If Jefferson founded the Republican Party what place do Democrats have in America?

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Where is My 10,000 dollars?

are you accepting the bet, legally?? Do you have a primary source saying that Jefferson's party was called Democratic -Republican, not Republican?

Did you know the Jefferson's Republican Party believed in freedom from big liberal government just as modern Republicans do?

5th Congress (1797-1799)
Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

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6th Congress (1799-1801)

Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

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7th Congress (1801-1803)

Majority Party: Republican (17 seats)

Minority Party: Federalist (15 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Vacant: 2

Total Seats: 34

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Where is My 10,000 dollars?

Do you have primary source to say Jefferson founded Democratic Republican party, not Republican Party that stood for freedom from big liberal government??



"In referring to political parties I have adopted the names which the respective parties used in self-designation. Thus the Jeffersonian party has been referred to throughout as the Republican Party. This name came into use early in the 1790's among persons who considered themselves of a common political "interest", and the term "Republican interest" was generally used until it was replaced by the more definite "Republican Party".

The Jeffersonian Republicans( the formation of Party organization (1789-1801) by Noble E. Cunningham,Jr.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Edward, you have lost. Give it up. OP fail, officially.

 

[Darkwind]

Where is My 10,000 dollars?

are you accepting the bet, legally?? Do you have a primary source saying that Jefferson's party was called Democratic -Republican, not Republican?

Did you know the Jefferson's Republican Party believed in freedom from big liberal government just as modern Republicans do?

5th Congress (1797-1799)
Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

6th Congress (1799-1801)

Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

7th Congress (1801-1803)

Majority Party: Republican (17 seats)

Minority Party: Federalist (15 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Vacant: 2

Total Seats: 34

Coward.

I gave you three legitimate sources that detail historically, the fact that the party was founded as the Democrat-Republican Party.
What I provided is is ACCEPTED and RATIFIED historical facts.

If you believe you are some kind of conservative, please stop. You are embarrassing yourself and making those of us who ARE conservative look like fools.

Pay Me the 10,000 dollars. You've lost.

And forever more, I'll call you a partisan, lying coward.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Edward is not a conservative, merely a wack from the far right.

 

[Darkwind]

Edward is not a conservative, merely a wack from the far right.

So I'm gathering.

I wonder how he reconciles the fact that the current political party for the republicans is listed a the "Grand Old Party" or GOP. Their official website lists them as GOP, yet in elections, the tally's are short-handed as Republicans.

I don't think that he understands how political parties are designated vs how reporting agencies refer to them.

Either way, I've proven My point, and of course, history is what it is.

I'm done with him since he lacks the honor to pay up on his wagers.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Edward is not tall, only clever, as the saying goes. He is for fun and chuckles, nothing more.

 

[KevinWestern]

Really, it would seem they have little place in America given that their ideas about big government are the opposite of the basic Constitutional idea of limited central government formalized by our founders.

FDR was really the first liberal Democrat and his New Deal was mostly leftist inspired, not America inspired, as his choice of Henry Wallace, Alger Hiss and the others would indicate. Now they have Obama who had two communist parents and voted to the left of Bernie Sanders. How can we conclude that Democrats are anything but a genuine Trojan Horse on American soil? I have yet to hear an answer to this.

Very strange sort question, Edward.

Now it seems that there’s some debate on whether or not Jefferson was in fact the “founder” of the modern Republican Party, but...

..even if he was, how does that in any way make the case that Democrats “don’t belong” in America? Was Thomas Jefferson an all knowing God figure, who held golden political views that transcended time and space (meaning they were perfect to his time, our time, and time to come), and if one were to hold a contrasting view he/she would be automatically wrong?

Also, FDR was a great President that led our nation out of a difficult time, and was an example of how one can use the government effectively to meaningfully improve the lives of Americans. Bad mouthing FDR just seems un-called for and petty.

Also, Obama is not a communist, and there’s no apocalyptic “Trojan” horse plot taking place; you just simply have to accept the fact that not all of the 300,000,000+ Americans think exactly like you.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Hey, I bet at least four Americans think like Edward!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Now it seems that there’s some debate on whether or not Jefferson was in fact the “founder” of the modern Republican Party, but...

..even if he was, how does that in any way make the case that Democrats “don’t belong” in America?

