If i start a small business

[NYcarbineer]

How successful would I have to make it until I'm one of those evil businesses?

More successful than you're capable of, assuming that smarts are necessary, and based on the lack of same you've displayed here.

 

[Care4all]

Avatar

How poor does one have to be to be considered the scum of the earth by the right wing is a better question imho....

Sad talking point and I am surpirsed it came from you.

The arrogantly see all those that make less than them as the scum of the earth.....not just the poor.

Most of the sucessful are not arrogant.

What? the rightwing doesn't bitch and moan and call names like lazy bastards, the poor?

ohhhh, the right wing adores the poor as much as global corporations....well, that's news to me.

My question was EQUAL to the question that Avatar made in his op.

both ridiculous....

that was my point.

 

[Jarhead]

Avatar

How poor does one have to be to be considered the scum of the earth by the right wing is a better question imho....

Sad talking point and I am surpirsed it came from you.

The arrogantly see all those that make less than them as the scum of the earth.....not just the poor.

Most of the sucessful are not arrogant.

What? the rightwing doesn't bitch and moan and call names like lazy bastards, the poor?

ohhhh, the right wing adores the poor as much as global corporations....well, that's news to me.

My question was EQUAL to the question that Avatar made in his op.

both ridiculous....

that was my point.

Fair enough.

I did not pick up on the "wing" part...and I assume you mean the far right wing......I read it as "the right"....implying all of us on the right.

 

[logical4u]

Well, it was .... really humorous. Thanks to those that were on page 1.

 

[Zander]

Starting a business is the best way for a person to pull themselves up in the world, help their fellow man, and enjoy a higher living standard in the process. The only thing that stops the majority of potential entrepreneurs in this country is FEAR. Children are taught to "get an education and a good job". They should be taught "learn a skill and start a company".

The socialist scum that vilify capitalism should all be forced to move to Cuba. The socialist "'workers paradise" that is only 90 miles away and 90 years behind the free world......

What? the rightwing doesn't bitch and moan and call names like lazy bastards, the poor?

ohhhh, the right wing adores the poor as much as global corporations....well, that's news to me.

My question was EQUAL to the question that Avatar made in his op.

both ridiculous....

that was my point.

Conservatives have no issue with helping the truly needy, but for every truly needy person or family there are 10 low lives that are gaming the system. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

 

[Wry Catcher]

How successful would I have to make it until I'm one of those evil businesses?

I love hypberbole.

How successful would a government employee have to be to become an evil greedy selfish cause for our nation's economic collapse?

Evil is not measured in terms of economic success Avatar. I might believe someone so full of pride as yourself, willing to suggest so often knowledge of what God thinks, would know that.

Evil is not measured in terms of how one follows or ignores the Ten Commandments, for bearing false witness is epidemic on this board and in the world at large; I'm sure you and your fellow 'conservatives' don't feel evil.

Let's simply call what you are doing on this thead mean. I don't believe you're evil, simply wrong. Scapegoating may not be a mortal sin, but in the mind of this agnostic, it is divisive and offers nothing postive to the conversation.

 

[Jarhead]

How successful would I have to make it until I'm one of those evil businesses?

I love hypberbole.

How successful would a government employee have to be to become an evil greedy selfish cause for our nation's economic collapse?

Evil is not measured in terms of economic success Avatar. I might believe someone so full of pride as yourself, willing to suggest so often knowledge of what God thinks, would know that.

Evil is not measured in terms of how one follows or ignores the Ten Commandments, for bearing false witness is epidemic on this board and in the world at large; I'm sure you and your fellow 'conservatives' don't feel evil.

Let's simply call what you are doing on this thead mean. I don't believe you're evil, simply wrong. Scapegoating may not be a mortal sin, but in the mind of this agnostic, it is divisive and offers nothing postive to the conversation.

I appreciate your attempt to speak for the left as a whole.

But lets talk reality....

Take a poll and tell me how many on the left see anyone as evil if they earn over 500K a year as a business owner, yet their clerical employees make a mere $10 an hour.

My guess...and yes...it is a guess, but an educated guess......nearly 100% will say that person is evil and greedy.

 

[rightwinger]

How successful would I have to make it until I'm one of those evil businesses?

I guess that would depend..

- How many illegal aliens do you employ?
- Do you accept taxpayer subsidies and use the money to send jobs overseas?
- Do you fire people when they become eligible for retirement benefits?
- Do you withold health benefits except for the privleged few?
- Do you own a luxury box for your favorite NFL team and write it off as a business expense?
- Do you dump toxic waste in our rivers
- Do you pay substandard wages and council your employees on how to get food stamps?

