If socialism is so bad

[georgephillip]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

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socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods


Definition of SOCIALISM

Your definition of socialism is wrong:

"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole"

It's not wrong. It's the commonly accepted definition.

If the ideology or government you support doesn't fit the commonly accepted definition, why are you trying to co-opt the word? Why not come up with a different word to avoid confusion?

It's not wrong. It's the commonly accepted definition.

If the ideology or government you support doesn't fit the commonly accepted definition, why are you trying to co-opt the word? Why not come up with a different word to avoid confusion?

Socialism as an ideology has been split between state or worker control since the time of Marx and Mikhail Bakunin:

Mikhail Bakunin - Wikipedia

"A showdown loomed with Marx, who was a key figure in the General Council of the International.

"The 1872 Hague Congress was dominated by a struggle between Marx and his followers, who argued for the use of the state to bring about socialism; and the Bakunin/anarchist faction, which argued instead for the replacement of the state by federations of self-governing workplaces and communes.

"Bakunin could not attend the congress as he could not reach the Netherlands.

"Bakunin's faction present at the conference lost and Bakunin was (in Marx's view) expelled for supposedly maintaining a secret organisation within the international."

76 years after the Hague Congress, Yugoslavia produced an example of how one school could replace the other:

MR Online | Socialism and Workers’ Self-Directed Enterprises

 

[bripat9643]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

???

socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods


Definition of SOCIALISM

Your definition of socialism is wrong:

"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole"

It's not wrong. It's the commonly accepted definition.

If the ideology or government you support doesn't fit the commonly accepted definition, why are you trying to co-opt the word? Why not come up with a different word to avoid confusion?

It's not wrong. It's the commonly accepted definition.

If the ideology or government you support doesn't fit the commonly accepted definition, why are you trying to co-opt the word? Why not come up with a different word to avoid confusion?

Socialism as an ideology has been split between state or worker control since the time of Marx and Mikhail Bakunin:

Mikhail Bakunin - Wikipedia

"A showdown loomed with Marx, who was a key figure in the General Council of the International.

"The 1872 Hague Congress was dominated by a struggle between Marx and his followers, who argued for the use of the state to bring about socialism; and the Bakunin/anarchist faction, which argued instead for the replacement of the state by federations of self-governing workplaces and communes.

"Bakunin could not attend the congress as he could not reach the Netherlands.

"Bakunin's faction present at the conference lost and Bakunin was (in Marx's view) expelled for supposedly maintaining a secret organisation within the international."

76 years after the Hague Congress, Yugoslavia produced an example of how one school could replace the other:

MR Online | Socialism and Workers’ Self-Directed Enterprises

What's your point? Yugoslavia was also a failure.

 

[georgephillip]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

???

socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods


Definition of SOCIALISM

Your definition of socialism is wrong:

"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole"

It's not wrong. It's the commonly accepted definition.

If the ideology or government you support doesn't fit the commonly accepted definition, why are you trying to co-opt the word? Why not come up with a different word to avoid confusion?

It's not wrong. It's the commonly accepted definition.

If the ideology or government you support doesn't fit the commonly accepted definition, why are you trying to co-opt the word? Why not come up with a different word to avoid confusion?

Socialism as an ideology has been split between state or worker control since the time of Marx and Mikhail Bakunin:

Mikhail Bakunin - Wikipedia

"A showdown loomed with Marx, who was a key figure in the General Council of the International.

"The 1872 Hague Congress was dominated by a struggle between Marx and his followers, who argued for the use of the state to bring about socialism; and the Bakunin/anarchist faction, which argued instead for the replacement of the state by federations of self-governing workplaces and communes.

"Bakunin could not attend the congress as he could not reach the Netherlands.

"Bakunin's faction present at the conference lost and Bakunin was (in Marx's view) expelled for supposedly maintaining a secret organisation within the international."

76 years after the Hague Congress, Yugoslavia produced an example of how one school could replace the other:

MR Online | Socialism and Workers’ Self-Directed Enterprises

What's your point? Yugoslavia was also a failure.

What's your point? Yugoslavia was also a failure.

How are you defining failure?
Yugoslavia was virtually destroyed by WWII.
They were essentially starting over in 1948.

Economy of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia - Wikipedia

"In the 1950s socialist self-management was introduced, which reduced the state management of enterprises.

"Managers of socially owned companies were supervised by worker councils, which were made up of all employees, with one vote each.

"The worker councils also appointed the management, often by secret ballot.

"The Communist Party was organized in all companies and most influential employees were likely to be members of the party, so the managers were often, but not always, appointed only with the consent of the party.

"Although GDP is not technically applicable or designed to measure planned economies: in 1950 Yugoslavia's GDP ranked twenty-second in Europe."

 

[regent]

Who knows what anyone actually means by "socialism" at this point.

Socialism is people pulling together to build that barn.

no its not. socialism is taking your barn and making you clean up the cow shit.

