If Obama Is A "socialist"....

[Mr. Shaman]

Dumb shit fucked up with just the first word of the title

It doesn't TAKE much to expose "conservatives'" hypocrisy.

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[Mr. Shaman]

And a bunch of bullshit winger links from the troll.. AGAIN

Truth cuts cons like a knife. LOL!! Hows that bullshit Dave doing? Surely you can refute the message instead of attacking the messenger? NO, well that is so sad...........

Lil' Davey's a man o' few words......and, most of 'em are wrong.



It's what he does!!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

.....and, that's such a bad thing....how do Republicans get-away with being such enthusiastic-beneficiaries?

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here's the difference asswipe. pay attention now fuctard for the one millionth time.. try to soak this up,, the people on social security and medicare have paid into the system their entire lives, they were'nt asked if they wanted to pay into the system they were told they would pay into the system and then when they reached old age they would receive social security and medicare. you don't even get to choose about the medicare on the day of your 65th birthday you are enrolled in medicare whether or not you want to be.. now here it comes; you fucking ready dimbulb???? obie wan wants to take wealth away from those who have earned it and give it to ass sitters oners.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rllOR0zdno]YouTube - GOP Republican Party Lies About Stimulus Package Exposed![/ame]

 

[Mr. Shaman]

And a bunch of bullshit winger links from the troll.. AGAIN

Truth cuts cons like a knife. LOL!! Hows that bullshit Dave doing? Surely you can refute the message instead of attacking the messenger? NO, well that is so sad...........

no... Winger opinions from Maddow and winger sites don't cut like a knife... they're about as laughable as a mugger trying to hold you up with a plastic spork

....And, make you look like a damned-fool......every time you open your mouth.

Have you been (officially) diagnosed with masochistic-tendencies......or, is it merely assumed.....for obvious-reasons? ​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

.....and, that's such a bad thing....how do Republicans get-away with being such enthusiastic-beneficiaries?

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here's the difference asswipe. pay attention now fuctard for the one millionth time.. try to soak this up,, the people on social security and medicare have paid into the system their entire lives, they were'nt asked if they wanted to pay into the system they were told they would pay into the system and then when they reached old age they would receive social security and medicare. you don't even get to choose about the medicare on the day of your 65th birthday you are enrolled in medicare whether or not you want to be.. now here it comes; you fucking ready dimbulb???? obie wan wants to take wealth away from those who have earned it and give it to ass sitters oners.

Getting forced upon the reservation so to speak and then get called a hypocrite for having to become a beneficiary and for that we're called hypocrites.

Yeah......forced.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Yeah.. because we have all kinds of room for military bases in high income and tax cities like Los Angeles, New York, and Chicago.... and the federal interstate miles in Kansas are less than what they are in Connecticut....
Yes, there are problems in the pet projects many representatives get for their states... but don't just paint this as a blanket picture

Unless, that is, you wish to use the same argument for individuals who pay no income taxes that are gaining benefit from entitlements

Oh yes, go for it Dave!!!! What is this? EXXON MOBILE pays NO TAXES in 2009. Really? That about covers your arguments in bullshit, huh Dave?

Exxon Mobil paid no federal income tax in 2009 Climate Progress

I recall reading a book by Howard Jarvis in the 70's that talked about this, how there were hundreds of hidden taxes on a simple loaf of brad, how insurance costs GM more each year than the materials that cars were built from and so much more, that's the fault of government, not capitalism.

Slum-lords (and, their Lobbyists ) talk like that.......

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[Mr. Shaman]

Yeah.. because we have all kinds of room for military bases in high income and tax cities like Los Angeles, New York, and Chicago.... and the federal interstate miles in Kansas are less than what they are in Connecticut....
Yes, there are problems in the pet projects many representatives get for their states... but don't just paint this as a blanket picture

Unless, that is, you wish to use the same argument for individuals who pay no income taxes that are gaining benefit from entitlements

Oh yes, go for it Dave!!!! What is this? EXXON MOBILE pays NO TAXES in 2009. Really? That about covers your arguments in bullshit, huh Dave?

