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[Avatar4321]

Avatar, honey, you're a conservative, which means it's a conservative-owned business, which means it's evil from the outset.

good point. Working hard to help your fellow man by providing them goods and services is clearly evil.

 

[Avatar4321]

Avatar

How poor does one have to be to be considered the scum of the earth by the right wing is a better question imho....

A better question? You mean a faulty one. The right doesnt consider the poor the scum of the earth. We don't think it terms of class. nor do we define people by the amount of income they make.

 

[Avatar4321]

How successful would I have to make it until I'm one of those evil businesses?

More successful than you're capable of, assuming that smarts are necessary, and based on the lack of same you've displayed here.

Was that supposed to be an insult? Why not answer the question? It's clear that businesses are evil to many of you on this board. What is wrong with explaining when the business goes from acceptable to evil?

 

[Jarhead]

Avatar, honey, you're a conservative, which means it's a conservative-owned business, which means it's evil from the outset.

good point. Working hard to help your fellow man by providing them goods and services is clearly evil.

Only if you make money doing it.

 

[Avatar4321]

How successful would I have to make it until I'm one of those evil businesses?

I love hypberbole.

How successful would a government employee have to be to become an evil greedy selfish cause for our nation's economic collapse?

Evil is not measured in terms of economic success Avatar. I might believe someone so full of pride as yourself, willing to suggest so often knowledge of what God thinks, would know that.

Evil is not measured in terms of how one follows or ignores the Ten Commandments, for bearing false witness is epidemic on this board and in the world at large; I'm sure you and your fellow 'conservatives' don't feel evil.

Let's simply call what you are doing on this thead mean. I don't believe you're evil, simply wrong. Scapegoating may not be a mortal sin, but in the mind of this agnostic, it is divisive and offers nothing postive to the conversation.

You are the ones claiming that certain businesses are evil. You don't believe in God. The question about how you determine when a company becomes evil is valid. The fact that I don't believe that evil is measured in terms of success is obvious from me asking the question.

And no we don't feel evil. We don't bear false witness like you do.

Now please tell me. At what point does a company become evil in your eyes?

 

[Avatar4321]

How successful would I have to make it until I'm one of those evil businesses?

Your actions and corruption levels determine that, not size or success.

Then why is it all big companies are considered evil by the left?

 

[Flopper]

Starting a business is the best way for a person to pull themselves up in the world, help their fellow man, and enjoy a higher living standard in the process. The only thing that stops the majority of potential entrepreneurs in this country is FEAR. Children are taught to "get an education and a good job". They should be taught "learn a skill and start a company".

The socialist scum that vilify capitalism should all be forced to move to Cuba. The socialist "'workers paradise" that is only 90 miles away and 90 years behind the free world......



Conservatives have no issue with helping the truly needy, but for every truly needy person or family there are 10 low lives that are gaming the system. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

no, I don't know that Zander.... MOST THAT ARE POOR, are truly poor and are not gaming the system....where you get that 90% of the poor are not poor is beyond me. (the reciprocal of the 10 to 1 ratio of low lifes you speak of above)

90% of the 50% that you all bitch about ad nausea that do not pay any federal income taxes are not lazy ass scumbags.....

generalizations such as that, is where you lose me....

no different than condemning all corporations instead of the few that are gaming the system...

Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes; the average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage and a porch or patio.
Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning; by contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded; two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens and other cities throughout Europe (these comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor).
Also:
Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.
Material poverty can be measured relatively or absolutely. An absolute measure would consist of some minimum quantity of goods and services deemed adequate for a baseline level of survival. Achieving that level means that poverty has been eliminated. However, if poverty is defined as, say, the lowest one-fifth of the income distribution, it is impossible to eliminate poverty. Everyone's income could double, triple and quadruple, but there will always be the lowest one-fifth, explains Williams.
Source: Walter Williams, "Where Best To Be Poor," Jewish World Review, June 30, 2010.

I couldn't find the article you referenced so I don’t know what your definition of poor is. US Health and Human Service define poverty for a couple as a combined gross income of less than $15,000. Unless you are using some other measure of poverty, I find it difficult to believe that 43% of young married couples with a combined gross income of less than $15,000 own a 3-bedroom 1 ½ bath air-conditioned home and a car. The mortgage alone would run well over half their gross pay. You can buy a color TV at Goodwill for $10 and a new microwave $30, but the house and car, I don’t think so.

