If the tea party is plummeting, then how

[Toddsterpatriot]

You can pretend your numbers are growing , it wont help you.

Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low in Gallup Poll - Political Punch

 

[Truthmatters]

how does that prove the tea party numbers are increasing?

 

[JRK]

You can pretend your numbers are growing , it wont help you.

To start with I am not very good at pretending
as far as polls go. I have no faith in a poll unless the question is posted with the poll
I can say this. Obama's approval numbers are in the toilet. Now how can his worst enemy be going down the same time he is?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

how does that prove the tea party numbers are increasing?

You can pretend Obama's numbers are growing , it won't help you.

 

[JRK]

how does that prove the tea party numbers are increasing?

You can pretend Obama's numbers are growing , it won't help you.

I said the same
How can the tea parties be going south when BHO's poll numbers are going south

 

[kiwiman127]

A Gallup poll from August 6th (Click to enlarge)

Where do these polls come from??? I mean, i'm almost 60 and i have NEVER gotten a call or anything in the mail to do one of these, and i haven't found anyone around me that has either.

Last week the far right was crowing over Obama's Gallup numbers, so now Gallup doesn't mean much.
Go figure.
There are quite a few other polls that are saying the same thing, support for the Tea Party has been decreasing. I think it has much to do with their uncompromising philosophy. Every poll shows that America wants our alleged representatives in Washington to act like real adults and compromise as does the financial and corporate sectors. TYhe S&P statement regarding the downgrade expicity stated the uncompromiising approach as a reason for the downgrade. The cry to "hold the line" by the Tea Party is hurting them and America.
I have no problem with some of the Tea Party's agenda, it's the refusal to compromise that really bugs me. But hey, I'm just Main Street America.

 

[Caroljo]

A Gallup poll from August 6th (Click to enlarge)

Where do these polls come from??? I mean, i'm almost 60 and i have NEVER gotten a call or anything in the mail to do one of these, and i haven't found anyone around me that has either.

Last week the far right was crowing over Obama's Gallup numbers, so now Gallup doesn't mean much.
Go figure.
There are quite a few other polls that are saying the same thing, support for the Tea Party has been decreasing. I think it has much to do with their uncompromising philosophy. Every poll shows that America wants our alleged representatives in Washington to act like real adults and compromise as does the financial and corporate sectors. TYhe S&P statement regarding the downgrade expicity stated the uncompromiising approach as a reason for the downgrade. The cry to "hold the line" by the Tea Party is hurting them and America.
I have no problem with some of the Tea Party's agenda, it's the refusal to compromise that really bugs me. But hey, I'm just Main Street America.

That still didn't answer my question....

As for the downgrade, Obama didn't want to compromise either. He didn't want a cut in spending, only wanted to tax people more so he can keep doing what he's doing. The downgrade most likely wouldn't have happened if he'd agreed to more cuts in spending. The Tea Party wanted the cuts in spending, and a balanced budget....what's wrong with that? I'm not saying it's ALL Obama's fault, but he hasn't proven to me or any other sane person that he even cares. He had a chance to balance the budget when dems were in control of congress, but all they cared about was spending! I think they knew this would happen with a republican congress, it's what they wanted to happen to make the reps and tea party "look bad" in the eyes of his followers. There's been a purpose to EVERYTHING he's done since in office, and it's screwing every American out there......

 

[JRK]

Where do these polls come from??? I mean, i'm almost 60 and i have NEVER gotten a call or anything in the mail to do one of these, and i haven't found anyone around me that has either.

Last week the far right was crowing over Obama's Gallup numbers, so now Gallup doesn't mean much.
Go figure.
There are quite a few other polls that are saying the same thing, support for the Tea Party has been decreasing. I think it has much to do with their uncompromising philosophy. Every poll shows that America wants our alleged representatives in Washington to act like real adults and compromise as does the financial and corporate sectors. TYhe S&P statement regarding the downgrade expicity stated the uncompromiising approach as a reason for the downgrade. The cry to "hold the line" by the Tea Party is hurting them and America.
I have no problem with some of the Tea Party's agenda, it's the refusal to compromise that really bugs me. But hey, I'm just Main Street America.

That still didn't answer my question....

