If the Red states seceeded

[BlackSand]

As the states leave (one by one) their representatives would be kicked out of congress, which would slowly turn democratic majority. Trump would remain president, and it would be up to the states that left, to form a government.

BTW if texas is going to leave, do it fast, before we spend another dollar on hurricane Harvey.

States have a government and a Constitution if they choose to leave.
Just like it is odd you would mention Hurricane Harvey and not Hurricane Irma ... I mean what states do you think are Blue ...

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[radical right]

And don't forget about the Russian gambit. When a state leaves the USA, it would no longer come under our military protection, and Russia could threaten to nuke it, without the USA fighting back.

OF course many of those states have nuclear weapons, but the pentagon in Washington DC, has the nuclear arming codes, which they wouldn't / couldn/t give to a foreign state.

 

[radical right]

Split the USA in half, and Russia becomes the worlds super power.

So i'm wondering if russian bots are the one's pushing for succession.

 

[BlackSand]

And don't forget about the Russian gambit. When a state leaves the USA, it would no longer come under our military protection, and Russia could threaten to nuke it, without the USA fighting back.

OF course many of those states have nuclear weapons, but the pentagon in Washington DC, has the nuclear arming codes, which they wouldn't / couldn/t give to a foreign state.

What makes you think the military would side with the existing government.
What makes you think the nuclear launch facilities cannot be re-coded.
What makes you think Russia wouldn't go after the Blue States first ...

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[Redfish]

Calexit, or Calmexico. Go for it.

 

[Redfish]

Calico, the pussy nation.

 

[miketx]

America would be far better off without these deadbeat states.

-They are the real takers
-They hold America back
-They're third world

Soon after that secession, clowns like you would see how wrong you have been your entires wasted life.

 

[radical right]

What makes you think the military would side with the existing government.
What makes you think the nuclear launch facilities cannot be re-coded.
What makes you think Russia wouldn't go after the Blue States first ...

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Because we spent 20 years to perfect nuclear triggers that do a self destruct if tampered with. They would have to make all new nuclear triggers, which takes time. We thought this out carefully to make sure if a nuke fell into enemy hands, like a B-52 forced to land in enemy territory, they couldn't use it against us.

 

[bodecea]

Let's say that in the U.S., the rural Midwest along with a chunk of the rural South and Alaska seceded form the Union. Let's say the rural Midwest plus the Dakotas all the way down to the Gulf of Mexico (including Texas) plus Alaska. They're not trying to overthrow the existing government of the U.S. and dictate life to the remaining part of the country, simply trying to leave and start their own government. Now, their reasons for doing so have nothing to do with anything anywhere near as morally reprehensible as slavery. Let's say it actually IS economic reasons that caused this situation in this particular case.

If you were President of the U.S., would you send in the tanks, the infantry, and the planes to carpet bomb cities like Minneapolis MN and Lincoln NE to the ground and basically kill enough of them to the point where they agree to come back against their will in chains and vow to be part of your nation again as long as you promise to stop killing them and their families?

I would suggest a non-violent alternative. We could use economic sanctions to prevent them from trading with anyone. That's right, no goods in or out of the their country. We would starve them out. They would come back before their families died and beg to become part of the Union again. They would have only an isolated geographical region. There are certain crops such as olives, coconuts, and pineapples that they simply cannot grow in sufficient numbers. I would use their lack of sufficient agricultural diversity to make them understand why we need each other.

No...secession's legality can be worked out in the courts. Keep in mind that the secession of 1860 was peaceful....it was after the South decided to fire on the North that the war started. Do you think those Red states would remain peaceful? Do you think that they would remain so when the US refused to give up our Federal installations in those now-seceded states?

Of course, those red states will never secede......they'd never get the majority of their people to go along.....attached too firmly to the federal money teat.

 

[bodecea]

Let's say that in the U.S., the rural Midwest along with a chunk of the rural South and Alaska seceded form the Union. Let's say the rural Midwest plus the Dakotas all the way down to the Gulf of Mexico (including Texas) plus Alaska. They're not trying to overthrow the existing government of the U.S. and dictate life to the remaining part of the country, simply trying to leave and start their own government. Now, their reasons for doing so have nothing to do with anything anywhere near as morally reprehensible as slavery. Let's say it actually IS economic reasons that caused this situation in this particular case.

If you were President of the U.S., would you send in the tanks, the infantry, and the planes to carpet bomb cities like Minneapolis MN and Lincoln NE to the ground and basically kill enough of them to the point where they agree to come back against their will in chains and vow to be part of your nation again as long as you promise to stop killing them and their families?

I would suggest a non-violent alternative. We could use economic sanctions to prevent them from trading with anyone. That's right, no goods in or out of the their country. We would starve them out. They would come back before their families died and beg to become part of the Union again. They would have only an isolated geographical region. There are certain crops such as olives, coconuts, and pineapples that they simply cannot grow in sufficient numbers. I would use their lack of sufficient agricultural diversity to make them understand why we need each other.