2009 Federal Poverty Guidelines

 

[Avatar4321]

Then why does the Right oppose Medicaid, food stamps, heat/energy assistance, Medicare, and on and on and on?

No one seriously thinks ANY of those programs, that do in fact help millions of 'truly needy', would exist if the Right was ever in, or had ever been in, a position of sufficient power to end them or prevent them from ever existing in the first place.

Do try to be honest at least occasionally.

Because we believe in charity, not outsourcing your personal responsibilities to the government.

We also believe that we need to actually pay for the programs we offer. That we have a responsibility to not tax our children without their representation.

 

[Avatar4321]

How successful would I have to make it until I'm one of those evil businesses?

The criteria is the same for businesses as individuals. If you cheat, lie, and steal to reach your goals, you qualify.

Then why does the left continually demonize businesses that don't do that, But merely for their size?

 

[kaz]

How successful would I have to make it until I'm one of those evil businesses?

The criteria is the same for businesses as individuals. If you cheat, lie, and steal to reach your goals, you qualify.

Then why does the left continually demonize businesses that don't do that, But merely for their size?

Wouldn't it be nice if Flopper applied his standard of evil to the Democratic Party?

 

[rikules]

Typical left wing rhetoric.

Better said this way....

When you review your fianncials and you see that progress and technology allows you to cut back on operating expenses so you can maintain or increase your lifestyle...which is why you went into your own business to begin with.....then you become evil in the eyes of the jealous.

No business owner lays off people knowing it will kill the business just so they can buy a Bentley that they will no longer be able to afford becuase they laid off empoloyees and business died.

Tyical left wing talking points rhetoric.

Hey, I've seen it first hand. Except it wasn't a Bentley with a driver it was a Porsche 911.

Question for you......

A man starts a company...it grows....and becomes a successful company employing 100 people. His receptionist started at 10 an hour and over the years she is raised to 20 an hour....he then invests in a new phone system to keep up with technology...and this phone system offers voicemail for all employees...with direct lines to each employee as such is preferred by the client base and more attractive to new cleints.
He now has his receptionist doing infinitely less for the same 20 an hour. He can fire the file clerk and give her that job if she wants....but the file clerk only makes and is worth 10 an hour.....so instead he keeps her as the receptionist and she is now doing 1/3 the work and still making 20 an hour.
Business dies due to a recession...he is taking less home, but his success has allowed him to maintain his lifestyle. Further review of his financials shows that his operating expenses are way too high for him to sustain his existing life style and he needs to cut back or possibly not be able to meet his personal needs.
He looks at his recptionuist who is doing a 10 an hour job for 20 an hour...and is sitting around doing nothing most of the day.
What should he do?

Your answer? Likely suck it up, lower his standard of living and let the receptionist keep her job and standard of living....even though she is overpaid.

My answer?

The receptionist should have continued her education and open doors to herself so that her value to the marketplace increased....as if ones skills stagnate it is just a matter of time before they price themselves out of the market.

he should fire her
and automate her position

then he should automate every position he can
and fire as many employees as he can

and keep all all that money for himself

and then he should get one of those automatic cars that uses gps and computers to chauffeur him around...and fire his drivers

and he should get robots to do his cooking and cleaning

and fire all his servants

as a true conservative I won't be happy until NOBODY has a job because ALL the jobs are being done by computers and robots!


and then I don't want all those lazy shiftless liberal unemployed arseholes whining about government handouts!

if they don't have jobs and can't pay their rent or mortgage then tough for them....

and I certainly don't want all those lazy shiftless liberal unemployed scum bags hanging around the streets begging for spare change...

we need LAWS against the sleazy homeless bums


we should round them all up and put them in barbwired camps

but I don't want to have to PAY for those camps...

no sir...
why should I have to pay for all those lazy shiftless liberal scumbags...

after we round them up we should just shoot them...a bullet is MUCH cheaper than feeding them every day....

god bless Christian Conservative USA!

 

[Avatar4321]

How successful would I have to make it until I'm one of those evil businesses?

I dunno...isn't the answer in the Bible?

If you'd have read the Bible, you'd know that it makes no claims that businesses are evil when they reach a certain size/point.

It's the left, who doesn't generally read the Bible, claiming that big business is evil. Yet, I can't get a single one of you to explain at what point a good small business owner becomes a evil big business owner.

