If rights, whither from?

[JBeukema]

1) Do people have rights?

2) If so, where do they come from?

Is there any non-theological argument for human rights?

 

[2Parties]

Is there any non-theological argument for human rights?

Absolutely. See atheist Murray Rothbard.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Just plain common sense and dignity.

 

[2Parties]

1) Do people have rights?

Not in any metaphysical/spiritual sense.

 

[Sky Dancer]

1) Do people have rights?

2) If so, where do they come from?

Is there any non-theological argument for human rights?

It depends on what part of the world you're in. Here's an organization that monitors human rights all over the globe:


Home | Human Rights Watch

 

[AllieBaba]

Rights come from God. They can't come from anywhere else.

 

[Ravi]

The Creator, who ever that is.

 

[JBeukema]

Rights come from God. They can't come from anywhere else.

Is there any non-theological argument for human rights?

I'll take that as a 'no'. You realize, of course, that means you have no rights unless you can prove your particular god exists.

 

[JBeukema]

The Creator, who ever that is.

So if it turns out the Sumerians were right and the Creator is an alien scientist who died a long time ago?

 

[Ravi]

The Creator, who ever that is.

So if it turns out the Sumerians were right and the Creator is an alien scientist who died a long time ago?

Why would that matter if he gave us rights?

IMO, we have rights simply because we say we do.

 

[Avatar4321]

And what if we say we don't. do our rights magically disappear if a majority of people say they do?

 

[JBeukema]

The Creator, who ever that is.

So if it turns out the Sumerians were right and the Creator is an alien scientist who died a long time ago?

Why would that matter if he gave us rights?

IMO, we have rights simply because we say we do.

So asserting something makes it true?


I have one million dollars on my desk...


damned...

 

[Ravi]

And what if we say we don't. do our rights magically disappear if a majority of people say they do?

Pretty much.

 

[JBeukema]

It's an interesting fiction that people cling to, although the concept is philosophical swiss cheese.

 

[Sky Dancer]

It's an interesting fiction that people cling to, although the concept is philosophical swiss cheese.

Is the Bill of Rights philosophical swiss cheese?

 

[FA_Q2]

Simple - rights come from the people. NOT the majority either but from the whole. If enough people come together to abolish your rights they will vanish but if a large enough group are willing to defend and take back their rights they will get them back. It takes no deity, just the willingness and conviction of a significant enough group of people.

 

[Modbert]

There are no rights. Rights are something that cannot be taken away by others. Otherwise they're privileges.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaa9iw85tW8]YouTube - George Carlin -Rights and Privileges[/ame]

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Rights come from God. They can't come from anywhere else.

Is there any non-theological argument for human rights?

I'll take that as a 'no'. You realize, of course, that means you have no rights unless you can prove your particular god exists.

If rights come from God do you have to believe in Him to have rights, or does He give them to you anyway. In other words, if they are right about this do you have rights since you are clearly mocking their God? If you were intelligent that possibility would worry you more than the possibility that they are wrong and that they do not have rights. The simple fact is they do have rights, so your argument is void regardless of their ability to prove that God exists.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

There are no rights. Rights are something that cannot be taken away by others. Otherwise they're privileges.

YouTube - George Carlin -Rights and Privileges

I do have rights. As an example there is no way you can take away my right to pursue happiness.

 

[JBeukema]

Rights come from God. They can't come from anywhere else.

Is there any non-theological argument for human rights?

I'll take that as a 'no'. You realize, of course, that means you have no rights unless you can prove your particular god exists.

If rights come from God do you have to believe in Him to have rights, or does He give them to you anyway. In other words, if they are right about this do you have rights since you are clearly mocking their God? If you were intelligent that possibility would worry you more than the possibility that they are wrong and that they do not have rights. The simple fact is they do have rights, so your argument is void regardless of their ability to prove that God exists.

You axiomatically assert that which is only true conditionally (if your deity exists).


You assume the existence of your personal interpretation of the Jewish god despite all evidence to its non-existence.