If The Senate shuts this down....

[B. Kidd]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of Independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

/—-/ After a three year witch hunt, they are counting on new evidence and witnesses? Why did Piglosi rush the vote if they weren’t ready?

And besides, the Dimm's new 'plant' Parnas was talking similar crap way back in Oct. that he is now; yet, the House Intelligence Committee failed to call him as a witness!

 

[Markle]

If the Senate does not impeach him (he has not been yet) then the Democrats will initiate actions against the senators

For what?

 

[Rye Catcher]

So far no convincing post has been presented by the supporters of trump. I suppose the theory of their defense is that everyone but they and trump are liars. The irony which they will never admit, and likely can't even comprehend, is that lying to mislead the public is daily ritual coming from the White House and the words of The President at rallies, pressers and in tweets.

You cannot prove a negative. You also cannot prove someone innocent. Hence, that is our system of justice.

It used to be our system of justice, it changed when the GOP members of Congress continued to attack HRC, and disappeared when trump led his mob in the chant, "lock her up".

BTW, your comment does not jib with my post, your dishonesty is noted once again. I can provide evidence which is probative and no credible rebuttal can attest that trump is not a consummate liar.

Probative? You have NOTHING except hearsay.

Another echo of the meme. How sad. As the evidence piles on, you and other trump supporters will remain steadfast in conspiracy theories and echoes of memes passed around on the internet.

 

[B. Kidd]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of Independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

this is a bogus impeachment
there is nothing to sweep under the rug
the Dems are just doing this for political propaganda
they have now made impeachment meaningless

Yupp!

Synonymous to jaywalking and/or a noise disturbance.

 

[occupied]

We already know republicans want a permanent one-party state and an absolute plutocratic ruler.

That's the Democrats you're speaking of. Why do you think they became the anti-white party? They are doing it because once the white majority is gone, they can have a single-party government forever. Just look how other groups vote.

I don't see anything about white bread run of the mill rural dumbasses that is worth preserving if it means we have to forfeit fair elections and government accountability.

Neither does the rest of your ilk. That's why they became the anti-white party.

President Johnson said something to the effect that if you tell the dumbest least educated white shithead that he is better than the best educated, hardest working black man then he will let you pick his pocket forever. That's the essence of your "pro-white" party.

If what I say actually happens, and the Democrat party takes total control of the country indefinitely, that will start the end of the great experiment. It will quickly go to Socialist, and eventually Communist. It's why they have to be stopped.

The Communists said many years ago they would take over this country; but not with one bullet fired. They will takeover peacefully from within.

The republican party will be fine if they reinvent themselves into something that serves the people better. There is a definite place in American politics for conservatism, it's just kind of sick with plutocracy and racism right now.

 

[White 6]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of Independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

/—-/ After a three year witch hunt, they are counting on new evidence and witnesses? Why did Piglosi rush the vote if they weren’t ready?

And besides, the Dimm's new 'plant' Parnas was talking similar crap way back in Oct. that he is now; yet, the House Intelligence Committee failed to call him as a witness!

Parnas value is not ascertained. I have never trusted Russians and their many links to this Putin puppet in the White House. I have personally met a Russian traitor, while on active duty. I thought he was scum, not to be trusted, even if he was now supposed to be our scum, or maybe because he was now supposed to be our scum. As you might guess, we didn't shake hands.

 

[B. Kidd]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of Independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

/—-/ After a three year witch hunt, they are counting on new evidence and witnesses? Why did Piglosi rush the vote if they weren’t ready?

And besides, the Dimm's new 'plant' Parnas was talking similar crap way back in Oct. that he is now; yet, the House Intelligence Committee failed to call him as a witness!

Parnas value is not ascertained. I have never trusted Russians and their many links to this Putin puppet in the White House. I have personally met a Russian traitor, while on active duty. I thought he was scum, not to be trusted, even if he was now supposed to be our scum, or maybe because he was now supposed to be our scum. As you might guess, we didn't shake hands.

But Parnas is not a Russian.
He's Ukrainian!!!
How did you treat them? Shoot 'em?

Ukrainians are a whole other animal.

 

[White 6]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of Independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

/—-/ After a three year witch hunt, they are counting on new evidence and witnesses? Why did Piglosi rush the vote if they weren’t ready?

And besides, the Dimm's new 'plant' Parnas was talking similar crap way back in Oct. that he is now; yet, the House Intelligence Committee failed to call him as a witness!

Parnas value is not ascertained. I have never trusted Russians and their many links to this Putin puppet in the White House. I have personally met a Russian traitor, while on active duty. I thought he was scum, not to be trusted, even if he was now supposed to be our scum, or maybe because he was now supposed to be our scum. As you might guess, we didn't shake hands.

But Parnas is not a Russian.
He's Ukrainian!!!
How did you treat them? Shoot 'em?

