If Obama withhold SocSec check, will he be impeached?

[Sunshine]

1. His $38,500 per person fund raiser / birthday party in Chicago on August 3rd.

Now, that's a priority!

Because you hate him, these things are an issue. He is not doing anything wrong in attending fund raisers or celebratinbg his birthday. I'm sure Roosevelt, Truman, Nixon, and Bush did the same thing during their time as prez. Remember World War II, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Watergate??? Their their lives did not come to a screeching halt. But this president is different in your clouded vision.

You people are absolutely pathetic.

Those presidents didn't go to 40K/person fund raisers immediately after threatening the nation's elderly people with starvation.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

man these people just swim in hate

Do you have any family members on Social Security?

Yeah....that should be the determining-factor, when considering the degree of Urgency (especially for Republicans)....

....how many "conservative"-families are directly-impacted!!!!!​

 

[rdean]

I'm going to pay into it until the program officially crashes, I won't see a fucking dime.

I wonder if any of the older people actually give a shit about that??

In the end I'll probably end up paying anywhere between 100,000 - 300,000 to the program - I'll get nothing.

At least the boomers will get theirs..

At 31 I gotta worry about me when I'm 60 now...

Thats something none of the boomers had to do when they were my age - plan for their future.

Obama just whacked the biggest hornets nest on the planet.

The Republican Leadership is too clueless to understand it, but there are a lot of us paying attention and are going to shine a bright light on this for the next election

Well, I don't know about the older republicans but us younger libertarians and republicans (which are generally more libertarian leaning) are pretty worried about our future - and especially the future of our nation.

Then why support a leadership that slashes education, refuses to invest in repairing American infrastructure, invest in science and technology and wants to teach "magical creation" as "science" in public schools?

Unless, you see redistribution of wealth to the top 10% as a good way to protect the future of America. Many on the right believe that rich people should be running the country because they "make jobs".

 

[skookerasbil]

Charles Krauthammer: Obama At His Most Sanctimonious | RealClearPolitics

 

[RetiredGySgt]

your mind is hopelessly twisted by hate

The SIMPLE fact is Social Security is paid MONTHLY. He has no authority to divert those funds , he must use the available tax revenue specifically collected for Social Security to pay it. If he diverts or holds those funds it would be a direct violation of standing law and the power of Congress.

However the Senate would never convict.

If he holds the funds it should go instantly to the Courts. He has no authority or power to hold delay or divert that money. Same with Medicare. We pay a SPECIFIC monthly tax for those programs.

The ONLY authority for that money is that it be used for its intended purpose. Congress has siphoned off the EXCESS and replaced it with Government notes. NO one has the authority to stop the money that is available from being paid.

Obama does NOT have the authority or the power.

 

[CitizenPained]

Obama doesn't control what Congress does.

 

[skookerasbil]

The k00ks dont get it......they think if we just slam the shit out of the rich with taxes...........everything will be honkey dorey.

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/the-next-debt-crisis-could-come-from-paris-07212011.html


Progressive tax policies do one thing effectively: they destroy socities.

Shit has never worked in the history of the world. Sounds sweet........but it doesnt work. Trickle-up Poverty economic policy is gay


Capitalism leads to rich and poor classes. Socialism leads to rich and GIANT MOFU poor class!!!

 

[Sunshine]

your mind is hopelessly twisted by hate

The SIMPLE fact is Social Security is paid MONTHLY. He has no authority to divert those funds , he must use the available tax revenue specifically collected for Social Security to pay it. If he diverts or holds those funds it would be a direct violation of standing law and the power of Congress.

However the Senate would never convict.

If he holds the funds it should go instantly to the Courts. He has no authority or power to hold delay or divert that money. Same with Medicare. We pay a SPECIFIC monthly tax for those programs.

The ONLY authority for that money is that it be used for its intended purpose. Congress has siphoned off the EXCESS and replaced it with Government notes. NO one has the authority to stop the money that is available from being paid.

Obama does NOT have the authority or the power.

What he is saying is that the money has ALREADY been diverted.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

your mind is hopelessly twisted by hate

The SIMPLE fact is Social Security is paid MONTHLY. He has no authority to divert those funds , he must use the available tax revenue specifically collected for Social Security to pay it. If he diverts or holds those funds it would be a direct violation of standing law and the power of Congress.

However the Senate would never convict.

