If obama had a birth certificate we would have seen it by now!

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPxi9ispU9w&feature=related]YouTube - IF OBAMA HAD A BIRTH CERTIFICATE WE WOULD HAVE SEEN IT BY NOW![/ame]
     
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    Psst.

    We have.

    Don't have to thank me. I'm here to help.
     
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    You have NOT seen the birth certificate from 1961 with the seal on it.
    What you have seen is a forged receipt for a birth certificate.
     
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    Where he is dead wrong.

    1. "If you go back to their statement, it does not mention it's a Hawaiian birth certificate."

    :rofl:

    Hey. Call a state (or country!) where you were NOT born. Ask them for your birth certificate. Then come tell us what happened (after they stopped laughing at you, that is).

    2. Hawaii allows people NOT born in Hawaii to get a Hawaiian birth certificate. Anyone!

    So... after all this time, why has there not been a single birther to prove this? C'mon. If it's so damn easy to do, get moving! I suggest you people look at Hawaiian statutes. That is NOT what they allow.

    3. "He is a naturalized citizen."

    Please provide record of his naturalization ceremony/oath. This is public record. Thanks.

    4. "Even if he WAS born in Hawaii, he lost his US citizenship when he moved to Indonesia."

    False. That is not possible.

    US CODE: Title 8,1481. Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions

    § 1481. Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions


    (a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—

    (1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

    (2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

    (3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if

    (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or

    (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer; or

    (4) (A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or

    (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or

    (5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State; or

    (6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as not contrary to the interests of national defense; or

    (7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.

    (b) Whenever the loss of United States nationality is put in issue in any action or proceeding commenced on or after September 26, 1961 under, or by virtue of, the provisions of this chapter or any other Act, the burden shall be upon the person or party claiming that such loss occurred, to establish such claim by a preponderance of the evidence. Any person who commits or performs, or who has committed or performed, any act of expatriation under the provisions of this chapter or any other Act shall be presumed to have done so voluntarily, but such presumption may be rebutted upon a showing, by a preponderance of the evidence, that the act or acts committed or performed were not done voluntarily.

    i.e. you have to be an adult, and do so voluntarily with the intention of relinquishing your US Citizenship.

    Oh. And btw. Before you claim he has dual citizenship with Kenya or Indonesia, that is impossible as well. Kenya doesn't recognize dual citizenship, and Indonesia allows dual citizenship until the age of 21. At age 18, they have 3 years to choose the nationality of one of the parents.
     
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    I've seen the only document that the state of Hawaii issues upon request for a bc.
     
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    We HAVE seen the short form, which is what Hawaii issues for proof of birth. Further we have had the Government of Hawaii OFFICIAL state for the record TWICE he has a valid birth certificate in that State. I seriously doubt a Republican Governor and LT Governor would help Hawaii lie about Obama.

    Obama SHOULD release the long form rather then pay attorneys to hide it, he should stop paying attorneys to hide his and his wife's college records as well. All e is doing is breeding conspiracy theories based on hos own stupid actions.
     
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    Obama has offered to release his birth certificate as soon as Sarah Palin releases her High School Diploma
     
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    she's helpless.She is an Obama apologist who only see's what she WANTS to see the same way Pale Rider only see's what he wants to see when it comes to 9/11 being an inside job.I wish it was someone else other than Pale Rider who had made all those good threads about Obama's birth ceritficate and was fighting for the truth about it cause he is just a racist who hates Obama and a Bush lover.

    That racist hypocrite goes and says Alex Jones is an idiot and puts him down for his videos he has made about 9/11 being an inside job yet he toots the horn of Alex Jones now cause of his video he made called THE OBAMA DECEPTION.total hypocrite.You cant have it both ways.Jones cant be wrong about 9/11 but right about Obama.It has to be either one or the other,wrong about BOTH subjects,or right about both subjects.Not this he is wrong about 9/11 but right about Obama crap Pale Rider sprouts off.
     
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    dum phucks voted in a muslim non citizen mulatto!!! lol
     

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