As for the downgrade, Obama didn't want to compromise either. He didn't want a cut in spending, only wanted to tax people more so he can keep doing what he's doing. The downgrade most likely wouldn't have happened if he'd agreed to more cuts in spending. The Tea Party wanted the cuts in spending, and a balanced budget....what's wrong with that? I'm not saying it's ALL Obama's fault, but he hasn't proven to me or any other sane person that he even cares. He had a chance to balance the budget when dems were in control of congress, but all they cared about was spending! I think they knew this would happen with a republican congress, it's what they wanted to happen to make the reps and tea party "look bad" in the eyes of his followers. There's been a purpose to EVERYTHING he's done since in office, and it's screwing every American out there......

It is all his, Pelosi s and Reid's fault
2007 we were within 163 billion of a balanced budget
the last GOP budget

you see he wants to raise taxes now?
Obama Returns to Call for More Revenue in Pitching Bigger Deficit Plan - FoxNews.com

 

[JRK]

A Gallup poll from August 6th (Click to enlarge)

Where do these polls come from??? I mean, i'm almost 60 and i have NEVER gotten a call or anything in the mail to do one of these, and i haven't found anyone around me that has either.

Last week the far right was crowing over Obama's Gallup numbers, so now Gallup doesn't mean much.
Go figure.
There are quite a few other polls that are saying the same thing, support for the Tea Party has been decreasing. I think it has much to do with their uncompromising philosophy. Every poll shows that America wants our alleged representatives in Washington to act like real adults and compromise as does the financial and corporate sectors. TYhe S&P statement regarding the downgrade expicity stated the uncompromiising approach as a reason for the downgrade. The cry to "hold the line" by the Tea Party is hurting them and America.
I have no problem with some of the Tea Party's agenda, it's the refusal to compromise that really bugs me. But hey, I'm just Main Street America.

I still am confused
balanced budget
smaller govt
lower taxes
govern thru the constitution
just how adult is this? and why would anyone want to compromise this?

 

[Caroljo]

The Tea party is doing just what they said they would...and that's what got so many people behind them. Maybe if Obama would do some compromising with congress instead of being so stubborn we might get somewhere. He won't give up his spending (meaning all democrats, not just him). If he really cared where this country was going he would work with them to put things in place that we need. But all they care about is making the "right" look wrong.

Ok Dems....please tell me what is wrong with a balanced budget, smaller government, lower taxes, following the constitution.... what??? How about Obama just give every household their own money printing machines and we can enjoy life too!

 

[kiwiman127]

Last week the far right was crowing over Obama's Gallup numbers, so now Gallup doesn't mean much.
Go figure.
There are quite a few other polls that are saying the same thing, support for the Tea Party has been decreasing. I think it has much to do with their uncompromising philosophy. Every poll shows that America wants our alleged representatives in Washington to act like real adults and compromise as does the financial and corporate sectors. The S&P statement regarding the downgrade explicitly stated the uncompromising approach as a reason for the downgrade. The cry to "hold the line" by the Tea Party is hurting them and America.
I have no problem with some of the Tea Party's agenda, it's the refusal to compromise that really bugs me. But hey, I'm just Main Street America.

That still didn't answer my question....

As for the downgrade, Obama didn't want to compromise either. He didn't want a cut in spending, only wanted to tax people more so he can keep doing what he's doing. The downgrade most likely wouldn't have happened if he'd agreed to more cuts in spending. The Tea Party wanted the cuts in spending, and a balanced budget....what's wrong with that? I'm not saying it's ALL Obama's fault, but he hasn't proven to me or any other sane person that he even cares. He had a chance to balance the budget when dems were in control of congress, but all they cared about was spending! I think they knew this would happen with a republican congress, it's what they wanted to happen to make the reps and tea party "look bad" in the eyes of his followers. There's been a purpose to EVERYTHING he's done since in office, and it's screwing every American out there......

It is all his, Pelosi s and Reid's fault
2007 we were within 163 billion of a balanced budget
the last GOP budget

you see he wants to raise taxes now?
Obama Returns to Call for More Revenue in Pitching Bigger Deficit Plan - FoxNews.com

