If Obama loses this election, was this his and his campaign's fault?

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    I have seen a few threads on various boards that question the downspiral of Obama's campaign and are trying to peg, exactly what happened.

    The question is, if the Obama campaign had picked Hillary as the vp candidate, would he be in this spiral downward in polls now?

    And if the answer is no, then who do you think is to blame for this decision of his?

    1.His followers, for insisting that Hillary not be picked?

    2.His campaign managers?

    3.Or him?

    4. Or a combination of two or more of the above.

    And why do you think such, once you picked one...?
     
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    Yes

    Had O slected Hill as VP, I think he'd have lost more votes than he'd have gotten by selecting her.
     
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    First, This was probably Obama's worst week and McCain's best week and we are only looking at a 2 to 3 point spread. For those who think this is over I would suggest they get a grip. Second, this is clearly Obama's campaign to loose so if he does then clearly is will be his fault and fault always has to start at the top.
     
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    1-3. They are regretful now, since John McCain picked Palin as his running mate. It has thrown them for a loop and his campaign is flailing and on a decline. Both in the polls and in the electoral college votes.

    Hindsight is projecting, that if he had picked Hilary, then he would not be in this pickle right now.

    And I am glad that he did not. Let Obama and his camp, bear the full 100% brunt of the loss of the 2008 election.
     
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    I agree 100% which is why I was relieved he didn't buckle to the pressure by the Hillary supporters and pick her.

    I think the demise of the Obama campaign is being prematurely celebrated.
     
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    Of course Silence, but imagine if we did such a thing to John McCain's campaign?

    Barack Obama would of done alot worse by picking Hillary. The McCain campaign would have HOURS of footage of her making comments that would hurt him if he picked her as VP.

    If he does lose I think it's a combo of two things:

    1.) The amount of damage that Hillary did by staying in the primary instead of leaving when it was impossible for her to win unless she hijacked it with the superdelegates.

    2.) Barack Obama trying to play a clean game of Politics up until this point and Barack/Joe being called sexist for every comment that even remotely be related to Sarah Palin.

    Every member of the GOP can cry, stomp their foot, and deny this but if Hillary was the VP; you would not see Sarah Palin.

    So therefore, it's purely a political choice in order to gain the women vote who feel disgruntled by Hillary not getting the nomination and for the extreme right to know they will be presented in the White House once again.
     
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    yeah, you guys are right...!!!!

    And really, Hillary should just stay home and NOT campaign for him....in fact, what a huge mistake for her to even speak at the convention on his behalf...HUGE MISTAKE....for Obama to have her do this!!!!!!:cuckoo:

    Right?

    Biden said the same things about Obama, that he was NOT READY to be President....but that's all ok...now, isn't it? Biden and Hillary are no different and are on the same page politically, only Biden has been in Washington longer....why was Biden ok and not Hillary...all the excuses of why she shouldn't be picked are invalid now that he picked Biden, who also thought Hillary should be in his position as vp...

    Silence and Robert and any others that hate Hillary soooooooooo much....I thought you belonged to the party with the big tent, but that's another thread topic i would suppose...?

    (Just so you know, when you espouse your hatred towards Hillary, you espouse your hatred towards those 18 million Democrats that supported her in the primary and are doing no favors for the Obama campaign to become president imho!)

    let me ask you this, are you saying that you hated Hillary so much that YOU personally would not have voted for Obama if he had picked her?

    Who, of the Obama supporters would not have continued to vote for Obama if he had picked her for his vp? What group of his supporters would have gone to vote for mccain or chosen not to vote at all?

    The reason I ask is because you have said that Obama would be in a worse scenario than he is in now if he had chosen her so I would like to know who it is that would not have continued to cast their vote for Obama if he had chosen Hillary?

    To me, no one would have stopped supporting him...which means that picking Hillary would have only HELPED him win the presidential seat, bringing others that were not in his camp, in to his camp.

    yes, this is only one week in hell for the Obama campaign, and he has the time to recoup, but he should not in anyway be the underdog in this race, EVER....and McCain should never be having the good week he is having....Obama should be smearing mccain in the polls no matter who McCain had picked as vp...this is why the 2nd guessing and this thread has been started....

    care
     
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    I believe she should help campaign to help undo the damage she did.

    I don't hate hillary, unless you can stop flipping out and point to where? All I stated was she stayed in when it was long after impossible for her to win unless the superdelegates overturned it. That's what we call FACT.

    That I just honestly laughed at. Again, I don't hate Hillary or my fellow 18 million Democrats.

    If he had chosen Hillary, I would of still voted for him. The Republicans would of had a field day though.

    These are all facts. So care, do me a favor and reread what I said, stop flipping out, and calm down.

    Your making a mountain out of a mole hill.
     
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    You know, I think as a Republican, a lot of your democrats are missing the mark here. If Barack Obama had chosen Hillary as his running mate it would have done two things. The first thing is it wold have completely solidified your party, all those independants that voted for her would still not be in that undecided catagory. The second thing it would have done, is it would have forced John McCain to pick a different running mate, in that his choice of Sarah Palin would have been seen as a token choice, had Obama picked Hillary. So in that respect Obama made a huge tactical error in not doing so, he basically ceeded a large voting block that sometimes Votes democratic and sometimes votes republican to the republicans. He is now playing catchup, and if he loses this election , that is where the biggest mistake will be at. Let me cite you a real life example I know of, my father a die hard democrat, and ardent Hillary supporter is so upset still over the primaries, he and all the many seniors that are of his ilk that I know of are now voting for McCain and are not doing so in a passive manner. The reaction to the Palin pick can also be a factor if Obama should not prevail, the campaign put too much focus on the Republican number two for to long a period of time after the conventions and allowed their candidate to be off message for too long a period of time thus nullifying what should have been his convention ride to Nov. Just some thoughts, now you may think Hillary would have galvanized the Republicans, and prehaps so, but as a republican, I can tell you we are all quite happy he didn't pick her.
     
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    or
    3.) The obvious. Obama is a lousy choice for President.
     

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