If Kerry were president-elect come 11/3...

[sagegirl]

Your original sentiment that the Democrats are all secretly anti-war and that Kerry's support is generated almost exclusively by hatred for George W. Bush seems antithetical to the ideas expressed by the language of the "liberal" voice you assumed in your post.

Let me throw it to you like this..."Bush favors the rich". This is countered by the Republican sentiment that John Kerry disfavors the middle class. This is an ideological difference which would fuel a large rift. You can say someone is wrong about this, but don't say they're saying it merely because they 'hate' Bush. I, personally, *dislike* W. because I'm not convinced of the feasibility of top-down economics. But I'm not going around saying people 'hate' Kerry because they disagree with him on this point.

I suppose my main beef has to do with the assertion that the hypothetical liberal rant you presupposed was 'caused' by 'hatred' for Bush. I'd say that what you call hatred (and I call dislike and distrust, by and large) follows FROM these ideological differences, not expressed BECAUSE of hatred.

There are of course some people who hate Bush. But to discredit the credibility of a liberal's (or an anti-Bush's) assertions by assuming what their motivations are is to do a great injustice to these people.

I appreciate the tone of your message. There are sure alot of judgemental and disrepectful comments. I love an intelligent debate of the issues especially when both sides are LISTENING to each other. Right and wrong are value judgements and opinions, not absolutes, no matter how desperately we want them to be. Anyone who has decided that they are absolutely right could end up being just the opposite.

 

[tim_duncan2000]

I'd be deeply saddened if Kerry were to win. But I would be very thankful for the power Republicans still yield in Congress to keep him in check.

I will be thankful for that too. I will be pissed if Kerry is elected because of assholes like Moore and the idiot liberals who believe every word he says. However, if Kerry is elected, I will have a chance to see what it was like for the Bush-haters when they hated who was in office, though I think I will use more facts than they did.

 

[sagegirl]

I should think all of you Bush supporters would cheer. I think the next 4 years are going to be really tough. George admitted this in the debates by repeating over and over "heh look this is really tough". If Kerry is elected they can just blame Kerry. If, on the other hand Bush gets re-elcted he will have to take responsibility for some of this. Bush hasnt got a great track record over the past 4 years, so he would have a chance to prove himself. Please dont tell me its the dems and the liberals that are responsible for the shortcomings........a leader takes charge and responsiility for the things that happen on his watch. A successful leader can claim pride for his accomplishments and an ineffctive leader usually blames others for his failures. We will see how this all works our in the next 4.

 

[nakedemperor]

I should think all of you Bush supporters would cheer. I think the next 4 years are going to be really tough. George admitted this in the debates by repeating over and over "heh look this is really tough". If Kerry is elected they can just blame Kerry. If, on the other hand Bush gets re-elcted he will have to take responsibility for some of this. Bush hasnt got a great track record over the past 4 years, so he would have a chance to prove himself. Please dont tell me its the dems and the liberals that are responsible for the shortcomings........a leader takes charge and responsiility for the things that happen on his watch. A successful leader can claim pride for his accomplishments and an ineffctive leader usually blames others for his failures. We will see how this all works our in the next 4.

The reason that conservatives were able to accomplish so many things on their agenda was because they controlled the legislative and the executive. Historically, financial responsibility goes right out the window when one party controls both branches. The HUGE partisan rift was one reason that the legislative Republicans began to simply take marching orders from the President, and did pretty much exactly what the president wanted them to. Dance puppets, dance! So when you're the father and the child, you give yourself your own allowance and you spend it at will. This isn't really their fault, it just happens because the opportunity to do what you want is there.

If Kerry is elected and the GOP retains the legislative, more checks and balances are in place-- fiscal conservation historically follows from this combination, merely because there's so much "I wanna do this" and "But I ain't gonna let ya" going on. Its not exactly a knock against George Bush that he didn't veto one single bill in 4 years (arguable, I mean), because the only bills he ever saw were ones he supported. I think a Democratic executive and a conservative legislative is healthier, and Rep-Rep match would simply breed more of the same-- lots of spending and little accountability (same with a Dem-Dem match).

 

[fuzzykitten99]

What would be your thoughts/ reactions?