If he holds the funds it should go instantly to the Courts. He has no authority or power to hold delay or divert that money. Same with Medicare. We pay a SPECIFIC monthly tax for those programs.

The ONLY authority for that money is that it be used for its intended purpose. Congress has siphoned off the EXCESS and replaced it with Government notes. NO one has the authority to stop the money that is available from being paid.

Obama does NOT have the authority or the power.

What he is saying is that the money has ALREADY been diverted.

No it hasn't technically. It arrives EVERY month. He can not divert it. And realistically it is not already diverted since they can only divert the EXCESS. They would need to extract only the excess each month.

 

[Sunshine]

The SIMPLE fact is Social Security is paid MONTHLY. He has no authority to divert those funds , he must use the available tax revenue specifically collected for Social Security to pay it. If he diverts or holds those funds it would be a direct violation of standing law and the power of Congress.

However the Senate would never convict.

If he holds the funds it should go instantly to the Courts. He has no authority or power to hold delay or divert that money. Same with Medicare. We pay a SPECIFIC monthly tax for those programs.

The ONLY authority for that money is that it be used for its intended purpose. Congress has siphoned off the EXCESS and replaced it with Government notes. NO one has the authority to stop the money that is available from being paid.

Obama does NOT have the authority or the power.

What he is saying is that the money has ALREADY been diverted.

No it hasn't technically. It arrives EVERY month. He can not divert it. And realistically it is not already diverted since they can only divert the EXCESS. They would need to extract only the excess each month.

Is the turn around on record keeping that quick?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Fear tactics.
The basic tenants of our Republic is we do not need the Government.
All is well.

Well.....we don't need the ones that don't work....

 

[shintao]

Why do right wingers care about Social Security Checks? Don't they hate Social Security?

All that would happen is what they want.

Obama stole our money. We're not really happy about it.

Bush was demonized for trying to let us own some of it. You Lying Leftists said there was a "Trust Fund".

Obama is telling us there is no Trust Fund

Don't you get it?

Our Seniors paid in, and now the money is gone.

That's Fraud. That's Bernie Madoff

Bush stole money, so to late to impeach him.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What he is saying is that the money has ALREADY been diverted.

No it hasn't technically. It arrives EVERY month. He can not divert it. And realistically it is not already diverted since they can only divert the EXCESS. They would need to extract only the excess each month.

Is the turn around on record keeping that quick?

It does not matter. Since the tax is collected each month the Government can not withhold payment, or divert the funds to pay existing accounts. Further the President has ZERO control over whether it is paid or not. Congress not the President controls the purse strings.

If he uses executive power to divert the funds he will be breaking the law and violating the powers granted him by the Constitution. As in high crimes and misdemeanors. He should be impeached as well as taken to Court.

But it is moot because the Senate will never convict NO MATTER what laws he breaks.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Why do right wingers care about Social Security Checks? Don't they hate Social Security?

All that would happen is what they want.

Obama stole our money. We're not really happy about it.

Bush was demonized for trying to let us own some of it. You Lying Leftists said there was a "Trust Fund".

Obama is telling us there is no Trust Fund

Don't you get it?

Our Seniors paid in, and now the money is gone.

That's Fraud. That's Bernie Madoff

Bush stole money, so to late to impeach him.

Provide a single link to substantiate your claim.

 

[Sunshine]

No it hasn't technically. It arrives EVERY month. He can not divert it. And realistically it is not already diverted since they can only divert the EXCESS. They would need to extract only the excess each month.

Is the turn around on record keeping that quick?

It does not matter. Since the tax is collected each month the Government can not withhold payment, or divert the funds to pay existing accounts. Further the President has ZERO control over whether it is paid or not. Congress not the President controls the purse strings.

If he uses executive power to divert the funds he will be breaking the law and violating the powers granted him by the Constitution. As in high crimes and misdemeanors. He should be impeached as well as taken to Court.

But it is moot because the Senate will never convict NO MATTER what laws he breaks.

Given the scenario you describe any person of 'standing' would be able to file criminal charges. That would mean any recipient who didn't get their money. Congress be damned.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Just threatening it was a very pissant thing to do. The man should be ashamed of himself. If he does withhold SS Checks,Impeachment should be on the table.

Are you really this ignorant.

The Executive has no authority with regard to spending:

All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives…

Article I, Section 7, United States Constitution.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States…

Article I, Section 8, United States Constitution.

Not only has the president violated no laws, the Executive isn’t even mandated to address revenue and spending issues.