Yep, Polosi and Reid thought they had a mandate and so did Obama, what did we get was more spending and Obamacare. But let's not forget that, prior to Obama the National Debt had risen to close to $11 trillion from previous actions by previous presidents and congresses. That's still no excuse for the Dems thinking they had a mandate to do whatever they wanted, but in real terms, it's not just Pelosi, Reid and Obama, it's the actions dating back to the 80's.
Now, when I hear Tea Party members of Congress spouting they had a mandate, I see them assuming they had a mandate to do whatever they want. They had great success running on cutting spending, but it appears a majority of the American public don't like their no surrender/no compromise approach.
And speaking of raising taxes,,,,most quarters including the American public and the S&P think that there should be tax increases, primarily on the wealthy. The Tea Party just wants to poor and middle class to bear the financial responsibility of righting America's economic ship, while the wealthy escape any responsibility in the righting of America's economic ship. Yet as facts bear out, since the recession started, the middle class and the poor have lost ground in America's economy to the tune of record levels, while the wealthy have significantly gained in America's economy. Now the middle class and poor are supposed to lose even more ground, while the wealthy keep on capturing more of the economy? And that's morally right? That is pure Plutocracy and I dare anyone to prove me wrong. When Grover Nyquist said "“Not continuing a tax cut is not technically a tax increase", he was conceding that revenue's needed to be increased. When everyone contributes to righting America;s economic ship, we have a moral and fair approach.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Are your numbers growing?

from non existence in 2008 to having political influence in washington and the republican primaries in 2011....yes i would say the tea party has grown and become more and more powerful over time.

For a < 3 year old entity they sure have changed the political landscape!

 

[JRK]

That still didn't answer my question....

As for the downgrade, Obama didn't want to compromise either. He didn't want a cut in spending, only wanted to tax people more so he can keep doing what he's doing. The downgrade most likely wouldn't have happened if he'd agreed to more cuts in spending. The Tea Party wanted the cuts in spending, and a balanced budget....what's wrong with that? I'm not saying it's ALL Obama's fault, but he hasn't proven to me or any other sane person that he even cares. He had a chance to balance the budget when dems were in control of congress, but all they cared about was spending! I think they knew this would happen with a republican congress, it's what they wanted to happen to make the reps and tea party "look bad" in the eyes of his followers. There's been a purpose to EVERYTHING he's done since in office, and it's screwing every American out there......

It is all his, Pelosi s and Reid's fault
2007 we were within 163 billion of a balanced budget
the last GOP budget

you see he wants to raise taxes now?
Obama Returns to Call for More Revenue in Pitching Bigger Deficit Plan - FoxNews.com

Yep, Polosi and Reid thought they had a mandate and so did Obama, what did we get was more spending and Obamacare. But let's not forget that, prior to Obama the National Debt had risen to close to $11 trillion from previous actions by previous presidents and congresses. That's still no excuse for the Dems thinking they had a mandate to do whatever they wanted, but in real terms, it's not just Pelosi, Reid and Obama, it's the actions dating back to the 80's.
Now, when I hear Tea Party members of Congress spouting they had a mandate, I see them assuming they had a mandate to do whatever they want. They had great success running on cutting spending, but it appears a majority of the American public don't like their no surrender/no compromise approach.
And speaking of raising taxes,,,,most quarters including the American public and the S&P think that there should be tax increases, primarily on the wealthy. The Tea Party just wants to poor and middle class to bear the financial responsibility of righting America's economic ship, while the wealthy escape any responsibility in the righting of America's economic ship. Yet as facts bear out, since the recession started, the middle class and the poor have lost ground in America's economy to the tune of record levels, while the wealthy have significantly gained in America's economy. Now the middle class and poor are supposed to lose even more ground, while the wealthy keep on capturing more of the economy? And that's morally right? That is pure Plutocracy and I dare anyone to prove me wrong. When Grover Nyquist said "“Not continuing a tax cut is not technically a tax increase", he was conceding that revenue's needed to be increased. When everyone contributes to righting America;s economic ship, we have a moral and fair approach.

GWB could have done a better job
9-11 is a forgotten event
we got within 163 billion oaf a balanced budget in 2007, the last GOP event
what you say about the tea party is not true
smaller govt has nothing to do with the poor and the middle class bearing all of the resp
A balanced budget comes from a smaller govt
where do you people get this crap?

