If Obama can't do simple MATH how can he

[healthmyths]

do Obamacare?

I mean he and supporters KEEP LYING about 47 million uninsured!
FACT of the mythical 47 million uninsured...
10 MILLION ARE NOT CITIZENS!
14 MILLION ARE ALREADY Covered by Medicaid!
17.5 MILLION under 34, earn over $50k refuse employer health insurance!
41.5 MILLION counted as UNINSURED but are either
1) NOT CITIZENS 2) already covered 3) Don't want health insurance..
SO when is OBAMA going to understand that 41.5 million from his bogus 47 million is
ACTUALLY 4.5 MILLION truly uninsured?

AND YOU obamacare supporters WANT this IDIOT and other IDIOTS to run YOUR health care?

I mean what person in their right mind would approve any health insurance claim that knowingly includes a 6,000% MARKUP over cost of services???
Yet medicare does that!
What INDUSTRY would when the experts beg and plead NOT to force them to submit duplicate tests, specialist referrals...ALL that create $600 billion in WASTED DEFENSIVE Medicine costs"?
Yet 90% of physicians surveyed say they do that out of fear of lawsuits!

AND idiots want the Government to continue to destroy health care by stupid actions like above... I mean simple math folks!!!

So there was no health care crisis in this country before Obamacare came along?

... and you want to talk about "simple math??????"

No you don't.

"HEALTH CARE CRISIS" is manufactured and CAN BE eliminated in 5 years!
$100 billion to $200 billion a year in cost savings!!
ALL without Obamacare destroying health care!

1) Tax lawyers 10% on their $100 billion!
2) Use the $10 billion to pay annual premium for the 5 million truly "uninsured"
3) Any hospital seeing an "uninsured" patient must:
a) register uninsured with the "Uninsured Health Insurance Co." (UHIC).
b) send claims to UHIC
c) Agree to annual audit of Medicare/private insurance claims to VERIFY NOT
padding and passing on "uncompensated" services!
RESULTS?
1) The $600 billion a year in Defensive medicine costs WILL drop easily from 10 to 20%
Easily $60 billion or more in claims wouldn't be sent to Medicare/private insurance!
2) "Padding and Passing" of the remaining claims that amount to over $1 trillion will be
reduced by at least 10% or $100 billion!

Savings... over $100 billion to $200 billion a year!!!
1) Causes private insurance premiums to stop escalating.
2) Reduces Medicare expenses!

 

[healthmyths]

Follow the FACT THAT:
14 million counted as uninsured COVERED BY MEDICAID!!!

Eligible for Medicaid is not the same as covered by Medicaid. Particularly in states that have done their best to design as many roadblocks as possible into their systems to ensure that enrollment numbers are significantly less than eligibility numbers.

An important piece of the ACA (and, for children, CHIPRA) involves simplifying and streamlining eligibility and enrollment systems, as well as significantly improving the customer service experience, to ensure that people who are eligible face no artificial barriers to enrollment.

So yes, many of those who are eligible for Medicaid but unenrolled need the ACA.

Follow the FACT THAT:
14 million counted as uninsured COVERED BY MEDICAID!!!
Another problem with the CPS was noted in an April 26, 2005 Los Angeles Times article: The survey may count some individuals as uninsured even though they are covered by Medicaid. Experts who have examined Census Bureau figures estimate 10 to 14 million individuals who are counted as uninsured likely qualified for Medicaid or S-CHIP coverage.
Few Americans Lack Access to Health Coverage | Heartlander MagazineFew Americans Lack Access to Health Coverage | Heartlander Magazine

 

[healthmyths]

I mean what person in their right mind would approve any health insurance claim that knowingly includes a 6,000% MARKUP over cost of services???

Seeing as the prices of simple procedures can vary by as much as 12,000% within a state, quite a few folks it would seem. Private payers, even!

How much does an appendectomy cost? Study says price can range from $1,500 to $180,000 - Tampa Bay Times

I have access to a database of 6,000+ hospitals.
Tell me what city you live in and I'll tell you what the largest hospital in that city OVERCHARGES Medicare for outpatient services.. for example:
Univ. Community Hospital Tampa..
Did 2,110 CAT scan no contrast in 2009.
They sent 2,110 claims to Medicare at $2,635 for each claim.
BUT IT Cost the hospital $43 each...
A 6,127.91% that Medicare PAID!! 2,110 times!

 

[healthmyths]

This is great. Now wingnuts are just totally making shit up. No more spinning and twisting - just make shit up.

The Census said :
Table C. People Without Health Insurance in 2009 -- Not a citizen 9,936,000
Newsroom: Income & Wealth: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009

That's better. How many of those working legally?

But that still leaves about 40 million US Citizens without any form of health insurance.

But you 'Conservatives' believe that is acceptable, and that having over 750,000 families a year going bankrupt because of medical bills is a good thing. Such nice people you are.

NO.. 14 million counted as UNINSURED are COVERED BY MEDICAID!
17.5 million who make over $50k, under age 34 DON"T WANT health insurance or NEED it... YET they are totally and WRONGLY counted as part of the "UNINSURED"!!

That leaves 5.5 MILLION NOT 47 million not 40 million BUT 5.5 million... AREN"T you a little concerned if Obama administration GrOSSLY overestimates a problem by over 88%??
I.e. not 47 million "uninsured" but 5.5 million is over 88% OFF from reality!
What kind of competency is that?

 

[Greenbeard]

NO.. 14 million counted as UNINSURED are COVERED BY MEDICAID!

No, they are not. They are still uninsured. At best they may be eligible for Medicaid. As already explained, there are often mechanisms in place designed to keep those eligibles from enrolling (or staying enrolled) in Medicaid. Those mechanisms are eliminated by the ACA.

Those people still need the ACA.