Exxon Mobil paid no federal income tax in 2009 Climate Progress

And now you cite winger sites too... figures

Industry taxes
XOM - Exxon Mobil Corp Financial Results - CNNMoney.com

Stop believing all your hype based winger sites, and you might actually start to learn something

....And....as usual.....you end-up looking foolish.

Figures.

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[Mr. Shaman]

I recall reading a book by Howard Jarvis in the 70's that talked about this, how there were hundreds of hidden taxes on a simple loaf of brad, how insurance costs GM more each year than the materials that cars were built from and so much more, that's the fault of government, not capitalism, we went through Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. and now half way through Obama and corporations still employ thousands of corporate attorneys,lobbyists and accountants to keep from paying taxes.

I agree with that, yet capitalism is a myth, because it cannot survive without government intervention.

I don't know about that, black markets flourish without regulations and intervention.....

Yeah.....it does wonders for their customer-base....... ​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

the people on social security and medicare have paid into the system their entire lives, they were'nt asked if they wanted to pay into the system they were told they would pay into the system and then when they reached old age they would receive social security and medicare.

Aside from your bullshit, fudge-face, how is that different than National Health Care?? Hmm? And you don't have to pay into social security or medicare, you have the choice to avoid the American government, and starve.

I sell Medicare Supplements, actually "most" have to pay into Medicare Part A, I say "most" since there are exceptions such as the Railroad, government employees, etc.

Medicare Part "B" is an option as is "C", now "D" is but you will get charged a penalty if you don't join when your eligible if you ever do join.

It's complicated to try and explain on a forum.

......Especially the part about the HUGE $ub$idie$ the health-insurance-companies get.....while the big-pharmas NEVER have to cut prices!!!!

There's nothin' difficult about explaining how people-in-need are gettin' RIPPED-OFF......while it's MEDICARE D that's drivin' our economy INTO THE DITCH!!!!!!

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[Zona]

Socialism only ends up with massive death and economic ruin. You honestly think it's not a bad thing?

No wait, wasnt Jesus a socialist?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Nice to see you ignoring the facts that directly oppose you and your winger site assertions....

Care to retract your false claim of XOM paying no income taxes in 2009 yet?

The SUBJECT is Stimulus Spending, and....

YOU LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Walt]

Take a look at the red states. You will find that most of them are federal welfare states, receiving more back from the fed than they pay in.

Take away the federal tit they are sucking and they would likely collapse.

Take away the federal tit from those liberal states running BILLIONS in deficits and see what happens to them.

Which states would those be?

You really need to be told??????????? OK. California, Illinois, New York just to name a few.

 

[DiamondDave]

c'mon winger shit-tao... Wanna dig deeper?

Right from the forbes article that your winger site tried to cherry pick from....
what the top u.s. Companies pay in taxes - forbes.com
"mind you, not all global megacorps enjoy such low tax rates. Try to muster some pity for big oil. Exxonmobil ( xom - news - people ) in its 2009 annual report to the sec, recorded a larger income tax expense than any other u.s. Company last year, some $17.6 billion, or 47% of pretax earnings." that shows for 2008... And since the article was written before exxon's returns for 2009 were completed... "though exxon's financial statement's don't show any net income tax liability owed to uncle sam, a company spokesman insists that once its final tax bill is figured, exxon will owe a "substantial 2009 tax liability.""... And as shown, they ended up paying 15.1bil in income taxes for 2009.. As per the financial statements that i linked to you

epic fail, you idiot asshole troll...

c'mon back shitty... It's enjoyable bitch slapping your winger bullshit

I'm tired of making you look like a fool with no credibility jr., so run along and play with yourself.................

You have been POINT BLANK SHOWN via the article your winger site referenced and misrepresented.. you have also been shown via the actual reported financial statements that 15.1BIL was paid by XOM in income taxes... and you have been shown that your little winger article's assertion was posed before the tax due date, which made it easy for them to put up a winger smoke screen...

You FAIL.. in EPIC fashion

 

[DiamondDave]

And a bunch of bullshit winger links from the troll.. AGAIN

....And....as usual....you can't dispute any of it.

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Funny asshole.. I disputed every argument here with factual data, and not opinion articles from winger sites... fuck off, troll

 

[DiamondDave]

Oh yes, go for it Dave!!!! What is this? EXXON MOBILE pays NO TAXES in 2009. Really? That about covers your arguments in bullshit, huh Dave?

