If universal health care is so great...

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    ...then why doesn't the government go through the process to amend the constitution to state that "The government shall make no law prohibiting the protection and providing thereof of health and care services for the American people." or something to that extent. I do not support UHC simply because the founding documents do not claim it to be legal, it demands an amendment itself for it to be legal. until then the government, especially the congress that is pushing for this, are violating their oath and are damn near treasonous in my humble opinion. Thank you.
     
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    The "living rules" doctrine means that you can use whatever cheap excuse you can (i.e. general welfare and the commerce clause), to just make it up on the fly and ignore niggling trifles like prescribed constitutional process.
     
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    anyone who cites the preamble as law has no base for argument, as if the preamble to the constitution was intended to be legally binding, there would be no need for the 10th amendment, so although I know you yourself are not making that argument, those who do project that argument are easily defeated in debate.
     
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    That's not the one they cite...It's the one in the first sentence of Article 1, Section 8.

    Basically the same BS arguments, though.
     
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    Doesn't need to amend. Next question.
     
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    wow, great argument! :clap2:

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    What would be the purpose of such an amendment?

    You're going to have to be significantly more specific. You don't think the government has discretion over the tax treatment of health benefits (either in the individual market or benefits provided by an employer)? Or do you not think it can regulate industries? Or are you only talking about the individual mandate?

    What are you using "universal health care" to mean?
     
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    Read Article 1, section 8.

    Where in there can it be construed that congress has the power to run the medical services sector of the economy (or any other for that matter) or compel anyone to buy anything?
     
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    It's already there under the 'Good n' Plenty' clause?

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    Don't bother with Joke, Liberty. He's an expert at libberish all day long every day, we never close (our mouth) bullshit. If an ounce of truth gets within a mile of this conversation he'll run away till it's gone.
     

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