If some peoples taxes are going up

[The Derp]

So, your argument is discrimination against people that make good money?

Taxation isn't discrimination.

Take your rhetoric elsewhere.

 

[Brain357]

Correct.

Wasnt that just two states though?
Also, i have no problem with that. They shouldnt be getting extra deductions because they live in a state with high taxes.
Deductions should be eliminated.

Not sure. Won't they be double taxed on same income? That hardly seems right.

Sounds like a problem only the high taxed state can figure out.
Is it right for me and other people that live in decently taxed states to subsidize them? Thats basically what it amounts to, isnt it?

I think it amounts to double taxation. Income in most those states tends to be much higher so they are still paying more in federal taxes.

But why is that everyone elses fault? Maybe their state should work on that if they are taxing them twice.

Well they are not now. The states punished do pay a lot of taxes.
Federal tax revenue by state - Wikipedia

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You know, I'm still wondering why the corporations are going to have their taxes cut permanently, while the rest of us average citizens will get tax breaks that will expire in 10 years.

And yeah, I'm going to be watching VERY closely when I file this time for taxes. Why? Because when I retired, I calculated what my withholdings should be so that the government didn't get to hold on to my money for a year and then send me a big rebate in April, but yet enough was withheld so that I didn't have to pay in anything either.

Generally, for the past 10 years or so, I usually end up with a rebate check of 2 to 3 dollars, or maybe I have to pay a dollar or two.

If my rates go up this time, I'm going to know immediately.

Isnt that how the corporate tax rate always is?

You know, Reagan tried to tell us that "trickle down" was a workable model for taxation, but it has yet to work.

Personally, I think that the tax cuts for the citizens should be permanent, and tell the corporations that we will cut their taxes for 10 years, but if they don't move jobs back to the USA, they will return to current rates after 10 years have passed.

That would incentivize companies to bring jobs back here.

Personally, i dont think we should be taxed on how much we earn. I would be ok with getting rid of the income tax period.
Raise federal sales tax

There is no federal sales tax, or did you forget that?

 

[The Derp]

So, your argument is discrimination against people that make good money?

Also, "good money"? How do you mean? What do you mean? Was this just a phrase you tossed off so that you could wiggle around the parameters of what you meant later on? Because that's what it seems like; you write a deliberately vague statement so that you can then retroactively correct "what you meant" later on, once you've painted yourself into a rhetorical corner.

I wouldn't consider money made in the casinos on Wall Street "good money", I wouldn't consider land deals with shady Russians "good money".

 

[Yousaidwhat]

why is the left bitching? Dont most of them say we should raise the tax rate?

The rich will sing to the heavens with this tax bill and you’ll get screwed and you’re still carrying Trump’s water.
Masochist or idiot?

How will i be screwed?

If the debt skyrockets we all could be.

Easy.

Cut spending.

 

[Old Rocks]

In a sane world, the wealthy would pay a higher percentage of their income than the middle class or the working poor. In a sane world, we would all pay a bit more and start bringing down the National Debt. But this is not a sane world. It is one where ignoramuses decide what is real science, one in which economic policies that have already failed twice, trickle down, are still being pushed by one of the major political parties.

 

[TNHarley]

So, your argument is discrimination against people that make good money?

Taxation isn't discrimination.

Take your rhetoric elsewhere.

If its not applied equally it is.

 

[TNHarley]

You know, I'm still wondering why the corporations are going to have their taxes cut permanently, while the rest of us average citizens will get tax breaks that will expire in 10 years.

And yeah, I'm going to be watching VERY closely when I file this time for taxes. Why? Because when I retired, I calculated what my withholdings should be so that the government didn't get to hold on to my money for a year and then send me a big rebate in April, but yet enough was withheld so that I didn't have to pay in anything either.

Generally, for the past 10 years or so, I usually end up with a rebate check of 2 to 3 dollars, or maybe I have to pay a dollar or two.

If my rates go up this time, I'm going to know immediately.

Isnt that how the corporate tax rate always is?

You know, Reagan tried to tell us that "trickle down" was a workable model for taxation, but it has yet to work.

Personally, I think that the tax cuts for the citizens should be permanent, and tell the corporations that we will cut their taxes for 10 years, but if they don't move jobs back to the USA, they will return to current rates after 10 years have passed.

That would incentivize companies to bring jobs back here.

Personally, i dont think we should be taxed on how much we earn. I would be ok with getting rid of the income tax period.
Raise federal sales tax

There is no federal sales tax, or did you forget that?

I said raise but i meant institute

 

[TNHarley]

So, your argument is discrimination against people that make good money?

