If Obama Is A "socialist"....

[theDoctorisIn]

If Obama is a socialist.... If socialism is a system that the left wing want to replace the Constitution, then we should have an open and honest debate. Run as socialist, be open about shredding the documents that founded the nation. Make the argument and let the people decide. Easy

Do you understand what socialism is?

What tenets of socialism go against the Constitution?

 

[DiamondDave]

C'mon winger shit-tao... wanna dig deeper?

Right from the forbes article that your winger site tried to cherry pick from....
What The Top U.S. Companies Pay In Taxes - Forbes.com
"Mind you, not all global megacorps enjoy such low tax rates. Try to muster some pity for Big Oil. ExxonMobil ( XOM - news - people ) in its 2009 annual report to the SEC, recorded a larger income tax expense than any other U.S. company last year, some $17.6 billion, or 47% of pretax earnings." that shows for 2008... and since the article was written before Exxon's returns for 2009 were completed... "Though Exxon's financial statement's don't show any net income tax liability owed to Uncle Sam, a company spokesman insists that once its final tax bill is figured, Exxon will owe a "substantial 2009 tax liability.""... and as shown, they ended up paying 15.1BIL in income taxes for 2009.. as per the financial statements that I linked to you

Epic fail, you idiot asshole troll...

c'mon back shitty... it's enjoyable bitch slapping your winger bullshit

 

[theDoctorisIn]

.....and, that's such a bad thing....how do Republicans get-away with being such enthusiastic-beneficiaries?

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Take a look at the red states. You will find that most of them are federal welfare states, receiving more back from the fed than they pay in.

Take away the federal tit they are sucking and they would likely collapse.

Take away the federal tit from those liberal states running BILLIONS in deficits and see what happens to them.

Which states would those be?

 

[Political Junky]

And a bunch of bullshit winger links from the troll.. AGAIN

Truth cuts cons like a knife. LOL!! Hows that bullshit Dave doing? Surely you can refute the message instead of attacking the messenger? NO, well that is so sad...........

no... Winger opinions from Maddow and winger sites don't cut like a knife... they're about as laughable as a mugger trying to hold you up with a plastic spork

Are you so critical of right wingnut sources like Fox?

 

[shintao]

c'mon winger shit-tao... Wanna dig deeper?

Right from the forbes article that your winger site tried to cherry pick from....
what the top u.s. Companies pay in taxes - forbes.com
"mind you, not all global megacorps enjoy such low tax rates. Try to muster some pity for big oil. Exxonmobil ( xom - news - people ) in its 2009 annual report to the sec, recorded a larger income tax expense than any other u.s. Company last year, some $17.6 billion, or 47% of pretax earnings." that shows for 2008... And since the article was written before exxon's returns for 2009 were completed... "though exxon's financial statement's don't show any net income tax liability owed to uncle sam, a company spokesman insists that once its final tax bill is figured, exxon will owe a "substantial 2009 tax liability.""... And as shown, they ended up paying 15.1bil in income taxes for 2009.. As per the financial statements that i linked to you

epic fail, you idiot asshole troll...

c'mon back shitty... It's enjoyable bitch slapping your winger bullshit

I'm tired of making you look like a fool with no credibility jr., so run along and play with yourself.................

 

[California Girl]

c'mon winger shit-tao... Wanna dig deeper?

Right from the forbes article that your winger site tried to cherry pick from....
what the top u.s. Companies pay in taxes - forbes.com
"mind you, not all global megacorps enjoy such low tax rates. Try to muster some pity for big oil. Exxonmobil ( xom - news - people ) in its 2009 annual report to the sec, recorded a larger income tax expense than any other u.s. Company last year, some $17.6 billion, or 47% of pretax earnings." that shows for 2008... And since the article was written before exxon's returns for 2009 were completed... "though exxon's financial statement's don't show any net income tax liability owed to uncle sam, a company spokesman insists that once its final tax bill is figured, exxon will owe a "substantial 2009 tax liability.""... And as shown, they ended up paying 15.1bil in income taxes for 2009.. As per the financial statements that i linked to you

epic fail, you idiot asshole troll...

c'mon back shitty... It's enjoyable bitch slapping your winger bullshit

I'm tired of making you look like a fool with no credibility jr., so run along and play with yourself.................