Never met one or visited that beak away republic from the old Soviet. Pretty sure he speaks fluent Russian. Equally sure, GRU plain clothed personnel are plentiful throughout that trouble country. One of it's many problems, but typical of old Soviet Spetznaz tactics, I've studied.

 

[hadit]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

How is calling witnesses fair? The House did not call these people, so why should the Senate? You numbers are indicative of the poor education these people received. Most of them probably don't vote.

Lies.

The house did call these people. tRump obstructed.

What makes you think they'll be any more successful this time around?

 

[hadit]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of Independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

Unfortunately republicans will march lock step with trump and mcconnell.

The last thing republicans want is for the whole truth to be shown to the American public.

This trial will be nothing but a joke. It will further divide our nation and do a lot of harm.

I sure hope that we have an honest and fair election in November. If we do, the republicans will not have much of a chance for reelection. Which is one of the reasons why mcconnell and the rest of the republicans are doing all they can to prevent the whole truth from being shown to the American public.

Whoa, you have evidence that's not been revealed? Don't you think you should have let Pelosi know before this so she could use it?

 

[JWBooth]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of Independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

Thoughts? I love kabuki theatre.

 

[hadit]

I like to believe that most Americans agree that this should at least look like justice has been served. The form of the trial leaves senators plenty of time to examine their life choices that led to this sorry situation where conservative lawyers will be arguing that abuse of power and obstruction are not impeachable offenses. It's anyone's guess if it will goad any of them to honor their oaths.

You mean like the partisan hit job by the House?

Sucks for Trump all he has in defense is to attack the process like some obviously guilty Mob boss. He is counting entirely on every republican putting him before the party and the country,

So your whole defense of the third Riech style impeachment is sucks for Trump. Rules were set in place during Johnsons impeachment. They were again agreed upon when it looked like Nixon would be impeached. They were again agreed upon when Clinton was impeached. So we have over 140 years of agreement on the rules of an impeachment. Suddenly the democrats want it changed because : well Trump won an election.
When Clinton was impeached democrats were grabbing every microphone they could and yelling that impeachment MUST NEVER be partisan. Now not only was it completely partisan but they could not even get a completely partisan vote.

The Dems claimed that impeachment was a sad and very somber affair. Yet during the signing they were handing out souvenirs, laughing, shaking hands. The only thing missing from the party was champagne and the dancing girls.

The Dems claimed that there was such a danger to our country that they could not take the time for courts to make a decision on exectiutive privalage. Yet sat on the articles for almost a month. Now faced with the fact that there might not be enough to assure a case in the senate but that things might be treated as partisan in the senate as it was in the house Dems want to impugn the republicans.

If the senate has to call witnesses and documents, has to make the trial for the house then there is no need for the house at all in the impeachment process.
Now suddenly it has occurred to Warren and Bernie that this has been timed to keep them out of the caucuses and push Biden into the forefront.
How do you think that Bernies people will react with him being cheated a second time?

Looks as if it is dirty, partisan politics as usual for the Dems. Lie, cheat, change anything needed to gain the control they want.

Bernie's followers should make absolutely sure to vote for no democrats next year.

 

[Markle]

President Johnson said something to the effect that if you tell the dumbest least educated white shithead that he is better than the best educated, hardest working black man then he will let you pick his pocket forever. That's the essence of your "pro-white" party.

 

[B. Kidd]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of Independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

/—-/ After a three year witch hunt, they are counting on new evidence and witnesses? Why did Piglosi rush the vote if they weren’t ready?

And besides, the Dimm's new 'plant' Parnas was talking similar crap way back in Oct. that he is now; yet, the House Intelligence Committee failed to call him as a witness!

Parnas value is not ascertained. I have never trusted Russians and their many links to this Putin puppet in the White House. I have personally met a Russian traitor, while on active duty. I thought he was scum, not to be trusted, even if he was now supposed to be our scum, or maybe because he was now supposed to be our scum. As you might guess, we didn't shake hands.

But Parnas is not a Russian.
He's Ukrainian!!!
How did you treat them? Shoot 'em?

Never met one or visited that beak away republic from the old Soviet. Pretty sure he speaks fluent Russian. Equally sure, GRU plain clothed personnel are plentiful throughout that trouble country. One of it's many problems, but typical of old Soviet Spetznaz tactics, I've studied.

Most Russians are loyal to Mother Russia.
Ukrainians sell themselves out to the highest bidder.
They've worked at one time in history for Russian Czars; and at another time for Adolph Hitler.
Last time I checked, Ukrainians are sort of split right now.

 

[it_is_the_light]

 

[White 6]

/—-/ After a three year witch hunt, they are counting on new evidence and witnesses? Why did Piglosi rush the vote if they weren’t ready?

And besides, the Dimm's new 'plant' Parnas was talking similar crap way back in Oct. that he is now; yet, the House Intelligence Committee failed to call him as a witness!