Could it be that none of you actually believe the rhetoric you are using and just trying to use people's emotions: Jealousy, lust, covetous desires, etc to divide people.

 

[Avatar4321]

How successful would I have to make it until I'm one of those evil businesses?

LoL!!

You must have slipped and bumped your head.

Its not about being successful and the far RW lunatic reactionary fringers like to frame it.

You go from a good business to evil business the INSTANT you engage in practices that either abuse or prey upon your customers and/or society at large.

So if, for profits sake, you're polluting the environment that means you're one of those evil businesses. That's just ONE example.

Its really not rocket science.

All businesses make profits. How do you define whether they are polluting to do it? How much pollution is acceptable? Is this the only standard?

Basically, it sounds like you just demonize any industry you don't like on a rather subjective basis.

I started this thread because i was told this morning by Mr. Peepers that small businesses were good and that big businesses were bad. I'd simply like to know the point where they go from good to bad.

 

[Care4all]

Then why does the Right oppose Medicaid, food stamps, heat/energy assistance, Medicare, and on and on and on?

No one seriously thinks ANY of those programs, that do in fact help millions of 'truly needy', would exist if the Right was ever in, or had ever been in, a position of sufficient power to end them or prevent them from ever existing in the first place.

Do try to be honest at least occasionally.

Because we believe in charity, not outsourcing your personal responsibilities to the government.

We also believe that we need to actually pay for the programs we offer. That we have a responsibility to not tax our children without their representation.

how's that ''charity'' working out for the poorest? guess you all left some ''behind'' huh?

why do those charities need government money, our tax dollars then? why are charities taking gvt handouts for faith based initiatives, if the charities are accomplishing all that is needed all by their lonesome avatar?

do you think it is wrong for these charities to take money from the tax payers via the faith based initiatives?

 

[Jarhead]

Hey, I've seen it first hand. Except it wasn't a Bentley with a driver it was a Porsche 911.

Question for you......

A man starts a company...it grows....and becomes a successful company employing 100 people. His receptionist started at 10 an hour and over the years she is raised to 20 an hour....he then invests in a new phone system to keep up with technology...and this phone system offers voicemail for all employees...with direct lines to each employee as such is preferred by the client base and more attractive to new cleints.
He now has his receptionist doing infinitely less for the same 20 an hour. He can fire the file clerk and give her that job if she wants....but the file clerk only makes and is worth 10 an hour.....so instead he keeps her as the receptionist and she is now doing 1/3 the work and still making 20 an hour.
Business dies due to a recession...he is taking less home, but his success has allowed him to maintain his lifestyle. Further review of his financials shows that his operating expenses are way too high for him to sustain his existing life style and he needs to cut back or possibly not be able to meet his personal needs.
He looks at his recptionuist who is doing a 10 an hour job for 20 an hour...and is sitting around doing nothing most of the day.
What should he do?

Your answer? Likely suck it up, lower his standard of living and let the receptionist keep her job and standard of living....even though she is overpaid.

My answer?

The receptionist should have continued her education and open doors to herself so that her value to the marketplace increased....as if ones skills stagnate it is just a matter of time before they price themselves out of the market.

he should fire her
and automate her position

trhen he should automate everfy position he can
and fire as many employyess as he can

and keep all all that money for himself

and them he should get one of those automatic cars tghat uses gps and computers to chauffeur him around...and fire his drivers

and he should get robots to do his cooking and cleaning

and fire all his servants

as a true conservative I won't be happy until NOBODY has a job because ALL the jobs are being done by computers and robots!


and then I don't want all those lazy shiftless liberal unployed arseholes whinin g about government handouts!

if they don't have jobs and can't pay their rent or mortgage then tough for them....

and I certainly don't want all those lazy shiftless liberal unemplyed scum bags hanging around the streets begging for spare change...

we need LAWS against the selazy homeless bums


we should round them all up and put them in barbwired camps

but I don't want to have to PAY for those camps...

no sir...
why should I have to pay for all those lazy shiftless liberal scumbags...

after we round them up we should just shoot them...a bullet is MUCH cheaper than feeding them every day....

god bless Christian Conservative USA!

Interesting little ramble.

So lets see if you are a hypocrite...