Sorry, I missed the post where you made DD look like a fool, could you let me know where I can find this epic?

 

[hortysir]

Do you understand what socialism is?

What tenets of socialism go against the Constitution?

The part about individual rights?
As in NOT those of the Collective Government?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Do you understand what socialism is?

What tenets of socialism go against the Constitution?

The part about individual rights?
As in NOT those of the Collective Government?

One more person to add to the list of American's who don't know what socialism is.

Socialism is NOT a form of government - its an economic system. There is nothing about socialism that precludes "individual rights".

 

[shintao]

c'mon back shitty... It's enjoyable bitch slapping your winger bullshit

i'm tired of making you look like a fool with no credibility jr., so run along and play with yourself.................

sorry, i missed the post where you made dd look like a fool, could you let me know where i can find this epic?

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[Dick Tuck]

Do you understand what socialism is?

What tenets of socialism go against the Constitution?

The part about individual rights?
As in NOT those of the Collective Government?

So which amendment exactly does a socialist program, like public education, violate?

 

[Flopper]

Discussions of Socialism are always amusing. What so many fail to grasp, is that there are no true socialist countries and there are no true capitalistic countries. Except for a few notable exceptions, every country's economic system is a blend of socialism and capitalism.

Many on the Right feel that any move toward socialism is wrong and is leading us toward disaster. There is a grain of truth here. If social programs are introduced to a point where the existence of free markets are seriously threaten, as was the case in the USSR, China, Cuba, & North Korea then the Right’s fears would be well founded. However, the US is one of the most capitalist nations and there is little chance that US would ever do this. Yet the Right raves on constantly about the grave dangers of socialism.

Social programs such as public education, Social Security, universals healthcare, assistance for the poor have proved their worth throughout the world. As with all endeavors, some countries introduce poorly conceived and administered programs, but all and all, most countries the Right considers socialist have done pretty well. For example, the Right often chastises Sweden for it’s social programs and effect on the economy. Today unemployment in Sweden is very close the US 9.5% rate. The average GDP in Sweden over the last 4 years is 2.5% beating the US rate of 2.0%. Sweden’s standard of living and life expectancy are almost second to none. Sweden is a world leader in education. Swedish healthcare is consistently highly ranked. In a recent survey, more than 70 percent of the Swedes said it would be easy to find quality care at a reasonable price if a family member became ill, compared to just 51 percent of Americans. Other countries experience with social programs varies of course, but if you take off your political filtered glasses and look at the real world, good social programs can coexist with free markets, a high standard living, and a robust economy.

 

[hortysir]

Do you understand what socialism is?

What tenets of socialism go against the Constitution?

The part about individual rights?
As in NOT those of the Collective Government?

One more person to add to the list of American's who don't know what socialism is.

Socialism is NOT a form of government - its an economic system. There is nothing about socialism that precludes "individual rights".

How many quasi-doctors does one forum need, anyhow???

Economic system, huh?
Nothing political about it??
Who the fuck would impose this "economic system", asswipe?
You think we'd all just volunteer for it?

 

[hortysir]

Do you understand what socialism is?

What tenets of socialism go against the Constitution?

The part about individual rights?
As in NOT those of the Collective Government?

So which amendment exactly does a socialist program, like public education, violate?

You've replied to the uber-far-right with that question.
I've never claimed that all social programs are bad.

To play along and give the answer you're digging for, I'd have to say that there is no constitutional authority over education?????
Is that their normal response?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

And a bunch of bullshit winger links from the troll.. AGAIN

....And....as usual....you can't dispute any of it.

​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

.....and, that's such a bad thing....how do Republicans get-away with being such enthusiastic-beneficiaries?

​

Take a look at the red states. You will find that most of them are federal welfare states, receiving more back from the fed than they pay in.