 

[Cuyo]

How successful would I have to make it until I'm one of those evil businesses?

Your actions and corruption levels determine that, not size or success.

 

[Cuyo]

Avatar

How poor does one have to be to be considered the scum of the earth by the right wing is a better question imho....

Sad talking point and I am surpirsed it came from you.

The arrogantly see all those that make less than them as the scum of the earth.....not just the poor.

Most of the sucessful are not arrogant.

It is by no standard less arrogant than the OP.

 

[Care4all]

Starting a business is the best way for a person to pull themselves up in the world, help their fellow man, and enjoy a higher living standard in the process. The only thing that stops the majority of potential entrepreneurs in this country is FEAR. Children are taught to "get an education and a good job". They should be taught "learn a skill and start a company".

The socialist scum that vilify capitalism should all be forced to move to Cuba. The socialist "'workers paradise" that is only 90 miles away and 90 years behind the free world......

What? the rightwing doesn't bitch and moan and call names like lazy bastards, the poor?

ohhhh, the right wing adores the poor as much as global corporations....well, that's news to me.

My question was EQUAL to the question that Avatar made in his op.

both ridiculous....

that was my point.

Conservatives have no issue with helping the truly needy, but for every truly needy person or family there are 10 low lives that are gaming the system. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

no, I don't know that Zander.... MOST THAT ARE POOR, are truly poor and are not gaming the system....where you get that 90% of the poor are not poor is beyond me. (the reciprocal of the 10 to 1 ratio of low lifes you speak of above)

90% of the 50% that you all bitch about ad nausea that do not pay any federal income taxes are not lazy ass scumbags.....

generalizations such as that, is where you lose me....

no different than condemning all corporations instead of the few that are gaming the system...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Starting a business is the best way for a person to pull themselves up in the world, help their fellow man, and enjoy a higher living standard in the process. The only thing that stops the majority of potential entrepreneurs in this country is FEAR. Children are taught to "get an education and a good job". They should be taught "learn a skill and start a company".

The socialist scum that vilify capitalism should all be forced to move to Cuba. The socialist "'workers paradise" that is only 90 miles away and 90 years behind the free world......

What? the rightwing doesn't bitch and moan and call names like lazy bastards, the poor?

ohhhh, the right wing adores the poor as much as global corporations....well, that's news to me.

My question was EQUAL to the question that Avatar made in his op.

both ridiculous....

that was my point.

Conservatives have no issue with helping the truly needy, but for every truly needy person or family there are 10 low lives that are gaming the system. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

Nice job, Z-man....

it was so good, that I shudder to show you what they are feeding our children in many public schools....

Careful...do not watch this if you just had a meal....I won't be responsible for your reactions.

 

[Zander]

Starting a business is the best way for a person to pull themselves up in the world, help their fellow man, and enjoy a higher living standard in the process. The only thing that stops the majority of potential entrepreneurs in this country is FEAR. Children are taught to "get an education and a good job". They should be taught "learn a skill and start a company".

The socialist scum that vilify capitalism should all be forced to move to Cuba. The socialist "'workers paradise" that is only 90 miles away and 90 years behind the free world......

What? the rightwing doesn't bitch and moan and call names like lazy bastards, the poor?

ohhhh, the right wing adores the poor as much as global corporations....well, that's news to me.

My question was EQUAL to the question that Avatar made in his op.

both ridiculous....

that was my point.

Conservatives have no issue with helping the truly needy, but for every truly needy person or family there are 10 low lives that are gaming the system. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

no, I don't know that Zander.... MOST THAT ARE POOR, are truly poor and are not gaming the system....where you get that 90% of the poor are not poor is beyond me. (the reciprocal of the 10 to 1 ratio of low lifes you speak of above)

90% of the 50% that you all bitch about ad nausea that do not pay any federal income taxes are not lazy ass scumbags.....

generalizations such as that, is where you lose me....

no different than condemning all corporations instead of the few that are gaming the system...

Let's make it simple - who are the truly needy in your eyes?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Starting a business is the best way for a person to pull themselves up in the world, help their fellow man, and enjoy a higher living standard in the process. The only thing that stops the majority of potential entrepreneurs in this country is FEAR. Children are taught to "get an education and a good job". They should be taught "learn a skill and start a company".

The socialist scum that vilify capitalism should all be forced to move to Cuba. The socialist "'workers paradise" that is only 90 miles away and 90 years behind the free world......

What? the rightwing doesn't bitch and moan and call names like lazy bastards, the poor?

ohhhh, the right wing adores the poor as much as global corporations....well, that's news to me.

My question was EQUAL to the question that Avatar made in his op.

both ridiculous....

that was my point.