Or taking your land to build a border wall.

by paying a fair market price for it. Most border land owners will gladly sell a small portion of their land in exchange for better security.

socialism would just take the land, actually it would not need to be taken because the government would already own all of the land, there is no private property under socialism.

What type of socialism are you referring to?

 

[Dana7360]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

Conservatives aren't afraid of socialism.

They love socialism. They rely on many forms of it in our nation every day. While at the same time saying how evil it is and how much they hate it.

Their latest socialism they are demanding is that wall. It's pure socialism and they not only have no problem with it, but are demanding it.

They also love to use it to scare stupid people into voting against their own best interests and the best interests of our nation.

 

[regent]

Because there are so many types of socialist programs it might help if posters would name the socialist program they are writing about.

 

[bripat9643]

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socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods


Definition of SOCIALISM

Your definition of socialism is wrong:

"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole"

It's not wrong. It's the commonly accepted definition.

If the ideology or government you support doesn't fit the commonly accepted definition, why are you trying to co-opt the word? Why not come up with a different word to avoid confusion?

It's not wrong. It's the commonly accepted definition.

If the ideology or government you support doesn't fit the commonly accepted definition, why are you trying to co-opt the word? Why not come up with a different word to avoid confusion?

Socialism as an ideology has been split between state or worker control since the time of Marx and Mikhail Bakunin:

Mikhail Bakunin - Wikipedia

"A showdown loomed with Marx, who was a key figure in the General Council of the International.

"The 1872 Hague Congress was dominated by a struggle between Marx and his followers, who argued for the use of the state to bring about socialism; and the Bakunin/anarchist faction, which argued instead for the replacement of the state by federations of self-governing workplaces and communes.

"Bakunin could not attend the congress as he could not reach the Netherlands.

"Bakunin's faction present at the conference lost and Bakunin was (in Marx's view) expelled for supposedly maintaining a secret organisation within the international."

76 years after the Hague Congress, Yugoslavia produced an example of how one school could replace the other:

MR Online | Socialism and Workers’ Self-Directed Enterprises

What's your point? Yugoslavia was also a failure.

What's your point? Yugoslavia was also a failure.

How are you defining failure?
Yugoslavia was virtually destroyed by WWII.
They were essentially starting over in 1948.

Economy of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia - Wikipedia

"In the 1950s socialist self-management was introduced, which reduced the state management of enterprises.

"Managers of socially owned companies were supervised by worker councils, which were made up of all employees, with one vote each.

"The worker councils also appointed the management, often by secret ballot.

"The Communist Party was organized in all companies and most influential employees were likely to be members of the party, so the managers were often, but not always, appointed only with the consent of the party.

"Although GDP is not technically applicable or designed to measure planned economies: in 1950 Yugoslavia's GDP ranked twenty-second in Europe."

22nd? Isn't that dead last?

Here's news for you, dumbass. West German and England were also destroyed during the war, but by 1960 their economies were thriving.

 

[bripat9643]

Because there are so many types of socialist programs it might help if posters would name the socialist program they are writing about.

It doesn't matter. They all have the same result. They all suck.

 

[bripat9643]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

Conservatives aren't afraid of socialism.

They love socialism. They rely on many forms of it in our nation every day. While at the same time saying how evil it is and how much they hate it.

Their latest socialism they are demanding is that wall. It's pure socialism and they not only have no problem with it, but are demanding it.

They also love to use it to scare stupid people into voting against their own best interests and the best interests of our nation.

Is a B52 socialism, dumbass?

 

[dblack]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

???

socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods


Definition of SOCIALISM

Your definition of socialism is wrong:

"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole"

It's not wrong. It's the commonly accepted definition.

If the ideology or government you support doesn't fit the commonly accepted definition, why are you trying to co-opt the word? Why not come up with a different word to avoid confusion?

It's not wrong. It's the commonly accepted definition.

If the ideology or government you support doesn't fit the commonly accepted definition, why are you trying to co-opt the word? Why not come up with a different word to avoid confusion?

Socialism as an ideology has been split between state or worker control since the time of Marx and Mikhail Bakunin:

Mikhail Bakunin - Wikipedia

"A showdown loomed with Marx, who was a key figure in the General Council of the International.

"The 1872 Hague Congress was dominated by a struggle between Marx and his followers, who argued for the use of the state to bring about socialism; and the Bakunin/anarchist faction, which argued instead for the replacement of the state by federations of self-governing workplaces and communes.

"Bakunin could not attend the congress as he could not reach the Netherlands.

"Bakunin's faction present at the conference lost and Bakunin was (in Marx's view) expelled for supposedly maintaining a secret organisation within the international."

76 years after the Hague Congress, Yugoslavia produced an example of how one school could replace the other:

MR Online | Socialism and Workers’ Self-Directed Enterprises

What's your point? Yugoslavia was also a failure.

Who knows? It's just some random article he posted to give the impression it means something. I doubt he even read it.

 

[regent]

Many nations have a mixture of socialism and other economic systems as does the United States. America had some forms of socialism even as it was becoming America.