Parnas value is not ascertained. I have never trusted Russians and their many links to this Putin puppet in the White House. I have personally met a Russian traitor, while on active duty. I thought he was scum, not to be trusted, even if he was now supposed to be our scum, or maybe because he was now supposed to be our scum. As you might guess, we didn't shake hands.

But Parnas is not a Russian.
He's Ukrainian!!!
How did you treat them? Shoot 'em?

Never met one or visited that beak away republic from the old Soviet. Pretty sure he speaks fluent Russian. Equally sure, GRU plain clothed personnel are plentiful throughout that trouble country. One of it's many problems, but typical of old Soviet Spetznaz tactics, I've studied.

Most Russians are loyal to Mother Russia.
Ukrainians sell themselves out to the highest bidder.
They've worked at one time in history for Russian Czars; and at another time for Adolph Hitler.
Last time I checked, Ukrainians are sort of split right now.

You make Ukrainians sound like some of the unnamed, yet paid posters on this message board. Ukrainians will have to sort it out, or fall back in-line under the new Soviet, as it continues to try to take back the breakaways. I wish the Ukrainians good luck in their resistance. They are the 2nd largest geographic nation over there with 2nd largest military and back right up to NATO. Can't imagine why Russia is interested in them, can you?

 

[karpenter]

If what I say actually happens, and the Democrat party takes total control of the country indefinitely, that will start the end of the great experiment. It will quickly go to Socialist, and eventually Communist. It's why they have to be stopped.

The Communists said many years ago they would take over this country; but not with one bullet fired. They will takeover peacefully from within.

This:

"We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism, until they suddenly awake to find they have communism."
--- Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev

 

[hadit]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of Independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

We don't care. Just end this fiasco.

For what? They will just start another one. And they will continue to hound Trump until his last day in office. Hopefully, they lose the House and we pickup more seats in the Senate. That would shut them up for Trump's second term.

Well, it would render them impotent, but nothing will shut them up. An asteroid could strike, wiping out a city, and they'd still be squawking about him.

 

[B. Kidd]

And besides, the Dimm's new 'plant' Parnas was talking similar crap way back in Oct. that he is now; yet, the House Intelligence Committee failed to call him as a witness!

Parnas value is not ascertained. I have never trusted Russians and their many links to this Putin puppet in the White House. I have personally met a Russian traitor, while on active duty. I thought he was scum, not to be trusted, even if he was now supposed to be our scum, or maybe because he was now supposed to be our scum. As you might guess, we didn't shake hands.

But Parnas is not a Russian.
He's Ukrainian!!!
How did you treat them? Shoot 'em?

Never met one or visited that beak away republic from the old Soviet. Pretty sure he speaks fluent Russian. Equally sure, GRU plain clothed personnel are plentiful throughout that trouble country. One of it's many problems, but typical of old Soviet Spetznaz tactics, I've studied.

Most Russians are loyal to Mother Russia.
Ukrainians sell themselves out to the highest bidder.
They've worked at one time in history for Russian Czars; and at another time for Adolph Hitler.
Last time I checked, Ukrainians are sort of split right now.

You make Ukrainians sound like some of the unnamed, yet paid posters on this message board. Ukrainians will have to sort it out, or fall back in-line under the new Soviet, as it continues to try to take back the breakaways. I wish the Ukrainians good luck in their resistance. They are the 2nd largest geographic nation over there with 2nd largest military and back right up to NATO. Can't imagine why Russia is interested in them, can you?

Russia got their warm water port in 2014.
If they truly wanted Kiev, they've had almost 6 years to take it!
Logic dictates that they don't really want it!

 

[hadit]

Ironic, since you are posting in a thread started on the premise of attacking the process.

I took the OP to be speculation on the open question of how many republican senators will just go along with trying to sweep it all under the rug in spite of the damage it will do to the republican party. The political calculations being done by republicans right now must be a cause of great torment to them. They earned this mess by telling the president he had their unconditional support no matter what.

Not like Dems haven't been squirming since Trump won.
This whole affair is in hopes that they can either force Trump out or create enough dislike to make their candidate look better.

To tell the truth I hope that Trump wins a second term, the house and senate go to the Republicans with enough of a lean that no matter what is proposed the Dems don't have enough to shut it down.

Then just for giggles I would love the house to propose to exhonerarte his impeachment just I could watch Pelosi have a stroke.

We already know republicans want a permanent one-party state and an absolute plutocratic ruler.

That's the Democrats you're speaking of. Why do you think they became the anti-white party? They are doing it because once the white majority is gone, they can have a single-party government forever. Just look how other groups vote.

I don't see anything about white bread run of the mill rural dumbasses that is worth preserving if it means we have to forfeit fair elections and government accountability.

"Fair elections" =/= democrats winning. IOW, you don't get to squeal "unfair" just because Republicans win.