Hundreds of cobblers in a shoe manufacturing plant were replaced with automated shoe making machines.....this is fact
Shoes are now much less expensive as a result.

However, you can still buy shoes from a cobbler...but it will cost you a lot more.

Do you buy your shoes from a cobbler? Or do you pay less and buy shoes that are made primarily by computerized machines?

Why are you allowed to capitalize on technology to keep costs down, but someone else isnt?

Better yet....Company A did NOT buy into the automation and they have cobblers still banging out shoes...at a cost of 200 a pair.

Company B puts out the same quality shoe at 100 a pair becuase it invested in the technoilogy and therefore does not have as high a labor cost.

What company shoe do you buy?

 

[Avatar4321]

But are you saying that having a good work ethic warrants spoecial consideration? We should pat those with a good work ethic on the back and offer them raises and make them rich? Becuase they have a good work ethic? Really? They should be rewarded for being what they are supposed to be?

That is how I treat people that work for me.

Loyalty is a two way street.

How does doing what you are supposed to do warrant special consideration?

You pay for someone to do a task. If they do their job, they have already been compensated. If you no longer need the position, why should you continue to pay them to do something that produces no value for you?

 

[Avatar4321]

How successful would I have to make it until I'm one of those evil businesses?

obviously conservatives can't help themselves when it comes to villifying their enemies

so....

when liberals worry about mega corporations that pay no taxes, shell out billions in bonuses to TOP LEVEL EXECS (who don't actually work)

cons can't help but twist this into; liberals hate business! or liberals think business is EVIL.


the truth is (and history proves this) unregulated megacorps who don't pay any taxes yet have all the political clout in the country have NO ETHICS and NO MORALS

that is why they piss on the american worker by unemploying him/her and then outsourcing to india

as they have shown in the past the CEOS and BIGSHOTS of megacorps, unregulated, will gladly pay workers as little as they can get away with, force them to live in shacks, give them no health care....and then they all get black lung and die by the time they're 40...
(a conservative dream!)

you keep portraying liberals as EVIL and GREEDY

but the truth is liberals are fighting for DECENT wages and DECENT living conditions for ALL Americans.....

while you keep fighting against them and helping the ultra rich get richer

well
nobody ever said conservatives were smart

Could you name a business where the top executives don't work and who aren't currently filing for bankruptcy?

 

[Jarhead]

But are you saying that having a good work ethic warrants spoecial consideration? We should pat those with a good work ethic on the back and offer them raises and make them rich? Becuase they have a good work ethic? Really? They should be rewarded for being what they are supposed to be?

That is how I treat people that work for me.

Loyalty is a two way street.

How does doing what you are supposed to do warrant special consideration?

You pay for someone to do a task. If they do their job, they have already been compensated. If you no longer need the position, why should you continue to pay them to do something that produces no value for you?

Like I said earlier..Ravi does not see the difference between loyalty to a paycheck and loyalty to an employer.

One that meets expectations, but does not exceed them is loyal to a paycheck.
One that exceeeds expectations is loyal to a career and likely to the employer.

The reward for the first is keeping the job as anything less warrants firing.
The reward for the second is a long term career met with growth and increase in income.

 

[Foxfyre]

How successful would I have to make it until I'm one of those evil businesses?

It's very difficult to say, but on average I would say there are members here who wouldn't call you evil if you made it to the top of the world's richest people PROVIDED you don't beat your wife or get convicted of insider trading or scam people out of their nest eggs or pollute the Atlantic Ocean or whatever. Or you might be able to get by if you drive a low end Prius, use only CFL lighting, and don't do any business overseas.

It seems there are others who say that if you don't pay each of your employees as much as you make, you are no better than a slavemaster profiting from evil exploitation of victim employees.

And there are some others, today even, who think if you don't pay ALL that you make in taxes, you are a capitalist pig. Well, you would be anyway, but at least you would be getting what's coming to you.

 

[Avatar4321]

Why don't those of you on the Right simply name the government policies you support that do in fact serve to primarily help the poor?

Why would we do that? That question is based on the presumption that we accept the assumption you are making that it's the government's job to help the poor.

It's not.

It's the individuals job to help his neighbors. He starts by helping himself and his family. Then his local community. It's called charity.

I don't know why this is difficult to understand.

If you give of your time and money you are giving charity.

If you take someone else's time and money to "help" others, you are committing Robbery.

Any questions?