If the Germans can do Why not the Americans? 20% Renewable Sources

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    20% of their energy comes from renewable sources, including 10% solar. They are an industrialized energy using country with a sizable population like America, but not a huge land mass or in a desert region where it's sunny all day long, unlike America. Why can we not get there also?

    Solar, Wind and Biomass make up less than 1% of our energy sources!

     
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    Here's a clue...

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    There's about 150KWatts of solar right there..

    Really want to be "like Europe"? I thought those suckers were pulling us down the economic tubes fast enough. Germany just threw a hissy fit. Cut tons of solar/wind subsidies, threatened to decomm their nuclear.. They will be burning Spaten beer in a few years.. That would be biomass of course.. It's what greens call a garbage incinerator.. Have at it...
     
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    If the Germans can do Why not the Americans? 20% Renewable Sources



    because they are backing out of subsidizing it.....and are worried that its a market loser.


    * June 5, 2012, 6:56 p.m. ET

    Europe's Green Energy Suicide
    If it's cheap and plentiful—even low in carbon-dioxide emissions—much of the continent wants no part of it.

    As austerity bites into European living standards, sparking revolt at the polls, "growth" has become the politician's mantra. But to be competitive, European countries require a secure, plentiful and competitively priced energy supply. Unless Europe radically rethinks its obsession with carbon-dioxide emissions and the anti-fossil fuel energy policies that flow from it, growth is likely to remain elusive.

    European Union law mandates that the 27 member countries on average cut their C02 emissions 20% by 2020, compared to 1990 levels. The goal after that is to cut emissions by between 80% and 95% by 2050. In May 2010, a study by the European Commission's energy department estimated the 20% cut would cost 48 billion euros ($66.3 billion) a year. The Commission's draft Energy Roadmap for 2050 is frank: "There is a trade-off between climate change policies and competitiveness."

    There is indeed. The consultancy Verso Economics has calculated the opportunity cost of the United Kingdom's subsidy system for renewables to be 10,000 jobs between 2009 and 2010 alone. A report by the Energy Intensive Users Group (which represents energy-intensive British businesses) and the Trades Union Congress cited steel making, ceramics, paper, cement and lime manufacture, aluminum and basic inorganic chemicals as industries facing up to 141% in additional energy costs by 2020 as a result of C02 emissions-reduction schemes. EIUG Director Jeremy Nicholson notes that "the current policies do seem to be angled towards creating a market for overseas competitors."

    more at-

    Rael Jean Isaac: Europe's Green Energy Suicide - WSJ.com
     
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    Germany doesn't have a corrupt EPA that is the political arm of liberals.

    Oh.....and Germans are much more honest as a whole as well as self-reliant than most Americans.
     
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    Who said be like Europe? I said be like Germany! There are a few aspects of other countries that I admire other than America. America is still tops overall in many many ways.

    Countries I admire are - Germany, Canada, Austrailia, Israel, Chile, Japan and UAE! All for different and various reasons!
     
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    All fine choices for countries demonstrating your good taste.. The list of "green" alternatives -- not so much.. What we've learned from those indulgences into "alternatives" is that NONE of them are alternatives by definition.. They are supplements at best. So there is a practical limit to their % composition in any grid.
     
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    Because it would infringe on Americans' constitutional right to burn as much hydrocarbons as they damn well please!!!
     
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    20% in a small country in Germany isn't like 20% in a country the size of the United States.
     
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    Huh?
    We have thousands and thousands of acres of plains and desert areas that would be ideal for solar and wind energy, not to mention having solar panels on homes in cities.
     
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    I for one don't want to uglify our open wild spaces with solar panels and windmills.

    We have more than enough acreage of south and south west facing rooftops that we could exploit for solar panels at a much lower cost than large scale solar farms

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/energy/215070-large-scale-small-scale-solar.html#post5023665
     

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