If handguns were banned and confiscated, how did this criminal shoot the victim in the face?

[harmonica]

we've been over this a million times
the US has 21% MORE crime
Ranked 30th. 21% more than Australia
over 3 times the murders
etc etc
Australia vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

And we've also said this a million times. The stats are skewed by SUICIDES, and INNER CITY GANG VIOLENCE, due to America's unusually dense inner city Black population. Name another society in developed nations that have this characteristic.

AND i just proved 2A's stats are ridiculous
the US has MORE crime MORE murders

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Yep...gun control doesn't work anywhere......... gun crime is escalating in Australia, and this victim found out the hard way....with a bullet to the face....

Man shot in face by masked assailant at Brunswick Heads

It patently does work. More people have been killed in the US already this year than will be killed in Australia all year.

The US has around 5 gun deaths per 100k of population the Aussies have 1.

Please explain how gun control isnt working in countries that are many times safer than the US.

he uses statistics FOR gun control as arguments AGAINST gun control
???
that tells you how ridiculous his anti-gun control arguments are

I think he is waiting for an updated checklist from the NRA. If I was in his position I would be looking for examples of gun control in countries with a worse murder rate than the US. Maybe there arent any.

 

[harmonica]

we've been over this a million times
the US has 21% MORE crime
Ranked 30th. 21% more than Australia
over 3 times the murders
etc etc
Australia vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

And we've also said this a million times. The stats are skewed by SUICIDES, and INNER CITY GANG VIOLENCE, due to America's unusually dense inner city Black population. Name another society in developed nations that have this characteristic.

also, to disprove your argument
New York city population is much, much more denser than St louis, Mo
same percentage of whites
NYC population 8.5 MILLION......STL 320,000
NYC very strict gun control......murders 289
very pro-gun STL.......................murders 203
NYC sees record low homicides in 2018 based on preliminary data
St. Louis Murder Count Stands At 203 After Four Fatal Shootings - KTRS | St Louis News and Talk Radio | The Big 550 AM
STL murder capital of the US
St. Louis Named A 'Murder Capital Of America'

 

[harmonica]

Yep...gun control doesn't work anywhere......... gun crime is escalating in Australia, and this victim found out the hard way....with a bullet to the face....

Man shot in face by masked assailant at Brunswick Heads

It patently does work. More people have been killed in the US already this year than will be killed in Australia all year.

The US has around 5 gun deaths per 100k of population the Aussies have 1.

Please explain how gun control isnt working in countries that are many times safer than the US.

he uses statistics FOR gun control as arguments AGAINST gun control
???
that tells you how ridiculous his anti-gun control arguments are

I think he is waiting for an updated checklist from the NRA. If I was in his position I would be looking for examples of gun control in countries with a worse murder rate than the US. Maybe there arent any.

there might be some, but mainly these are not as comparable to the US as France, Germany, Japan, UK, Aus are

 

[2aguy]

we've been over this a million times
the US has 21% MORE crime
Ranked 30th. 21% more than Australia
over 3 times the murders
etc etc
Australia vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

And we've also said this a million times. The stats are skewed by SUICIDES, and INNER CITY GANG VIOLENCE, due to America's unusually dense inner city Black population. Name another society in developed nations that have this characteristic.

AND i just proved 2A's stats are ridiculous
the US has MORE crime MORE murders

And that has nothing to do with law abiding people who own and carry guns...as our increase in gun ownership among law abiding people while the gun murder rate dropped 49%, the gun crime rate dropped 75% and the violent crime rate dropped 72%....

So you have no argument........ what you propose has no bearing on lawful gun ownership and the crime rate....

The actual problem in this country is the democrat party and their criminal justice policies....where they let known, repeat, violent gun offenders back into neighborhoods controlled by the democrat party.....that is where our crime problem is....

That you don't understand that reflects poorly on you....

 

[2aguy]

we've been over this a million times
the US has 21% MORE crime
Ranked 30th. 21% more than Australia
over 3 times the murders
etc etc
Australia vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

And we've also said this a million times. The stats are skewed by SUICIDES, and INNER CITY GANG VIOLENCE, due to America's unusually dense inner city Black population. Name another society in developed nations that have this characteristic.

also, to disprove your argument
New York city population is much, much more denser than St louis, Mo
same percentage of whites
NYC population 8.5 MILLION......STL 320,000
NYC very strict gun control......murders 289
very pro-gun STL.......................murders 203
NYC sees record low homicides in 2018 based on preliminary data
St. Louis Murder Count Stands At 203 After Four Fatal Shootings - KTRS | St Louis News and Talk Radio | The Big 550 AM
STL murder capital of the US
St. Louis Named A 'Murder Capital Of America'

And you know the reason...that you pretend to not know, shows you are dishonest.....

St. Louis has had democrat party mayors since 1949.....they have policies toward criminals and the police that cause their crime problem....the law abiding gun owners in St. Louis are not shooting anyone......

You are a dishonest hack....

Democrats in charge since 1949

Mayor of St. Louis - Wikipedia


Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why

Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.

At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.

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Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
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When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.

In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.

Violence down in St. Louis but homicides hold steady. Are tougher penalties for gun crimes the answer?

But many challenges remain, official said. The department is still down more than 130 officers. Witnesses to crimes remain reluctant to come forward for fear of retaliation, making it difficult to close cases. And a lack of state laws to deter gun crimes has forced the police to turn to federal courts to indict some suspects.

On Tuesday, Edwards made a new pitch: He wants to see the mandatory minimum sentence for armed criminal action raised from its current ceiling of three years to at least 15 years for nonfatal shootings, and 25 years for fatal shootings.

And here is their actual problem....democrats using race based, politically correct policies that allow violent criminals to rule in the streets....

Edwards wants to actually do something....to target actual criminals and the democrats are fighting it....as usual...

Some aldermen expressed concern over that proposal: over its potential effectiveness, if it would lead to higher numbers of incarcerated people, or if it would disproportionately target poor, marginalized communities.