If socialism is so bad

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?


"Why is the right so afraid of it ?"



30 years of limbaugh (and all those other hate radio djs)
and 25 years of fox news, breitbart, the blaze, etc.....

Carefully scripted fears and misinformation.....

So conservatives indulge in some socialism (that they benefit from) then denounce all forms of socialism that benefit others.....

new football stadium paid for by taxes? fine....they like football...

welfare for low income single mother so they don't die in the streets?...nope...they don't get anything from THAT!
 
Socialism is so bad that the only reasonable response is fear, terror, grabbing the nearest implement and beat it to death.


YOU had better NEVER receive any medicare or medicaid fro ANY medical problems you have.

THAT is MY MONEY and for you take it is SOCIALISM!

so when you need expensive medical care and expensive medicines just start a GoFuk-Yourself page and get like minded conservatives to donate.
 
Socialism is so bad that the only reasonable response is fear, terror, grabbing the nearest implement and beat it to death.


YOU had better NEVER receive any medicare or medicaid fro ANY medical problems you have.

THAT is MY MONEY and for you take it is SOCIALISM!

so when you need expensive medical care and expensive medicines just start a GoFuk-Yourself page and get like minded conservatives to donate.

Fuck that noise. If socialists take my money for their programs, I intend to tap those programs as much as I can manage, hopefully to the point bankrupting them.
 
Socialism is so bad that the only reasonable response is fear, terror, grabbing the nearest implement and beat it to death.


YOU had better NEVER receive any medicare or medicaid fro ANY medical problems you have.

THAT is MY MONEY and for you take it is SOCIALISM!

so when you need expensive medical care and expensive medicines just start a GoFuk-Yourself page and get like minded conservatives to donate.
No I haven't. I have always paid for my own medical care.
 
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

No it’s not. People need to be allowed to fall, and experience th pain and discomfort that comes with it so they learn not to fall in th future; or at least be prepared for the pain when they do fall. Otherwise we do them the disservice of never experiencing pain until the point it cannot be avoided; at which time they are unprepared to deal with it.
 
Who knows what anyone actually means by "socialism" at this point.
Socialism is people pulling together to build that barn.


no its not. socialism is taking your barn and making you clean up the cow shit.

Or taking your land to build a border wall.


by paying a fair market price for it. Most border land owners will gladly sell a small portion of their land in exchange for better security.

socialism would just take the land, actually it would not need to be taken because the government would already own all of the land, there is no private property under socialism.
 
Who knows what anyone actually means by "socialism" at this point.
Socialism is people pulling together to build that barn.


no its not. socialism is taking your barn and making you clean up the cow shit.

Or taking your land to build a border wall.

Or a highway, or a shopping center or because some moron in the government thinks it's being underutilized


if eminent domain only bad when republicans do it? or is it equally bad when democrats do it? Would the country be better or worse off if the interstate highway system was never built? Try to answer truthfully because the interstate system is the biggest eminent domain project in our history.
 
Who knows what anyone actually means by "socialism" at this point.
Socialism is people pulling together to build that barn.


no its not. socialism is taking your barn and making you clean up the cow shit.

Or taking your land to build a border wall.

Or a highway, or a shopping center or because some moron in the government thinks it's being underutilized


if eminent domain only bad when republicans do it? or is it equally bad when democrats do it? Would the country be better or worse off if the interstate highway system was never built? Try to answer truthfully because the interstate system is the biggest eminent domain project in our history.

Eminent domain is always bad because the government rips off the people by paying far too little for the land they take
 
Socialism is people pulling together to build that barn.


no its not. socialism is taking your barn and making you clean up the cow shit.

Or taking your land to build a border wall.

Or a highway, or a shopping center or because some moron in the government thinks it's being underutilized


if eminent domain only bad when republicans do it? or is it equally bad when democrats do it? Would the country be better or worse off if the interstate highway system was never built? Try to answer truthfully because the interstate system is the biggest eminent domain project in our history.

Eminent domain is always bad because the government rips off the people by paying far too little for the land they take


actually that's not true. a relative of mine had some property taken for an interstate interchange, he made a huge windfall, and that's not unusual.

