attack. Those who hate it and despise it tend to be non-white. Whites don't hate it, but take the dim view that because we cannot go back in time, we are doomed to accept the One World utopia that will end our existence.

Unless and until the whites get off the drugs, quit defiling their bodies with poisons, alcohol, tattoos, body piercings and junk food that is killing them, they have no hope. If they are not willing to separate themselves from the current system and work on becoming self sufficient (by learning trades) they are pretty much up the creek. If they do not learn their history and their destiny, they are doomed. In the interim, most of them have been stereotyped - and stereotyping has some truth in it. But, they've done it to themselves. Non-whites look at the white man with disgust and disdain. The whites have become weak, lazy, self serving, and stupid. So, when the average person sees a white person, they see what I realize many of them have become.

Human history shows that all societies perish.

Not before amalgamating races, religions, political persuasions, and economic viewpoints into one body politic - which makes them ripe for a takeover by a more homogeneous people.

So the Aztecs, the British empire, the Japanese empire, the various Chinese dynasties, all amalgamated races, religions, political persuasions, and economic viewpoints, and were then taken over by a more homogeneous people? Did the same happen to ancient Egypt, or the Persian empire, or ancient Mesopotamia?

There have been many different societies. Not all have ended because of diversity.

 

[Flopper]

Unfortunately, in many places just being black makes you look suspicious.

And where I live whites are stereotyped (though some of it was deserved) and they are looked upon with suspicion.

Never really thought about white stereotypes. I suppose it would include the idea that they are extremely self-involved, uneducated about people other than themselves, and are unable to understand the complicated ways in which people who are not white live.

Regardless of ethnicity or race, stereotyping is unfair because it is the antithesis of individuality. Stereotyping is the easy and often inaccurate way of forming an opinion of a person or group.

Thank you for staying on point.

Prejudice is when people develop an opinion absent thought, knowledge, or reason.

At some levels I believe that whites incur an unfavorable stereotype due to their own actions. Over 80 percent of the world's opioids are consumed in the United States. In one article:

"The rate of heroin use among white adults increased by 114% between 2004 and 2013, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The rate among nonwhite adults remained relatively unchanged during that same period."

The opioid addiction epidemic has a racial divide—fewer minorities prescribed opioids

On this one issue alone, and there are many, white people show up for jobs looking like... drug addicts. Proportionately, they are. Having changed their culture over the last several decades, stereotypes are being developed and it's not all unfair.

Whites, being the founding race of this country and having access to a lot of its wealth, have no excuse for what they have done to themselves. But they do it and they do this stuff in droves. Since they get hooked on drugs, they end up in prison. As stated before, America has more people in prison than any nation on this planet. So, millions of white people (a disproportionate amount) have a criminal record and are locked out of the job market.

Before long, most non-whites and probably the bulk of foreigners see a race covered in body piercings, tattoos, wearing clothes that look like they were discarded by homeless people in a ghetto. They might not say it, but where I live at you can tell. Whites, as a race, do not garner the respect they once could. Much of it is our own fault.

We allow our people to become low lifes and then there is a resistance to rehabilitating those who have fallen by the wayside. But, we are all judged by those who get to be our ambassadors. Adding insult to injury, not having a credible leadership, the masses have allowed people like the alt-right, White Nationalists, KKK, neo-nazis, and Donald Trump types to represent them.

Yes, whites ARE being treated like second class citizens. But, it's our own damn fault more than half the time.

Stereotyping is never fair or deserved unless the stereotype applies to everyone in the group. It is most damaging when it is practiced by people who make decisions that seriously effect people's lives such a person hiring, firing, renting property, or policing. Judging each person based on their own personal merits at times is hard and may require more work, but given time it will solve most of our social problems.

Fair or unfair, in a de jure / constitutional Republic such as our forefathers founded, it is the prerogative of an employer to hire whomever they think is the best candidate for the job. Since the employer owns the job, it should be the employer's decision as to who they hire or fire.

The same holds true for property owners. One of the great hallmarks of a free nation is the Right to own property.

On those counts I have no problem. But, when the government creates their own equivalent of a religion (in this case equality by force) and they lock out an entire segment of the country from an equal participation in the legal / political process AND the ability to exercise their unalienable Rights, I have a personal issue with it.

I don't remember any clause in the constitution about hiring and firing, however there is the 14th amendment and the civil rights act.

Whether you like it or not both the constitution and the country has evolved. In 1787, only white men over 21 could vote, and the President could serve for as long as he was elected! Both presidents and congressmen skinny dipped in the Potomac. Slavery was legal, barbers bled customers to cure disease and doctors applied leaches. Life expectancy was about 30. Sale of Opium was legal. Children could be legally sold. Husbands could beat their their wife's without legal consequences. And in it's first year of operation the federal government spent less than 1 million dollars and the population was less than 1% of what it is today. Times have change and so has the constitution.

 

[CleanJean]

I've noticed that white are disliked because they're successful and self sufficient, well the conservative ones anyways.