Yeah. And we'll starve you fuckers out of energy...AND food supply. And, we get to keep all the goodies here in Texas with which to destroy your punk asses, including three of the largest military aircraft manufacturers. Go ahead and try to starve us. Please. Try your hardest. When that goes over like a fart at a funeral, you can try the military option.

Why would you starve the U.S. out of energy? We get a lot of our oil from Canada and Mexico....plus, your "new" country would need to trade to make $$$ right? And the same for food....you'll need to trade, right? And we'd have California and PA and NY anyways.....you may be ignorant enough to not know that most of PA and NY are farmland. And as for those military aircraft manufacturers...you think they are going to stick with a broke new country or go where their money has always come from....the U.S.?

 

[bodecea]

America would be far better off without these deadbeat states.

-They are the real takers
-They hold America back
-They're third world

You'd starve to fucking death w/o the Midwest and south.

fucking leftists are so goddamn dumb it's shocking

No we wouldn't....and what would your Midwest and South do with your grown food? Keep it and let it rot or sell it to us for pay for the infrastructure of your "new" country?

 

[radical right]

No we wouldn't....and what would your Midwest and South do with your grown food? Keep it and let it rot or sell it to us for pay for the infrastructure of your "new" country?

How did the northern states manage to feed themselves during the civil war?

 

[BlackSand]

Because we spent 20 years to perfect nuclear triggers that do a self destruct if tampered with. They would have to make all new nuclear triggers, which takes time. We thought this out carefully to make sure if a nuke fell into enemy hands, like a B-52 forced to land in enemy territory, they couldn't use it against us.

So ... Where do you think the US Strategic Air Command with B-52's and their Nuclear Arsenal is?
Where do you think the Cyber Command Center is?


Edit:
If you need a hint ... They are across the river from the original home of the Confederacy.

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[BluesLegend]

No we wouldn't....and what would your Midwest and South do with your grown food? Keep it and let it rot or sell it to us for pay for the infrastructure of your "new" country?

How did the northern states manage to feed themselves during the civil war?

Typical know nothing liberal, go look at NY State on google maps see the millions of acres of forest, that used to be farm land.

 

[radical right]

So ... Where do you think the US Strategic Air Command with B-52's and their Nuclear Arsenal is?
Where do you think the Cyber Command Center is?

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The pentagon in washington dc are where the PAL codes are safeguarded.

Permissive Action Link - Wikipedia

A Permissive Action Link (PAL) is a security device for nuclear weapons. Its purpose is to prevent unauthorized arming or detonation of the nuclear weapon.

The weapon renders itself inoperable if an activation code is entered incorrectly multiple times. This precludes attempts to bypass the PAL codes through trial and error. The weapon must be returned to a maintenance facility in order to work again

 

[BluesLegend]

There would be massive food shortages in blue states within a week, those punks would fold like a cheap lawn chair.

 

[radical right]

There would be massive food shortages in blue states within a week, those punks would fold like a cheap lawn chair.

let then eat twinkies.

 

[BlackSand]

So ... Where do you think the US Strategic Air Command with B-52's and their Nuclear Arsenal is?
Where do you think the Cyber Command Center is?

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The pentagon in washington dc are where the PAL codes are safeguarded.

Permissive Action Link - Wikipedia

A Permissive Action Link (PAL) is a security device for nuclear weapons. Its purpose is to prevent unauthorized arming or detonation of the nuclear weapon.

The weapon renders itself inoperable if an activation code is entered incorrectly multiple times. This precludes attempts to bypass the PAL codes through trial and error. The weapon must be returned to a maintenance facility in order to work again

The Strategic Air Command has the codes you nit-wit.
By the way ... Where is the Strategic Petroleum Reserve?

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[radical right]

The Strategic Air Command has the codes you nit-wit.

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The codes would be transferred as soon as there was a threat of them falling into enemy territory. Trump would remain the only one in control of the nuclear arsenal.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

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Let me get this straight...

You think you're going too starve out the breadbasket of the United States which also includes a manufacturing base for military weapons and other machines. Along with oil reserves and most the windmills for power generation. Then there'll be lots of left over corn and soybeans to make fuel when the heavily populated sections of the country put economic sanctions on the breadbasket sections and refuses trade for the food they require.

Have I missed anything here?

Hey! Good luck with that...

*****CHUCKLE*****

they can send US all their corn and oil and we will send couple of Iphones and a Tesla....saludos from California.
The blue states can do much better without the red states and the federal government.

^^^I only need a simple phone^^^^

^^^^and I need a real vehicle.^^^

You can keep your I have to be socially connected at all times and if it isn't paved I can't drive bullcrap in the heavily populated areas. I have work to do..

Hey does $20-$30 a bushel for corn sound like a fair price to you and $100 a pound for T-bone or is that to inexpensive?

*****CHUCKLE*****