If statism is progress, why is history full of statism

[jillian]

and it never ended well? Wouldnt PROGRESS be learning from our mistakes?
Do the regressives understand, in this country alone, most of what you bitch about came from the GOVERNMENT?

You assume progressive morons have a brain.

as opposed to double digit IQ trumptards?

quiet, moron

Silly Jilly stop being so silly. This topic is way over your little silly head.

I know little boy... you've got nothing so you do the school year thing.

run along little boy... you're not smart enough to tie your own shoes. but again, it's so cute how you try to pretend you aren't a moron.

buh bye

Silly...put the gun down. It is not worth it.

in other words, you acknowledge you're a moron.

thanks for playing. stupid little troll boy.

 

[gipper]

You assume progressive morons have a brain.

as opposed to double digit IQ trumptards?

quiet, moron

Silly Jilly stop being so silly. This topic is way over your little silly head.

I know little boy... you've got nothing so you do the school year thing.

run along little boy... you're not smart enough to tie your own shoes. but again, it's so cute how you try to pretend you aren't a moron.

buh bye

Silly...put the gun down. It is not worth it.

in other words, you acknowledge you're a moron.

thanks for playing. stupid little troll boy.

Love you too Silly.

 

[BluesLegend]

and it never ended well? Wouldnt PROGRESS be learning from our mistakes?
Do the regressives understand, in this country alone, most of what you bitch about came from the GOVERNMENT?

You assume progressive morons have a brain.

as opposed to double digit IQ trumptards?

quiet, moron

Lib please I have to dumb it down for you people.

 

[konradv]

and it never ended well? Wouldnt PROGRESS be learning from our mistakes?
Do the regressives understand, in this country alone, most of what you bitch about came from the GOVERNMENT?

Strawman argument. You provide a premise to be defended without offering proof that "progressives" have made the assertion.

 

[gipper]

and it never ended well? Wouldnt PROGRESS be learning from our mistakes?
Do the regressives understand, in this country alone, most of what you bitch about came from the GOVERNMENT?

Strawman argument. You provide a premise to be defended without offering proof that "progressives" have made the assertion.

Now that is absurd.

What is the number one trademark of Progressive ideology? Of course, it is big unlimited government run by a small elite. If you don't know that, you have a lot to learn.

A progressive doesn't promote limited government. A progressive by their very nature, is a STATIST!!!

 

[konradv]

and it never ended well? Wouldn't PROGRESS be learning from our mistakes? Do the regressives understand, in this country alone, most of what you bitch about came from the GOVERNMENT?

Strawman argument. You provide a premise to be defended without offering proof that "progressives" have made the assertion.

Now that is absurd. What is the number one trademark of Progressive ideology? Of course, it is big unlimited government run by a small elite. If you don't know that, you have a lot to learn. A progressive doesn't promote limited government. A progressive by their very nature, is a STATIST!

Once again, strawman argument! You give us YOUR definition of "progressive" and then expect us to defend it. Perhaps you should read up before attempting such a transparent ploy in the future. Anyone with a half a brain isn't buying.

Straw man - Wikipedia

 

[FA_Q2]

You get a sense from conservatives that they have a utopian view of a perfect government and that somehow if they could just force that model on the population all would be 'great'. There are no perfect governments and never will be because they are not single entities they are made up of fallible corruptible human beings. And the very nature of government, the concentration of vast power and vast wealth draws the very people you don't want to have vast power and vast wealth. The greedy and the authoritarian. That doesn't mean all leaders are greedy or authoritarian it just means the payoff is what undesirable people crave. Hence you have corruption and cheating to gain that wealth and power and the best cheaters and most corrupt(ible), over time, gain those positions in government. Which fucks up the government, just as it does in corporations. Or any gathered group of humans who have no inner compass other than money or power.

Most forms of government would work but all of them are corrupted by the very flies drawn to the honey. The quotes on government are too numerous to list, thankfully they are readily available online.

“The heaviest penalty for declining to rule is to be ruled by someone inferior to yourself.” - Plato -

And of course “Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." - Winston Churchill -

That is exactly the opposite of the truth. Conservative do not have a 'utopian' view of government at all and certainty do not fight to force it on anyone. The very core of what they say they support is small government precisely because there is no utopian for of government - best leave the lions share of the power to the people and keep as much freedom as you can so each person can pursue their own happiness.

What you imply the conservatives do is what the liberals of today actually do - larger government forced on the population. That utopian view that if only government were to control things it would be better.

 

[IsaacNewton]

You get a sense from conservatives that they have a utopian view of a perfect government and that somehow if they could just force that model on the population all would be 'great'. There are no perfect governments and never will be because they are not single entities they are made up of fallible corruptible human beings. And the very nature of government, the concentration of vast power and vast wealth draws the very people you don't want to have vast power and vast wealth. The greedy and the authoritarian. That doesn't mean all leaders are greedy or authoritarian it just means the payoff is what undesirable people crave. Hence you have corruption and cheating to gain that wealth and power and the best cheaters and most corrupt(ible), over time, gain those positions in government. Which fucks up the government, just as it does in corporations. Or any gathered group of humans who have no inner compass other than money or power.

Most forms of government would work but all of them are corrupted by the very flies drawn to the honey. The quotes on government are too numerous to list, thankfully they are readily available online.

“The heaviest penalty for declining to rule is to be ruled by someone inferior to yourself.” - Plato -

And of course “Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." - Winston Churchill -

That is exactly the opposite of the truth. Conservative do not have a 'utopian' view of government at all and certainty do not fight to force it on anyone. The very core of what they say they support is small government precisely because there is no utopian for of government - best leave the lions share of the power to the people and keep as much freedom as you can so each person can pursue their own happiness.

What you imply the conservatives do is what the liberals of today actually do - larger government forced on the population. That utopian view that if only government were to control things it would be better.

You cling to this meme that conservatives like small government. They like big government whenever they ARE the government and they like small government when they aren't. All you have to do is look at spending whenever they have controlled the government the last 40 years. They ALWAYS overspend and run huge deficits that have increased the national debt by leaps and bounds.

You are simply fed daily how conservative like small government by Fox Fake News and conservative media. The truth is whenever conservatives have power they spend like drunken sailors on shore leave in Shanghai and attempt to codify their fake religion as law. The Republican masses believe in a fantasy that is created and perpetuated to make them feel good, the reality is the opposite.

 

[gipper]

and it never ended well? Wouldn't PROGRESS be learning from our mistakes? Do the regressives understand, in this country alone, most of what you bitch about came from the GOVERNMENT?

Strawman argument. You provide a premise to be defended without offering proof that "progressives" have made the assertion.

Now that is absurd. What is the number one trademark of Progressive ideology? Of course, it is big unlimited government run by a small elite. If you don't know that, you have a lot to learn. A progressive doesn't promote limited government. A progressive by their very nature, is a STATIST!

Once again, strawman argument! You give us YOUR definition of "progressive" and then expect us to defend it. Perhaps you should read up before attempting such a transparent ploy in the future. Anyone with a half a brain isn't buying.

Straw man - Wikipedia

Must you continue with your absurdity and dishonesty?

A progressive believes in the STATE. The STATE is what a progressive promotes and uses to force their beliefs on all the people. A progressive is a STATIST!!!

Your motto is
“All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.”

Here is a picture of two STATISTS!!!