If my doctor says $1 of every $4 is spent on "defensive medicine"..

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    I would kind of have to believe him!

    I mean he and 90% of other physicians must have some basis for this survey:

    According to a 2010 survey of physicians by Gallup for Alpharetta-based Jackson Healthcare, one of every four dollars spent in health care goes to defensive medicine.
    Nine out of 10 U.S. physicians (92 percent) reported practicing defensive medicine, according to a new online survey released today by Jackson Healthcare, a healthcare management company.
    Defensive medicine refers to tests, hospitalizations, prescriptions and surgical procedures physicians consider medically unnecessary, but order in an attempt to avoid lawsuits.
    According to Gallup’s study, physicians estimate that one in four dollars (26 percent) spent on health care in America pays for unnecessary tests and treatments.
    “The consequences of this waste affect all of us,” said Jackson. “Costs go up and quality and access go down when our physicians are under the constant personal threat of litigation.”
    “Our online survey found that they feel trapped between the Hippocratic Oath and their personal desire to stay out of court and in business.”

    Doctors Practice Medicine in Fear, New Study Finds

    and why would emergency room physicians lie???

    1) More than half (53 percent) of emergency physicians reported that fear of lawsuits is the main reason for ordering the number of tests they do.

    Emergency Visits Are Increasing, New Poll Finds; Many Patients Referred by Primary Care Doctors

    So when Obamacare defenders and defenders of those poor defenseless millionaire ambulance chasers say $600 billion a year is not accurate???

    Either they are "experts"??? "Delusional" or just plain ignorant and definitely hypocritically because they stupidly blame those evil insurance companies trying to make a PROFIT off a business that sends 80% or more of revenue on CLAIM payments! It doesn't make any sense to blame the company that processes the payments when the cause is simple fear of lawsuits being filed by millionaire lawyers!

    Yet you same people critical of health insurance companies totally ignore reality.. i.e. $600 billion a year in defensive medicine is a fact!
     
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    I do not believe that it is always in fear that doctors order unnecessary tests and procedures. I also know that part of the fear on the doctors side in emergency rooms is that they have been working for over 24 hours and are afraid they will make a mistake. I also know a lot of it is from lawsuits, but am not willing to give up my rights over it. So, as simple as you would like to make this seem, it is actually a lot more complex.
     
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    What is President Obama's position on tort reform?
     
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    Are the hospitals/physicians making money or losing money on all the so-called unnecessary tests/procedures being referenced here?
     
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    How is it "State Level Reform" when it's being written by the Obama Justice Dept.?
    From your link:
    Health Courts? Run by whom?
    Yeah, it would bring corruption too as the I'll bet the judges would be Presidential or Political appointments. Oh Lawd!
    Plus this article claims "defensive medicine" is less costly than advertised:
    So let's re-write the laws and set up Health Courts so the we can save uh, no money? :confused:
     
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    States retain control of their own tort law, instead of having it federalized as some advocate. However, they can get federal money for things like development, implementation, and evaluation of state-level tort reforms if they meet certain standards.

    A bipartisan idea. Paul Ryan's health reform bill contained grants to states to set up health courts as well.
     
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    There are two sides to what is called defensive medicine. One is that extra tests are run as a form of protection to avoid any potential lawsuits. The other though, is that many times, having a few extra tests to determine the real cause of an illness or medical issue is necessary. Everyone thinks that because someone has a medical license to practice medicine that means they magically know everything and should be able to make a correct diagnosis just by taking your temperature, and looking in your mouth and ears. It isn't always that simple.

    I have Hemochromatosis. I know more about it then any of my doctors. Luckily, my doctors are not overly arrogant and they actually allow me to determine what tests I need and when I should have them. We work together; I listen to them and they listen to me. It helps that I am very well informed, and they know this, so it is much easier for them to work with me. This would not be possible if I didn't know what I'm talking about. A lot of people out there don't know enough about their conditions to know what a doctor should be doing or not doing. Being an informed patient is extremely important. However, there is also such a thing as an over-informed patient. These are the ones who think that they know everything and their doctor knows nothing. This can be a problem also. The best situation is one where the patient is informed and is willing to listen and work with their doctor and where the doctor is willing to work with the patient.
     
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    "is always in fear "
    Did I SAY THAT?? "ALWAYS"????
    It doesn't have to be "ALWAYS" to be a BIG $600 billion waste!
    Take away $100 billion of the $600 billion and you realize that is a BIG deal that happens 1 out of 4 times... NOT ALWAYS!!
    Once again hyperbole blown apart by FACTS!!!

    AND who said you give up a right???
    But you tell me why should a jury award a woman who spilled the entire cup of coffee on her lap. ... In addition, they awarded her $2.7 million in punitive damages?
    How is that for HYPERBOLIC anecdotal illustration?
    See that's why I am trying to get people like you to understand Obamacare DIDN"T address the biggest cost drivers.. because you and others seem to approve the millionaire lawyers that paid Obama/Congress $300 million in 2008 NOT to address TORT REFORM!!!
     

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