Take away the federal tit they are sucking and they would likely collapse.

Nawwwwwww......I think they'd still suck.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

.....and, that's such a bad thing....how do Republicans get-away with being such enthusiastic-beneficiaries?

​

Take a look at the red states. You will find that most of them are federal welfare states, receiving more back from the fed than they pay in.

Take away the federal tit they are sucking and they would likely collapse.

Yeah.. because we have all kinds of room for military bases in high income and tax cities like Los Angeles, New York, and Chicago.... and the federal interstate miles in Kansas are less than what they are in Connecticut....
Yes, there are problems in the pet projects many representatives get for their states... but don't just paint this as a blanket picture.

Like onecut39 said......you Red-Staters can't get enough stim-buck$.

Ya' keep demanding tax-cuts......but, you're still beggin' Obama for your next "fix".

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[theDoctorisIn]

The part about individual rights?
As in NOT those of the Collective Government?

One more person to add to the list of American's who don't know what socialism is.

Socialism is NOT a form of government - its an economic system. There is nothing about socialism that precludes "individual rights".

How many quasi-doctors does one forum need, anyhow???

Economic system, huh?
Nothing political about it??
Who the fuck would impose this "economic system", asswipe?
You think we'd all just volunteer for it?

I'm in no way a doctor. It's a Hunter Thompson tribute.

I'm also in no fucking way a socialist. Socialism is a flawed concept, just like a purely free market. They're pie-in-the-sky utopian dreams that could never exist in reality.

I just like people to know what the words they post mean.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Discussions of Socialism are always amusing. What so many fail to grasp, is that there are no true socialist countries and there are no true capitalistic countries. Except for a few notable exceptions, every country's economic system is a blend of socialism and capitalism.

Many on the Right feel that any move toward socialism is wrong and is leading us toward disaster. There is a grain of truth here. If social programs are introduced to a point where the existence of free markets are seriously threaten, as was the case in the USSR, China, Cuba, & North Korea then the Right’s fears would be well founded. However, the US is one of the most capitalist nations and there is little chance that US would ever do this. Yet the Right raves on constantly about the grave dangers of socialism.

Social programs such as public education, Social Security, universals healthcare, assistance for the poor have proved their worth throughout the world. As with all endeavors, some countries introduce poorly conceived and administered programs, but all and all, most countries the Right considers socialist have done pretty well. For example, the Right often chastises Sweden for it’s social programs and effect on the economy. Today unemployment in Sweden is very close the US 9.5% rate. The average GDP in Sweden over the last 4 years is 2.5% beating the US rate of 2.0%. Sweden’s standard of living and life expectancy are almost second to none. Sweden is a world leader in education. Swedish healthcare is consistently highly ranked. In a recent survey, more than 70 percent of the Swedes said it would be easy to find quality care at a reasonable price if a family member became ill, compared to just 51 percent of Americans. Other countries experience with social programs varies of course, but if you take off your political filtered glasses and look at the real world, good social programs can coexist with free markets, a high standard living, and a robust economy.

Because pure free market capitalism and socialism are both utopian unrealistic ideals, which could only ever exist in the mind of an economist. Both ideals don't take a basic tenet of human nature: if you get enough people together, some of them will figure out how to twist the system to their ends.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Personally, I'd tell DC to "get bent" but then ;like Ron Paul; I'd probably get about 2% of the vote in the process so my thoughts are to fight it but don't look a dense jackass in the mouth either , take what your being forced to pay for weather you like it or not.

Forced???!!!!

Please.....

Ya' gotta REQUEST/ASK FOR that ca$h!!!!! (....Just like the video displayed!!

)

BTW....that's "....whether you like it or not."​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

If Obama is a socialist.... If socialism is a system that the left wing want to replace the Constitution, then we should have an open and honest debate. Run as socialist, be open about shredding the documents that founded the nation. Make the argument and let the people decide. Easy

Yeah....it really sounds like "conservatives" need to be talked-into-it.




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