And the wealthy capturing more of the economy is because they are wealthy
your act like they are contributing nothing
If a rich man makes no money, one day he will not be rich
if a rich man pays no taxes, one day he will not be rich
if a rich man makes money, he will pay allot in taxes
or for that matter a woman

 

[kiwiman127]

It is all his, Pelosi s and Reid's fault
2007 we were within 163 billion of a balanced budget
the last GOP budget

you see he wants to raise taxes now?
Obama Returns to Call for More Revenue in Pitching Bigger Deficit Plan - FoxNews.com

Yep, Polosi and Reid thought they had a mandate and so did Obama, what did we get was more spending and Obamacare. But let's not forget that, prior to Obama the National Debt had risen to close to $11 trillion from previous actions by previous presidents and congresses. That's still no excuse for the Dems thinking they had a mandate to do whatever they wanted, but in real terms, it's not just Pelosi, Reid and Obama, it's the actions dating back to the 80's.
Now, when I hear Tea Party members of Congress spouting they had a mandate, I see them assuming they had a mandate to do whatever they want. They had great success running on cutting spending, but it appears a majority of the American public don't like their no surrender/no compromise approach.
And speaking of raising taxes,,,,most quarters including the American public and the S&P think that there should be tax increases, primarily on the wealthy. The Tea Party just wants to poor and middle class to bear the financial responsibility of righting America's economic ship, while the wealthy escape any responsibility in the righting of America's economic ship. Yet as facts bear out, since the recession started, the middle class and the poor have lost ground in America's economy to the tune of record levels, while the wealthy have significantly gained in America's economy. Now the middle class and poor are supposed to lose even more ground, while the wealthy keep on capturing more of the economy? And that's morally right? That is pure Plutocracy and I dare anyone to prove me wrong. When Grover Nyquist said "“Not continuing a tax cut is not technically a tax increase", he was conceding that revenue's needed to be increased. When everyone contributes to righting America;s economic ship, we have a moral and fair approach.

GWB could have done a better job
9-11 is a forgotten event
we got within 163 billion oaf a balanced budget in 2007, the last GOP event
what you say about the tea party is not true
smaller govt has nothing to do with the poor and the middle class bearing all of the resp
A balanced budget comes from a smaller govt
where do you people get this crap?

And the wealthy capturing more of the economy is because they are wealthy
your act like they are contributing nothing
If a rich man makes no money, one day he will not be rich
if a rich man pays no taxes, one day he will not be rich
if a rich man makes money, he will pay allot in taxes
or for that matter a woman

Where do I get this crap? Try the real world!
FACT: Workers wages are where they were in the 1980's in Real Dollars! Who has benefited? Try the wealthy, because the flat wages enhanced the bottom line. That in itself explain the working middle class losing out in the US economy, while the wealthy have gained in the economy. When someone loses, some else wins. This isn't rocket science, it's just that simple.! Plutocracy in action! The Tea Party and people like you want to keep on pushing Main Street America off the cliff. I'd bet many of those same people are part of Main Street America and are in fact, shooting themselves in the foot.
In a Plutocratic world, the American version of capitalism doesn't work. Two-thirds of the US capitalistic economy is driven by consumer spending. The middle class is the heart of consumer spending. When the middle class has less expendable wealth, the capitalistic economy falters because of the lack of participation of the middle class (See the Great Depression). Right now the middle class isn't spending, there is no demand, with no demand there is no supply. Supply and demand, supply and demand, isn't that the very basics of a capitalistic economy?
And please explain the moral justicfication of just the middle class and poor being responsible for righting America's economic ship, where as the wealthy who have factually benefited in an economy that needs fixing, just slide on by as far as realizing any responsibility?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yep, Polosi and Reid thought they had a mandate and so did Obama, what did we get was more spending and Obamacare. But let's not forget that, prior to Obama the National Debt had risen to close to $11 trillion from previous actions by previous presidents and congresses. That's still no excuse for the Dems thinking they had a mandate to do whatever they wanted, but in real terms, it's not just Pelosi, Reid and Obama, it's the actions dating back to the 80's.
Now, when I hear Tea Party members of Congress spouting they had a mandate, I see them assuming they had a mandate to do whatever they want. They had great success running on cutting spending, but it appears a majority of the American public don't like their no surrender/no compromise approach.
And speaking of raising taxes,,,,most quarters including the American public and the S&P think that there should be tax increases, primarily on the wealthy. The Tea Party just wants to poor and middle class to bear the financial responsibility of righting America's economic ship, while the wealthy escape any responsibility in the righting of America's economic ship. Yet as facts bear out, since the recession started, the middle class and the poor have lost ground in America's economy to the tune of record levels, while the wealthy have significantly gained in America's economy. Now the middle class and poor are supposed to lose even more ground, while the wealthy keep on capturing more of the economy? And that's morally right? That is pure Plutocracy and I dare anyone to prove me wrong. When Grover Nyquist said "“Not continuing a tax cut is not technically a tax increase", he was conceding that revenue's needed to be increased. When everyone contributes to righting America;s economic ship, we have a moral and fair approach.