It can be abused, and would be under any form of socialism. If there is a dispute on the value of the property it goes to a court for settlement and fair market value is always the final result. No one gets ripped off, that's a falacy
 
Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?


"Why is the right so afraid of it ?"



30 years of limbaugh (and all those other hate radio djs)
and 25 years of fox news, breitbart, the blaze, etc.....

Carefully scripted fears and misinformation.....

So conservatives indulge in some socialism (that they benefit from) then denounce all forms of socialism that benefit others.....

new football stadium paid for by taxes? fine....they like football...

welfare for low income single mother so they don't die in the streets?...nope...they don't get anything from THAT!

I posted a long reply a couple pages ago explaining how we have and generally speaking, approve of a Social Democracy. What you are talking about is perverting those Social Programs, into socialism. Socialism just does not work. I explain it better in the other reply, which you apparently blew by in your hunt for the heretics. Or it was too long for your limited attention span.
 
no its not. socialism is taking your barn and making you clean up the cow shit.

Or taking your land to build a border wall.

Or a highway, or a shopping center or because some moron in the government thinks it's being underutilized


if eminent domain only bad when republicans do it? or is it equally bad when democrats do it? Would the country be better or worse off if the interstate highway system was never built? Try to answer truthfully because the interstate system is the biggest eminent domain project in our history.

Eminent domain is always bad because the government rips off the people by paying far too little for the land they take


actually that's not true. a relative of mine had some property taken for an interstate interchange, he made a huge windfall, and that's not unusual.

It can be abused, and would be under any form of socialism. If there is a dispute on the value of the property it goes to a court for settlement and fair market value is always the final result. No one gets ripped off, that's a falacy

Anecdotes are not evidence
 
We can understand the perversion of social programs into socialism, whereby at a certain point socialism becomes impossible. This impossibility has already been explained in Hardt and Negri's Labor of Dionysus: A Critique of the State Form. We will further investigate SavannahMann's previous post.
 
Karl Marx's London memorial vandalised for second time
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They get it right.
 
Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?
As a matter of fact, stealing the fruits of one's labor and giving it to someone else is not a good thing. Especially since the government is incapable of measuring supply and demand, and therefor necessarily misallocates resources. The economic calculation problem is proof that government programs do not work.

Besides, when individuals have more money, they are more charitable on their own, government force and coercion is not required for people to be helped, and in fact, only reduces the likelihood that people will be charitable with their money, due to taxes reducing the amount of money individuals have on hand, coupled with rapid government expansion and the law of diminishing returns, government programs are inherently unsustainable.

I've already explained this directly to you, you're just emotionally attached to your position, despite being unable to refute arguments against it.
 
In post #90, SavannahMann wrote: 'Socialism is the control of the society, and economy, of a nation. It has never worked....there can never be a system which is fair for all, and allows enough freedom for innovation....China has managed to strike a delicate and ever-changing balance between capitalism and socialism. But the rules they used last year to govern it, aren't applicable this year, and won't be used next year. China is allowing just enough capitalism, and freedom, to stay competitive while clinging to the power of control of the socialist government.'

Like a secret agent's one-time pad, China's scenario was somewhat presupposed by Deleuze and Guattari, and even has some resonance with the Musician's trade:

'Enclosures are molds, distinct castings, but controls are a (modulation [italics]), like a self-deforming cast that will continuously change from one moment to the other, or like a sieve whose mesh will transmute from point to point.....This is obvious in the matter of salaries: the factory was a body that contained its internal forces at a level of equilibrium, the highest possible in terms of production, to lowest possible in terms of wages; but in a society of control, the corporation has replaced the factory, and the corporation is a spirit, a gas.'
(D&G, Postscript on the Societies of Control)

Thus, one certainly does not not allow capitalism to escape critique either.

4 hours ago: Yahoo News, Amazon Will Pay $0 in Taxes on $11,200,000,000 Profit in 2018.

Suggested reading: Derrida, Specters of Marx.
 

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