Conservatives have no issue with helping the truly needy, but for every truly needy person or family there are 10 low lives that are gaming the system. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

no, I don't know that Zander.... MOST THAT ARE POOR, are truly poor and are not gaming the system....where you get that 90% of the poor are not poor is beyond me. (the reciprocal of the 10 to 1 ratio of low lifes you speak of above)

90% of the 50% that you all bitch about ad nausea that do not pay any federal income taxes are not lazy ass scumbags.....

generalizations such as that, is where you lose me....

no different than condemning all corporations instead of the few that are gaming the system...

Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes; the average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage and a porch or patio.
Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning; by contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded; two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens and other cities throughout Europe (these comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor).
Also:
Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.
Material poverty can be measured relatively or absolutely. An absolute measure would consist of some minimum quantity of goods and services deemed adequate for a baseline level of survival. Achieving that level means that poverty has been eliminated. However, if poverty is defined as, say, the lowest one-fifth of the income distribution, it is impossible to eliminate poverty. Everyone's income could double, triple and quadruple, but there will always be the lowest one-fifth, explains Williams.
Source: Walter Williams, "Where Best To Be Poor," Jewish World Review, June 30, 2010.

 

[Care4all]

Starting a business is the best way for a person to pull themselves up in the world, help their fellow man, and enjoy a higher living standard in the process. The only thing that stops the majority of potential entrepreneurs in this country is FEAR. Children are taught to "get an education and a good job". They should be taught "learn a skill and start a company".

The socialist scum that vilify capitalism should all be forced to move to Cuba. The socialist "'workers paradise" that is only 90 miles away and 90 years behind the free world......



Conservatives have no issue with helping the truly needy, but for every truly needy person or family there are 10 low lives that are gaming the system. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

no, I don't know that Zander.... MOST THAT ARE POOR, are truly poor and are not gaming the system....where you get that 90% of the poor are not poor is beyond me. (the reciprocal of the 10 to 1 ratio of low lifes you speak of above)

90% of the 50% that you all bitch about ad nausea that do not pay any federal income taxes are not lazy ass scumbags.....

generalizations such as that, is where you lose me....

no different than condemning all corporations instead of the few that are gaming the system...

Let's make it simple - who are the truly needy in your eyes?

the people that do not pay income taxes on their low earnings are not lazy ass scumbags, that's what I do know.

I would venture to say that anyone that only earns 20k a year is poor.

they are working, ya know?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Starting a business is the best way for a person to pull themselves up in the world, help their fellow man, and enjoy a higher living standard in the process. The only thing that stops the majority of potential entrepreneurs in this country is FEAR. Children are taught to "get an education and a good job". They should be taught "learn a skill and start a company".

The socialist scum that vilify capitalism should all be forced to move to Cuba. The socialist "'workers paradise" that is only 90 miles away and 90 years behind the free world......

What? the rightwing doesn't bitch and moan and call names like lazy bastards, the poor?

ohhhh, the right wing adores the poor as much as global corporations....well, that's news to me.

My question was EQUAL to the question that Avatar made in his op.

both ridiculous....

that was my point.

Conservatives have no issue with helping the truly needy, but for every truly needy person or family there are 10 low lives that are gaming the system. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

Then why does the Right oppose Medicaid, food stamps, heat/energy assistance, Medicare, and on and on and on?

No one seriously thinks ANY of those programs, that do in fact help millions of 'truly needy', would exist if the Right was ever in, or had ever been in, a position of sufficient power to end them or prevent them from ever existing in the first place.

Do try to be honest at least occasionally.

 

[Care4all]

Starting a business is the best way for a person to pull themselves up in the world, help their fellow man, and enjoy a higher living standard in the process. The only thing that stops the majority of potential entrepreneurs in this country is FEAR. Children are taught to "get an education and a good job". They should be taught "learn a skill and start a company".

The socialist scum that vilify capitalism should all be forced to move to Cuba. The socialist "'workers paradise" that is only 90 miles away and 90 years behind the free world......



Conservatives have no issue with helping the truly needy, but for every truly needy person or family there are 10 low lives that are gaming the system. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

no, I don't know that Zander.... MOST THAT ARE POOR, are truly poor and are not gaming the system....where you get that 90% of the poor are not poor is beyond me. (the reciprocal of the 10 to 1 ratio of low lifes you speak of above)

90% of the 50% that you all bitch about ad nausea that do not pay any federal income taxes are not lazy ass scumbags.....

generalizations such as that, is where you lose me....

no different than condemning all corporations instead of the few that are gaming the system...

Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes; the average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage and a porch or patio.
Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning; by contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded; two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens and other cities throughout Europe (these comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor).
Also:
Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.
Material poverty can be measured relatively or absolutely. An absolute measure would consist of some minimum quantity of goods and services deemed adequate for a baseline level of survival. Achieving that level means that poverty has been eliminated. However, if poverty is defined as, say, the lowest one-fifth of the income distribution, it is impossible to eliminate poverty. Everyone's income could double, triple and quadruple, but there will always be the lowest one-fifth, explains Williams.
Source: Walter Williams, "Where Best To Be Poor," Jewish World Review, June 30, 2010.

SO WHAT if they own their own home? My inlaws were below dirt poor, with 4 children of their own and they took in another poor kid in Matt's class that lost his home to fire when his step dad told him to fend for himself....

THEY OWNED THEIR HOME.....they bought if for $7000 dollars in the 1960's....

Poor people CAN own their own homes and pay LESS THAN RENT for them....

the homes they buy are just cheaper homes in poorer neighborhoods PC.

 

[logical4u]

Starting a business is the best way for a person to pull themselves up in the world, help their fellow man, and enjoy a higher living standard in the process. The only thing that stops the majority of potential entrepreneurs in this country is FEAR. Children are taught to "get an education and a good job". They should be taught "learn a skill and start a company".

The socialist scum that vilify capitalism should all be forced to move to Cuba. The socialist "'workers paradise" that is only 90 miles away and 90 years behind the free world......



Conservatives have no issue with helping the truly needy, but for every truly needy person or family there are 10 low lives that are gaming the system. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

no, I don't know that Zander.... MOST THAT ARE POOR, are truly poor and are not gaming the system....where you get that 90% of the poor are not poor is beyond me. (the reciprocal of the 10 to 1 ratio of low lifes you speak of above)

90% of the 50% that you all bitch about ad nausea that do not pay any federal income taxes are not lazy ass scumbags.....

generalizations such as that, is where you lose me....

no different than condemning all corporations instead of the few that are gaming the system...

Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes; the average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage and a porch or patio.
Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning; by contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded; two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens and other cities throughout Europe (these comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor).
Also:
Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.
Material poverty can be measured relatively or absolutely. An absolute measure would consist of some minimum quantity of goods and services deemed adequate for a baseline level of survival. Achieving that level means that poverty has been eliminated. However, if poverty is defined as, say, the lowest one-fifth of the income distribution, it is impossible to eliminate poverty. Everyone's income could double, triple and quadruple, but there will always be the lowest one-fifth, explains Williams.
Source: Walter Williams, "Where Best To Be Poor," Jewish World Review, June 30, 2010.

I'm trying to understand this.... are YOU saying that if the standard of living is raised for an entire nation, "the poor" also have a higher standard of living?

You mean if the average citizen makes more money it actually helps the "poor", compared to what we are told about food being taken away from them for the "rich"?

WOW, this is a revelation!!!

Didn't Reagan say this?

 

[Jarhead]

no, I don't know that Zander.... MOST THAT ARE POOR, are truly poor and are not gaming the system....where you get that 90% of the poor are not poor is beyond me. (the reciprocal of the 10 to 1 ratio of low lifes you speak of above)

90% of the 50% that you all bitch about ad nausea that do not pay any federal income taxes are not lazy ass scumbags.....

generalizations such as that, is where you lose me....

no different than condemning all corporations instead of the few that are gaming the system...

Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes; the average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage and a porch or patio.
Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning; by contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded; two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens and other cities throughout Europe (these comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor).
Also:
Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.
Material poverty can be measured relatively or absolutely. An absolute measure would consist of some minimum quantity of goods and services deemed adequate for a baseline level of survival. Achieving that level means that poverty has been eliminated. However, if poverty is defined as, say, the lowest one-fifth of the income distribution, it is impossible to eliminate poverty. Everyone's income could double, triple and quadruple, but there will always be the lowest one-fifth, explains Williams.
Source: Walter Williams, "Where Best To Be Poor," Jewish World Review, June 30, 2010.

SO WHAT if they own their own home? My inlaws were below dirt poor, with 4 children of their own and they took in another poor kid in Matt's class that lost his home to fire when his step dad told him to fend for himself....

THEY OWNED THEIR HOME.....they bought if for $7000 dollars in the 1960's....

Poor people CAN own their own homes and pay LESS THAN RENT for them....

the homes they buy are just cheaper homes in poorer neighborhoods PC.

ALL OF THOSE STATS...

Yet the only thing you picked up on was the "owning their own home" stat?

 

[Flopper]

How successful would I have to make it until I'm one of those evil businesses?

The criteria is the same for businesses as individuals. If you cheat, lie, and steal to reach your goals, you qualify.