Also, "good money"? How do you mean? What do you mean? Was this just a phrase you tossed off so that you could wiggle around the parameters of what you meant later on? Because that's what it seems like; you write a deliberately vague statement so that you can then retroactively correct "what you meant" later on, once you've painted yourself into a rhetorical corner.

I wouldn't consider money made in the casinos on Wall Street "good money", I wouldn't consider land deals with shady Russians "good money".

I meant "good" as the amount.

 

[TNHarley]

In a sane world, the wealthy would pay a higher percentage of their income than the middle class or the working poor. In a sane world, we would all pay a bit more and start bringing down the National Debt. But this is not a sane world. It is one where ignoramuses decide what is real science, one in which economic policies that have already failed twice, trickle down, are still being pushed by one of the major political parties.

By "sane" you mean forcing the ambitious and successful people to subsidize the weak? There is a word for that

 

[LoneLaugher]

why is the left bitching? Dont most of them say we should raise the tax rate?

Whoa!! Brilliant! You should get paid for this.

 

[The Derp]

Easy.
Cut spending.

Ok, what do you want to cut? Name something. Don't just be lazy and throw out an arbitrary number.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You know, I'm still wondering why the corporations are going to have their taxes cut permanently, while the rest of us average citizens will get tax breaks that will expire in 10 years.

And yeah, I'm going to be watching VERY closely when I file this time for taxes. Why? Because when I retired, I calculated what my withholdings should be so that the government didn't get to hold on to my money for a year and then send me a big rebate in April, but yet enough was withheld so that I didn't have to pay in anything either.

Generally, for the past 10 years or so, I usually end up with a rebate check of 2 to 3 dollars, or maybe I have to pay a dollar or two.

If my rates go up this time, I'm going to know immediately.

Isnt that how the corporate tax rate always is?

You know, Reagan tried to tell us that "trickle down" was a workable model for taxation, but it has yet to work.

Personally, I think that the tax cuts for the citizens should be permanent, and tell the corporations that we will cut their taxes for 10 years, but if they don't move jobs back to the USA, they will return to current rates after 10 years have passed.

That would incentivize companies to bring jobs back here.

Personally, i dont think we should be taxed on how much we earn. I would be ok with getting rid of the income tax period.
Raise federal sales tax

There is no federal sales tax, or did you forget that?

I said raise but i meant institute

Nope. That is too easy to raise on a whim.

 

[The Derp]

If its not applied equally it is.

It is applied equally. Progressive taxation applies taxes equally on income levels. A "flat tax" seems to be what you're getting at, and a flat tax is stupid. You know where they have a flat tax? Russia. So are you trying to bring Russia to the US? You've already done that with Trump.

 

[TNHarley]

Easy.
Cut spending.

Ok, what do you want to cut? Name something. Don't just be lazy and throw out an arbitrary number.

military, foreign aid and the unconstitutional federal govt programs. Sorry for the redundancy
After that, we can focus on welfare. Individual and corporate.

 

[usmcstinger]

why is the left bitching? Dont most of them say we should raise the tax rate?

Because those living in high taxed blue states are told to complain about it!

You got that right. The people in those States keep reelecting those Tax and Spend Liberals.

 

[The Derp]

I meant "good" as the amount.

Who cares, then? Paying taxes is something you have to do in this society. There exists no functional society that can provide the benefits you enjoy, without taxes to pay for it.

So you need to jettison this really immature position on taxation.

 

[TNHarley]

If its not applied equally it is.

It is applied equally. Progressive taxation applies taxes equally on income levels. A "flat tax" seems to be what you're getting at, and a flat tax is stupid. You know where they have a flat tax? Russia. So are you trying to bring Russia to the US? You've already done that with Trump.

Its not equal if rich people are getting a higher percentage.
Flat tax would be better than this shit. Of course, i want the entire income tax done away with.

 

[TNHarley]

I meant "good" as the amount.

Who cares, then? Paying taxes is something you have to do in this society. There exists no functional society that can provide the benefits you enjoy, without taxes to pay for it.

So you need to jettison this really immature position on taxation.

Its not immature. That was terrible terminology.
We shouldnt have an income tax. If our fed gov wasnt so fucking bloated, we wouldnt need it.

 

[The Derp]

By "sane" you mean forcing the ambitious and successful people to subsidize the weak? There is a word for that

Yeah, that's exactly right. They got rich off the backs of those who worked. So if they're not going to pay those people more, then they should be taxed to provide benefits for the workers that participated in the economy (either by making or buying those products).

You talk about free lunch, well, here's you arguing for a free lunch on behalf of the rich.

Which is so fuckin' weird. Why are you defending a rich person's low tax rate? You think they give a shit what your tax rate is?