If the democrats care about the working class

No answer in defense of the democrats?
Why increase the numbers of workers when so many Citizens are out of a job?
 
What are you talking about? The Dream Act? What?

What? Did the twenty million give you a clue?

Well I guess you are meaning the highest estimate of the number of Illegal Immigrants. Look once again, if they are undocumented, how are you suppose to find them? Pull over every mexican, profile? Yeah that sounds like what a free nation does. Punishs you for being different and makes your life harder because you look like someone who might be illegal.

"Well they should just submit to it because its for the good of the country."

Okay then what about full body scans. It can be argued that they are for the good of the country that everyone does it. But no that violates the fourth amendment, you know unreasonable search and seizures. Oh but white people are all up in arms about it so its against the law. But we will allow policeman to stop every mexican and search them for their ID even if they are outside of their house.

See the problem, unless you have proof that they are here illegally, you can't just ship out all Mexicans. What we are already doing is helping. What more could you do that doesn't violate the consitution and the civil rights of ALL Americans.
 
What are you talking about? The Dream Act? What?

What? Did the twenty million give you a clue?

Well I guess you are meaning the highest estimate of the number of Illegal Immigrants. Look once again, if they are undocumented, how are you suppose to find them? Pull over every mexican, profile? Yeah that sounds like what a free nation does. Punishs you for being different and makes your life harder because you look like someone who might be illegal.

"Well they should just submit to it because its for the good of the country."

Okay then what about full body scans. It can be argued that they are for the good of the country that everyone does it. But no that violates the fourth amendment, you know unreasonable search and seizures. Oh but white people are all up in arms about it so its against the law. But we will allow policeman to stop every mexican and search them for their ID even if they are outside of their house.

See the problem, unless you have proof that they are here illegally, you can't just ship out all Mexicans. What we are already doing is helping. What more could you do that doesn't violate the consitution and the civil rights of ALL Americans.

The highest estimate or the lowest estimate doesn't matter when you have almost 10 percent of Americans on unemployment. and that is an under the estimate number. It's more like 17 percent.
 
Why are they tring to force Twenty million new citizens on the people of this country?
To create a larger pool of poor people, that way they can cut salaries further and reduce living standards for the people already in America, after all that's the only sane reason.
...all the while making empty promises they have no intention to fulfill, and blaming Republicans for everything, thus ensuring a new bloc of loyal Democrat voters.
 
Why are they tring to force Twenty million new citizens on the people of this country?
To create a larger pool of poor people, that way they can cut salaries further and reduce living standards for the people already in America, after all that's the only sane reason.
...all the while making empty promises they have no intention to fulfill, and blaming Republicans for everything, thus ensuring a new bloc of loyal Democrat voters.
Yep, and if that doesn't work they can paint all Republicans as being KKK members, religious extremists, and rich evil white men.
 
What are you talking about? The Dream Act? What?

What? Did the twenty million give you a clue?

Well I guess you are meaning the highest estimate of the number of Illegal Immigrants. Look once again, if they are undocumented, how are you suppose to find them? Pull over every mexican, profile? Yeah that sounds like what a free nation does. Punishs you for being different and makes your life harder because you look like someone who might be illegal.

"Well they should just submit to it because its for the good of the country."

Okay then what about full body scans. It can be argued that they are for the good of the country that everyone does it. But no that violates the fourth amendment, you know unreasonable search and seizures. Oh but white people are all up in arms about it so its against the law. But we will allow policeman to stop every mexican and search them for their ID even if they are outside of their house.

See the problem, unless you have proof that they are here illegally, you can't just ship out all Mexicans. What we are already doing is helping. What more could you do that doesn't violate the consitution and the civil rights of ALL Americans.

I don't think it's just white people that have a problem with being zapped with enough radiation to equal 100 x-rays or being felt up by security. Don't get racial.

I guess we can't ask suspects anymore so we might as well stop trying, right? Those poor illegals are just going to get ice-cream with their kids. They're not standing on the street waiting for day-jobs that an out of work citizen could do just to feed his family. Citizens that may be Hispanic themselves.
 
Why are they tring to force Twenty million new citizens on the people of this country?
To create a larger pool of poor people, that way they can cut salaries further and reduce living standards for the people already in America, after all that's the only sane reason.
...all the while making empty promises they have no intention to fulfill, and blaming Republicans for everything, thus ensuring a new bloc of loyal Democrat voters.

Yup. Point a finger at the GOP. Promise something they can't deliver and know would be disastrous....and when it doesn't happen go ahead and blame the GOP again. :dance:

It's perfect. Ether way....the responsible Congressional members will be demonized while the irresponsible ones will look like heroes.

Now we've had a class on why politics is so fucked up.
 
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The Democratic party is the party of the working man, about as much as the Republican Party is the party of fiscal conservatism.

Take a look at who supported FREE TRADE...the Democrats and the Republicans

Then take a look at who spent so much money foolishly ...the Republicans and the Democrats.

Hmmmm...looks like simplistic pronoucements about what the parties stand for is a load of bullocks to me.

The parties, both of them, are the party of the insiders.

Small wonder since its the insiders who gave those parties the money to conduct their activities.

Only 10% of the population EVER donate to candidates or parties.

What a non-suprise to discover that the vast majority of laws and policies really only benefit about 10% of the population.

The GOLDEN RULE is in effect
 
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Can anybody tell me where the figure 12 million, or 20 million, comes from? Gets bandied around a lot as fact...yet I have never seen a provable source for that information.
 
Can anybody tell me where the figure 12 million, or 20 million, comes from? Gets bandied around a lot as fact...yet I have never seen a provable source for that information.

Nobody knows for sure. It's just an estimate.

Course when you know that thousands are coming over every week it is pretty much a certainty that it's a shit-load of people.
 
Why are they tring to force Twenty million new citizens on the people of this country?
To create a larger pool of poor people, that way they can cut salaries further and reduce living standards for the people already in America, after all that's the only sane reason.
...all the while making empty promises they have no intention to fulfill, and blaming Republicans for everything, thus ensuring a new bloc of loyal Democrat voters.

Bingo.

Its all about the hispanic vote.
 
both parties have worked hard to give mexicans a place in the us...dont think its just one party or the other....

do you see the gop deporting them....what would the cost of deportation be to the taxpayer....they are a cheap labor pool...benefitting both parties with a voting pool...you just wait....gop will have a plan soon too....bush never put the national guard on the borders..and the fence is a joke....neither party has gone after the business owners with hard fines and consequenses why is that
 

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