The president may only be impeached, which is like an indictment prior to trial in the Senate, upon evidence of violating a law; the president can’t be impeached because you don’t like what party he belongs to. Indeed, the republicans tried two presidents twice and failed both times.

Literally millions of seniors count on those checks for food money.

And if they go hungry that’s the fault of the House, not the Executive.

You’re entitled to be a tedious partisan hack, but at least don’t compound it with ignorance.

 

[shintao]

1. His $38,500 per person fund raiser / birthday party in Chicago on August 3rd.

Now, that's a priority!

Because you hate him, these things are an issue. He is not doing anything wrong in attending fund raisers or celebratinbg his birthday. I'm sure Roosevelt, Truman, Nixon, and Bush did the same thing during their time as prez. Remember World War II, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Watergate??? Their their lives did not come to a screeching halt. But this president is different in your clouded vision.

You people are absolutely pathetic.

Yes, pathetic indeed! IF a picture is worth a thousand words, this one is worth a million on this thread.

So STFU about birthdays!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mr.Nick]

Obama just whacked the biggest hornets nest on the planet.

The Republican Leadership is too clueless to understand it, but there are a lot of us paying attention and are going to shine a bright light on this for the next election

Well, I don't know about the older republicans but us younger libertarians and republicans (which are generally more libertarian leaning) are pretty worried about our future - and especially the future of our nation.

Then why support a leadership that slashes education, refuses to invest in repairing American infrastructure, invest in science and technology and wants to teach "magical creation" as "science" in public schools?

Unless, you see redistribution of wealth to the top 10% as a good way to protect the future of America. Many on the right believe that rich people should be running the country because they "make jobs".

Do you have any idea how much pork spending there is??? Republicans don't want to cut anything - they want the democrats to cut their useless side programs and put that money towards education and infrastructure but the democrats REFUSE... You know why they refuse??? because all that pork spending goes directly to LOYAL DEMOCRAT VOTERS, weather it be grants, odd-ball social programs or just plain free money...

Democrats REFUSE cut anything - their only solution is to raise taxes.

In the real world, most intelligent people have budgets (something liberals in government don't understand) and when intelligent people cant afford something they DONT FUCKING BUY IT or if they do buy it they will NOT BUY SOMETHING ELSE THE NORMALLY BUY..

That simple concept is alien to democrats in congress....

They believe they can have their cake and eat it and all they have to do is take more money from the people - more specifically the non-union private sector.

Furthermore there is NO REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH TO THE TOP 10%..

Does the top 10% get money from the government or do they give money to the government??

Lazy fucks on welfare get FREE MONEY because they did nothing for it... They don't pay the government money - they get it for FREE...

A tax break is NOT FREE MONEY... THERE IS STILL TRILLIONS COLLECTIVELY GOING TO THE GOVERNMENT.

You liberals are fucking liars.

Do you understand now??? will you now quit being dishonest???

 

[Mr. Shaman]

If Obama withhold SocSec checks as he threatened, he should be immediately removed from office -- by force if necessary.

Our Seniors have paid into the "Trust Fund" their entire lives and the vast majority of them have come to depend on that check, some for their very survival. A short while ago, Obama made an outrageous, stunning threat that he will withhold delivery of the checks unless he gets his way with Congress. Obama's demands have NOTHING to do with delivering funds to our seniors.

NOTHING!

Bernie Madoff is in prison for abusing funds entrusted to him and if Obama makes good on his threat to starve our elderly, he should be cellmates with Bernie.

Rahm Emmanual said, "Never let a crisis go to waste"

I wonder why Republican Congressmen thought that meant they could draw-a-check....all-thru the Obama Presidency....for doing absolutely ZERO????

(You'd think their constituents would notice!!)​

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Is the turn around on record keeping that quick?

It does not matter. Since the tax is collected each month the Government can not withhold payment, or divert the funds to pay existing accounts. Further the President has ZERO control over whether it is paid or not. Congress not the President controls the purse strings.

If he uses executive power to divert the funds he will be breaking the law and violating the powers granted him by the Constitution. As in high crimes and misdemeanors. He should be impeached as well as taken to Court.

But it is moot because the Senate will never convict NO MATTER what laws he breaks.

Given the scenario you describe any person of 'standing' would be able to file criminal charges. That would mean any recipient who didn't get their money. Congress be damned.

By the way Social Security is not a blanket payment on the first of the month. For example I get mine after the second Wednesday of the month.