GWB could have done a better job
9-11 is a forgotten event
we got within 163 billion oaf a balanced budget in 2007, the last GOP event
what you say about the tea party is not true
smaller govt has nothing to do with the poor and the middle class bearing all of the resp
A balanced budget comes from a smaller govt
where do you people get this crap?

And the wealthy capturing more of the economy is because they are wealthy
your act like they are contributing nothing
If a rich man makes no money, one day he will not be rich
if a rich man pays no taxes, one day he will not be rich
if a rich man makes money, he will pay allot in taxes
or for that matter a woman

Where do I get this crap? Try the real world!
FACT: Workers wages are where they were in the 1980's in Real Dollars! Who has benefited? Try the wealthy, because the flat wages enhanced the bottom line. That in itself explain the working middle class losing out in the US economy, while the wealthy have gained in the economy. When someone loses, some else wins. This isn't rocket science, it's just that simple.! Plutocracy in action! The Tea Party and people like you want to keep on pushing Main Street America off the cliff. I'd bet many of those same people are part of Main Street America and are in fact, shooting themselves in the foot.
In a Plutocratic world, the American version of capitalism doesn't work. Two-thirds of the US capitalistic economy is driven by consumer spending. The middle class is the heart of consumer spending. When the middle class has less expendable wealth, the capitalistic economy falters because of the lack of participation of the middle class (See the Great Depression). Right now the middle class isn't spending, there is no demand, with no demand there is no supply. Supply and demand, supply and demand, isn't that the very basics of a capitalistic economy?
And please explain the moral justicfication of just the middle class and poor being responsible for righting America's economic ship, where as the wealthy who have factually benefited in an economy that needs fixing, just slide on by as far as realizing any responsibility?

When someone loses, some else wins.

My favorite economic fallacy.
Did you lose because Bill Gates created Windows and is now worth $56 billion?
Please explain how? Be as precise as you can. Thanks!

 

[kiwiman127]

GWB could have done a better job
9-11 is a forgotten event
we got within 163 billion oaf a balanced budget in 2007, the last GOP event
what you say about the tea party is not true
smaller govt has nothing to do with the poor and the middle class bearing all of the resp
A balanced budget comes from a smaller govt
where do you people get this crap?

And the wealthy capturing more of the economy is because they are wealthy
your act like they are contributing nothing
If a rich man makes no money, one day he will not be rich
if a rich man pays no taxes, one day he will not be rich
if a rich man makes money, he will pay allot in taxes
or for that matter a woman

Where do I get this crap? Try the real world!
FACT: Workers wages are where they were in the 1980's in Real Dollars! Who has benefited? Try the wealthy, because the flat wages enhanced the bottom line. That in itself explain the working middle class losing out in the US economy, while the wealthy have gained in the economy. When someone loses, some else wins. This isn't rocket science, it's just that simple.! Plutocracy in action! The Tea Party and people like you want to keep on pushing Main Street America off the cliff. I'd bet many of those same people are part of Main Street America and are in fact, shooting themselves in the foot.
In a Plutocratic world, the American version of capitalism doesn't work. Two-thirds of the US capitalistic economy is driven by consumer spending. The middle class is the heart of consumer spending. When the middle class has less expendable wealth, the capitalistic economy falters because of the lack of participation of the middle class (See the Great Depression). Right now the middle class isn't spending, there is no demand, with no demand there is no supply. Supply and demand, supply and demand, isn't that the very basics of a capitalistic economy?
And please explain the moral justicfication of just the middle class and poor being responsible for righting America's economic ship, where as the wealthy who have factually benefited in an economy that needs fixing, just slide on by as far as realizing any responsibility?

When someone loses, some else wins.

My favorite economic fallacy.
Did you lose because Bill Gates created Windows and is now worth $56 billion?
Please explain how? Be as precise as you can. Thanks!