Very simple. Democratic ideas were never American ideas. Now you know why Democrats spied for Stalin and were hung. Now it makes sense that BO, our most liberal President, had 2 communist parents and voted to the left of Bernie Sanders.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Was Thomas Jefferson an all knowing God figure, who held golden political views that transcended time and space (meaning they were perfect to his time, our time, and time to come), and if one were to hold a contrasting view he/she would be automatically wrong?

yes he was a God like figure. He reversed 5 million years of history in an instant when he gave us freedom from big liberal government!
It was the only real revolution in human history, and now you know too

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Also, FDR was a great President that led our nation out of a difficult time,

If BO prolonged this depression for 10 years that led us into a world war that killed 60 million would you say he led us out of a difficult time or that he created a difficult time?

Now you know why millions and millions followed Hitler Stalin and Mao. They were as brainwashed as you obviously are. Is it painful to have such a perfect liberal sucker? Do you want to go to your grave in such a condition??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Also, Obama is not a communist, and there’s no apocalyptic “Trojan” horse plot taking place; you just simply have to accept the fact that not all of the 300,000,000+ Americans think exactly like you.

Obama said, in his biography, he gravitated to Marxist professors in college, he had a Marxist preacher best friend for 20 years, said in his auto biography that when he worked on Wall Street he felt as if "he had parachuted behind enemy lines", was more liberal in the Senate the Bernie Sanders( an open socialist) and now, despite 200 years of gov't growth, his deficits will be bigger than all other American presidents combined, and, he also wants perhaps absolute control over health care (already mostly controlled by gov't), banking, and the auto industry.

Through Frank Marshall Davis,( Communist Party number: 47544) Obama had an admitted deep and prolonged relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path.
But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."


Bernie Saunders is a Democrat and an open socialist. Obama is to the left of Saunders based on his voting record in the Senate.

Oleg Klugian (head of KGB in cold war) said that when he wanted to recruit spies he looked among the liberals. When FDR's liberals went to the USSR they came back on a ship named the "Leviathan" to report, "they had seen the future and it worked."

Then of course BO appointed at least 4 communists: Mark Lloyd (supporter of communist revolution in Venezuela) and Van Jones who said "give them the wealth, give them the wealth," and Annita Dunn who said, "Mao is my favorite philosopher" , and Bloom who said, "free markets are nonsense."

Obama: the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties....... it doesn’t say what the federal government [our genius founders forgot?] or the state government must do on your behalf.

I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive [Marxist] change.

Obama: "I think we can say that the Constitution reflected an enormous blind spot in this culture that carries on until this day, and that the Framers had that same blind spot."

Obama: the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties....... it doesn't say what the federal government [our genius founders forgot?] or the state government must do on your behalf.

In an article titled "The Impossible is Now Possible: Assessing the Obama Presidency," executive vice chair of the Communist Party United States, Jarvis Tyner hailed the President's "drive to the left." "The health care bill, the stimulus package, the cap-and-trade bill, the elimination of secret elections for union representation-it's a program we dared not dream possible only a year ago," Tyner wrote. "But now it's on the verge of becoming the new blueprint for a truly socialist America."

A quick visit to the CPUSA website yields:

"In some ways last night's State of the Union address by President Obama was a virtuoso performance. There were stirring moments, memorable turns of phrase, humor, a defense of activist government, and proposals that will be welcomed, and surely help, millions of people in need." Obama State of the Union: He got the ball rolling » cpusa


And, if all that is not enough BO wrote a book called " Dreams From my Father". His father was a drunken suicidal Marxist who dreamed to free the world from American imperialism. His mother married 2 communists and urged BO to follow is communist bio dad.


And lets not forget that BO is openly for single payer socialist health care!!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Edward, having the lost this OP overwhelmingly, has snuck back in and is posting silly drivel.

Edward, you are loser, know not of what you talk.

Go get and education and come back later, please. You are a boring, ignorant fool.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Hey, I bet at least four Americans think like Edward!

Hey, I'll bet the entire leadership of North Korea thinks just like Fakey Jake....

 

[JakeStarkey]

UncensoredFascist can't carry an argument. Never has. Pathetic at name calling. Stalks me offering homosexual passes about eating his dingo. Pathetic. Simply pathetic.