Exxon Mobil paid no federal income tax in 2009 Climate Progress

And now you cite winger sites too... figures

Industry taxes
XOM - Exxon Mobil Corp Financial Results - CNNMoney.com

Stop believing all your hype based winger sites, and you might actually start to learn something

....And....as usual.....you end-up looking foolish.

Figures.

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Are you trying to deny financial statements from every source that factually shows 15.1BIL paid in income taxes by XOM for 2009?

 

[DiamondDave]

Nice to see you ignoring the facts that directly oppose you and your winger site assertions....

Care to retract your false claim of XOM paying no income taxes in 2009 yet?

The SUBJECT is Stimulus Spending, and....

YOU LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You never substantiated a claim other than to post a winger opinion from Maddow... Then the subsequent boob tried to back you up with more false claims of XOM not paying taxes in 2009, which was subsequently blown out of the water with actual data and not an opinion piece...

We'll continue to use data and fact, while you continue to use winger opinions and baseless accusations.... yet you will continue to think you are making others look like fools... fucking laughable, troll

 

[Christopher]

c'mon winger shit-tao... Wanna dig deeper?

Right from the forbes article that your winger site tried to cherry pick from....
what the top u.s. Companies pay in taxes - forbes.com
"mind you, not all global megacorps enjoy such low tax rates. Try to muster some pity for big oil. Exxonmobil ( xom - news - people ) in its 2009 annual report to the sec, recorded a larger income tax expense than any other u.s. Company last year, some $17.6 billion, or 47% of pretax earnings." that shows for 2008... And since the article was written before exxon's returns for 2009 were completed... "though exxon's financial statement's don't show any net income tax liability owed to uncle sam, a company spokesman insists that once its final tax bill is figured, exxon will owe a "substantial 2009 tax liability.""... And as shown, they ended up paying 15.1bil in income taxes for 2009.. As per the financial statements that i linked to you

epic fail, you idiot asshole troll...

c'mon back shitty... It's enjoyable bitch slapping your winger bullshit

I'm tired of making you look like a fool with no credibility jr., so run along and play with yourself.................

In case you had not noticed, Forbes even admitted to their mistake. Here:Exxon Says It Does Pay U.S. Income Taxes - Energy Source - How we power the world - Forbes

My mistake was in thinking that these figures somehow reflected actual tax benefits and liabilities. So what we should have written was that ExxonMobil “recorded” no U.S. income taxes for 2009 instead of “paid.” All you re-bloggers out there, please note the clarification. Mea culpa.

And for all you commenters outraged that Exxon isn’t paying taxes in the U.S., don’t worry, it is. Our article only focused on income taxes, but it’s worth noting that the 10-k also records $7.7 billion in other taxes in the U.S. (like sales taxes) and more than $50 billion of other taxes and duties paid (I mean recorded) overseas.

You have been spreading a lie. Nice going.

 

[johnrocks]

Do you understand what socialism is?

What tenets of socialism go against the Constitution?

The part about individual rights?
As in NOT those of the Collective Government?

One more person to add to the list of American's who don't know what socialism is.

Socialism is NOT a form of government - its an economic system. There is nothing about socialism that precludes "individual rights".

I agree with your first point but it can violate rights, like the right of an individual to own a business or property, if the means of production are truly owned by the State like true socialism advocates.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Socialism only ends up with massive death and economic ruin. You honestly think it's not a bad thing?

No wait, wasnt Jesus a socialist?

Hell.....we've (even) got THE SURVEILLANCE-VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEtBs6j7QgU]YouTube - Jesus Chases The Money Changers Out of The Temple[/ame]​

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The part about individual rights?
As in NOT those of the Collective Government?

One more person to add to the list of American's who don't know what socialism is.

Socialism is NOT a form of government - its an economic system. There is nothing about socialism that precludes "individual rights".

I agree with your first point but it can violate rights, like the right of an individual to own a business or property, if the means of production are truly owned by the State like true socialism advocates.

I question the "right" to own property. But that's not the point - socialism can exist without a state at all, let alone a state that controls the means of production.