How that fits into the disucssion I was having regarding the plight of the middle class losing out in the blossomimg Plutocratic economic system is beyond me. Seems to be a diversion away from the subject at hand.
Bill Gates enhanced the office workplace and home user environment, the only ones who lost were his competitors. Bu, since you brought up Bill Gates;

Bill Gates backs 'rich tax' for his home town state
Read more: Bill Gates backs 'rich tax' for his home town state | Mail Online

 

[hortysir]

If the tea party is plummeting, then how

could just 2 weeks ago they were the reason for the down grade?

Alinsky's Rule #5

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Where do I get this crap? Try the real world!
FACT: Workers wages are where they were in the 1980's in Real Dollars! Who has benefited? Try the wealthy, because the flat wages enhanced the bottom line. That in itself explain the working middle class losing out in the US economy, while the wealthy have gained in the economy. When someone loses, some else wins. This isn't rocket science, it's just that simple.! Plutocracy in action! The Tea Party and people like you want to keep on pushing Main Street America off the cliff. I'd bet many of those same people are part of Main Street America and are in fact, shooting themselves in the foot.
In a Plutocratic world, the American version of capitalism doesn't work. Two-thirds of the US capitalistic economy is driven by consumer spending. The middle class is the heart of consumer spending. When the middle class has less expendable wealth, the capitalistic economy falters because of the lack of participation of the middle class (See the Great Depression). Right now the middle class isn't spending, there is no demand, with no demand there is no supply. Supply and demand, supply and demand, isn't that the very basics of a capitalistic economy?
And please explain the moral justicfication of just the middle class and poor being responsible for righting America's economic ship, where as the wealthy who have factually benefited in an economy that needs fixing, just slide on by as far as realizing any responsibility?

When someone loses, some else wins.

My favorite economic fallacy.
Did you lose because Bill Gates created Windows and is now worth $56 billion?
Please explain how? Be as precise as you can. Thanks!

How that fits into the disucssion I was having regarding the plight of the middle class losing out in the blossomimg Plutocratic economic system is beyond me. Seems to be a diversion away from the subject at hand.
Bill Gates enhanced the office workplace and home user environment, the only ones who lost were his competitors. Bu, since you brought up Bill Gates;

Bill Gates backs 'rich tax' for his home town state
Read more: Bill Gates backs 'rich tax' for his home town state | Mail Online

Someone got rich, he must have done it by ripping off the middle class (or the poor, LOL!).

Bill Gates, the second richest man in the world, isn't a plutocrat? Why not?

 

[kiwiman127]

When someone loses, some else wins.

My favorite economic fallacy.
Did you lose because Bill Gates created Windows and is now worth $56 billion?
Please explain how? Be as precise as you can. Thanks!

How that fits into the disucssion I was having regarding the plight of the middle class losing out in the blossomimg Plutocratic economic system is beyond me. Seems to be a diversion away from the subject at hand.
Bill Gates enhanced the office workplace and home user environment, the only ones who lost were his competitors. Bu, since you brought up Bill Gates;

Bill Gates backs 'rich tax' for his home town state
Read more: Bill Gates backs 'rich tax' for his home town state | Mail Online

Someone got rich, he must have done it by ripping off the middle class (or the poor, LOL!).

Bill Gates, the second richest man in the world, isn't a plutocrat? Why not?

As Bill Gates does not appear to put wealth over health, education, or the environment for US citizens, thusly he may be wealthy but he has interest in spreading his wealth and the betterment of the less fortunate.
You know, I can see there are people on this board who need to step back and get a clue about things not included in their ideology.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How that fits into the disucssion I was having regarding the plight of the middle class losing out in the blossomimg Plutocratic economic system is beyond me. Seems to be a diversion away from the subject at hand.
Bill Gates enhanced the office workplace and home user environment, the only ones who lost were his competitors. Bu, since you brought up Bill Gates;

Bill Gates backs 'rich tax' for his home town state
Read more: Bill Gates backs 'rich tax' for his home town state | Mail Online

Someone got rich, he must have done it by ripping off the middle class (or the poor, LOL!).

Bill Gates, the second richest man in the world, isn't a plutocrat? Why not?

As Bill Gates does not appear to put wealth over health, education, or the environment for US citizens, thusly he may be wealthy but he has interest in spreading his wealth and the betterment of the less fortunate.
You know, I can see there are people on this board who need to step back and get a clue about things not included in their ideology.

Please give me a list of the billionaires who do appear to put wealth over health, education, or the environment for US citizens.

You know, I can see there are people on this board who need to step back and get a clue about things not included in their ideology

Yeah, but enough about you.