What are the odds this needs to be explained to you a third time?

 

[healthmyths]

NO you are wrong!
14 million counted as uninsured COVERED BY MEDICAID!!!
Another problem with the CPS was noted in an April 26, 2005 Los Angeles Times article: The survey may count some individuals as uninsured even though they are covered by Medicaid. Experts who have examined Census Bureau figures estimate 10 to 14 million individuals who are counted as uninsured likely qualified for Medicaid or S-CHIP coverage.
Few Americans Lack Access to Health Coverage | Heartlander MagazineFew Americans Lack Access to Health Coverage | Heartlander Magazine


THEY ARE QUALIFIED which means if they want they can get coverage!
But the 47 million figure includes 17.5 million that QUALIFY for coverage but don't want it!

SO which is it???
If 14 million ARE covered by don't know it.. THAT means 47 million minus 14 million.
If 17.5 million ELIGIBLE but don't want it why then are they counted as "uninsured"??
YOU can't have it both ways!!!

 

[BlackAsCoal]

do Obamacare?

I mean he and supporters KEEP LYING about 47 million uninsured!
FACT of the mythical 47 million uninsured...
10 MILLION ARE NOT CITIZENS!
14 MILLION ARE ALREADY Covered by Medicaid!
17.5 MILLION under 34, earn over $50k refuse employer health insurance!
41.5 MILLION counted as UNINSURED but are either
1) NOT CITIZENS 2) already covered 3) Don't want health insurance..
SO when is OBAMA going to understand that 41.5 million from his bogus 47 million is
ACTUALLY 4.5 MILLION truly uninsured?

AND YOU obamacare supporters WANT this IDIOT and other IDIOTS to run YOUR health care?

I mean what person in their right mind would approve any health insurance claim that knowingly includes a 6,000% MARKUP over cost of services???
Yet medicare does that!
What INDUSTRY would when the experts beg and plead NOT to force them to submit duplicate tests, specialist referrals...ALL that create $600 billion in WASTED DEFENSIVE Medicine costs"?
Yet 90% of physicians surveyed say they do that out of fear of lawsuits!

AND idiots want the Government to continue to destroy health care by stupid actions like above... I mean simple math folks!!!

So there was no health care crisis in this country before Obamacare came along?

... and you want to talk about "simple math??????"

No you don't.

"HEALTH CARE CRISIS" is manufactured and CAN BE eliminated in 5 years!
$100 billion to $200 billion a year in cost savings!!
ALL without Obamacare destroying health care!

1) Tax lawyers 10% on their $100 billion!
2) Use the $10 billion to pay annual premium for the 5 million truly "uninsured"
3) Any hospital seeing an "uninsured" patient must:
a) register uninsured with the "Uninsured Health Insurance Co." (UHIC).
b) send claims to UHIC
c) Agree to annual audit of Medicare/private insurance claims to VERIFY NOT
padding and passing on "uncompensated" services!
RESULTS?
1) The $600 billion a year in Defensive medicine costs WILL drop easily from 10 to 20%
Easily $60 billion or more in claims wouldn't be sent to Medicare/private insurance!
2) "Padding and Passing" of the remaining claims that amount to over $1 trillion will be
reduced by at least 10% or $100 billion!

Savings... over $100 billion to $200 billion a year!!!
1) Causes private insurance premiums to stop escalating.
2) Reduces Medicare expenses!

Easy question .. are you suggesting there was no healthcare crisis before Obamacare?

 

[healthmyths]

So there was no health care crisis in this country before Obamacare came along?

... and you want to talk about "simple math??????"

No you don't.

"HEALTH CARE CRISIS" is manufactured and CAN BE eliminated in 5 years!
$100 billion to $200 billion a year in cost savings!!
ALL without Obamacare destroying health care!

1) Tax lawyers 10% on their $100 billion!
2) Use the $10 billion to pay annual premium for the 5 million truly "uninsured"
3) Any hospital seeing an "uninsured" patient must:
a) register uninsured with the "Uninsured Health Insurance Co." (UHIC).
b) send claims to UHIC
c) Agree to annual audit of Medicare/private insurance claims to VERIFY NOT
padding and passing on "uncompensated" services!
RESULTS?
1) The $600 billion a year in Defensive medicine costs WILL drop easily from 10 to 20%
Easily $60 billion or more in claims wouldn't be sent to Medicare/private insurance!
2) "Padding and Passing" of the remaining claims that amount to over $1 trillion will be
reduced by at least 10% or $100 billion!

Savings... over $100 billion to $200 billion a year!!!
1) Causes private insurance premiums to stop escalating.
2) Reduces Medicare expenses!

Easy question .. are you suggesting there was no healthcare crisis before Obamacare?

ABSOLUTELY NO healthcare Crisis!
Check out what EMTALA means a "compassionate" act passed by congress in 1986!

A) There are NOT 47 million UNINSURED.. 5.5 million!
B) Fear of lawsuits by physicians ADD $600 billion a year in defensive medicine,..i.e.
running duplicate tests, seeking 2nd opinions,etc. all fear of lawsuits that causes
according to 90% of physicians!!!
C) OVERCHARGING of Medicare/private insurance BY hospitals ALL due to EMTALA!
6,000% more for A CAT scan for example over costs! WHY.. EMTALA.

So NO.. there is NO crisis that required destruction of 1/6th of the GDP!
That ONLY attacked tanning salons, prosthetic manufacturers, among the health related Obamacare targets while EXEMPTING the $100 billion lawyers make from the $600 billion defensive medicine results!

Remember what Obama's advisor's said: Rahm Emanuel:
You never want a serious crisis to go to waste'
and he could have gone on and said "and if one doesn't exit make it up!"

 

[Neotrotsky]

Nothing of use comes out of his mouth
It is the same crap