:fifty: :alco:

 

[theim]

I should think all of you Bush supporters would cheer. I think the next 4 years are going to be really tough. George admitted this in the debates by repeating over and over "heh look this is really tough". If Kerry is elected they can just blame Kerry. If, on the other hand Bush gets re-elcted he will have to take responsibility for some of this. Bush hasnt got a great track record over the past 4 years, so he would have a chance to prove himself. Please dont tell me its the dems and the liberals that are responsible for the shortcomings........a leader takes charge and responsiility for the things that happen on his watch. A successful leader can claim pride for his accomplishments and an ineffctive leader usually blames others for his failures. We will see how this all works our in the next 4.

And there is the difference between us and many (not all) Bush-haters. We don't root for bad things to happen because we don't approve of the guy in charge.

 

[lolita715]

I'd demand a recount.

A recount didnt do anyone anygood in 2000

 

[GWBfan]

[QUOTE=nakedemperor Let me throw it to you like this..."Bush favors the rich". This is countered by the Republican sentiment that John Kerry disfavors the middle class. This is an ideological difference which would fuel a large rift.

I'm a Republican and this is the first I've heard that my party thinks John Kerry disfavors the middle class. Do you mean "favors"? And if you do, that's also a first for me..
Any facts to back up this claim?

 

[GWBfan]

I'm still wondering whom and when made the above statements..Facts please!

 

[KarlMarx]

If Kerry won the election, I would be very concerned about the future of this country.

We would be treated to four years of an administration with no compass, flip-flopping on issues, doing things for the sake of political expediency, hostile to defense spending and a strong posture against terror (we would probably see another terrorist attack on our soil, against an embassy or a military installation during a Kerry presidency). And of course, whenever the consequences of Kerry's misguided liberal policies come to fruition, the Republicans, Conservatives, "Religious Right", Rush Limbaugh will become the scapegoat. And of course, the liberal media will be bending over backwards and jumping over the moon to accomodate Kerry's accusations.

However, if Bush wins, we won't be done with Kerry. First,they'll say that Bush stole the election again, demand scores of recounts, and tie up the matter in litigation for weeks or months. After losing the recount, the Democrats will whine, complain, moan, bitch, come up with conspiracy theories about Bush, Halliburton, Dick Cheney and so on. We'll have to endure the Democratic penchant for perseverating on accusations that wouldn't stand up to 10 seconds of honest intellectual debate. Examples of which are "Bush Lied, People Died", "Bush was selected, not elected" and other such catchy phrases that liberals have used to replace sincere political dialogue and mature discussion. And of course, the legions of disenfranchised liberals and Democratic voters will be moaning along with their leaders, treating the rest of us to four more years of the Great Liberal Temper Tantrum.

 

[musicman]

A recount didnt do anyone anygood in 2000

It harmed America - not that Algore gave a shit. But, ultimately, it confirmed the truth. Bush won.

 

[nakedemperor]

I mentioned it because Bush loves to point out that Kerry has voted many times in the past for tax hikes in the middle. He also says that Kerry is lying when he says he'll retain the middle class tax breaks. Logic there being that the president would have you believe that John Kerry doesn't favor the middle class (disfavors them), or that he favors them, but that the president does more.

 

[dilloduck]

naaaa Kerry is been trying to use the tax cut against Bush for months now. He's just figures there are more middle class voters so he's gonna suck up to em. The usual lib mantra.

 

[phadras]

Your original sentiment that the Democrats are all secretly anti-war and that Kerry's support is generated almost exclusively by hatred for George W. Bush seems antithetical to the ideas expressed by the language of the "liberal" voice you assumed in your post. Let me throw it to you like this..."Bush favors the rich". This is countered by the Republican sentiment that John Kerry disfavors the middle class. This is an ideological difference which would fuel a large rift. You can say someone is wrong about this, but don't say they're saying it merely because they 'hate' Bush. I, personally, *dislike* W. because I'm not convinced of the feasibility of top-down economics. But I'm not going around saying people 'hate' Kerry because they disagree with him on this point.

I suppose my main beef has to do with the assertion that the hypothetical liberal rant you presupposed was 'caused' by 'hatred' for Bush. I'd say that what you call hatred (and I call dislike and distrust, by and large) follows FROM these ideological differences, not expressed BECAUSE of hatred.

There are of course some people who hate Bush. But to discredit the credibility of a liberal's (or an anti-Bush's) assertions by assuming what their motivations are is to do a great injustice to these people.

economics just capitalism which seems to bother you.. I wonder why?
Could it be you're a socialist? Seems to explain it...

 

[JOKER96BRAVO]

Halo 2 comes out in a week and my life will be good again.

YES