If God came to you...

[PubliusInfinitum]

What religion? The organized belief in something?

All I know, is that if there is a GOD, he does not give a shit about the organized belief in ANYTHING. Its a one on one deal. I never said God does not exist, but one thing is for certain......he does not exist in a paranormal, old testamen, punishing, hatefull, propoganda bullying way that everyone thinks he does. God just IS. Not complex, not intelligent, not a being that looks like us conveniently......god just is. Perhaps god is existence itself from the vaccum of space to the human heart that pumps blood which leads to eltro neurons firing off in your brain cells every second of every day creating a feeling of constant existence.

What I have learned through mediation is that if you are absolutely still, not moving, not thinking....only breathing and concentrating on that breath. You can FEEL some of the things that they describe to you in biology class. I can literally feel oxygen breaking through the lungs and into the blood as the carbon dioxide is created as a waste product of this......I can feel the blood then shoot super fast through my body and into my brain every second. You will also notice that inbetween heartbeats, you are losing consciousness very slightly. Your conscious level is like a ball tied to a pattle, every time you hit that paddle and new half second of life is injected into you, and everytime you are at the other end of the string you are about to pass out. The reason you don’t feel any of this is because your heart beats so fast and your brain has leftover oxygen and blood to carryover inbetween these periods of no heart beat making it seem like one constant stream of life. You can even notice that your eyes slightly move every heart beat, this is because of the blood and electro neurons being pumped into them, allowing vision every second, of course if there was no heart beat the vision would go dark.


Has anyone ever experienced this?

You don't normally feel any of that because your brain normalizes that activity... meaning that as with any graph, the only consideration is the delta between the normal state and that of the abnormal... thus the senses are not tuned to monitor normal function, but to sense abnormal.

I would caution you in encouraging this delusion that God is something other than a conscious, sentient being; and that the hell ad damnation factor was overplayed in the OT.

Jesus advanced many parables wherein he used the Parent/child relationship and he did so to illustrate that the Father is, like a normal human, desirous of being loved... and like any normal human, the Father expects that where he has expended such efforts and patience that it is only reasonable to expect that effort and patience to be acknowledged and that those who have benefitted from that love, should respect him for his effort and patience.

But like any parent, he is also capable of becoming highly PISSED OFF when despite his best efforts those he loves reject what is so obvious to him...

It seems ridiculous to me for someone to expect that God is just a panty waist moron who lacks the means to scratch the surface of these absurd rationalizations that "if you love me, why punish me?" I tried that when I was 6 and all it got me was a quick reminder that I knew the rules; that I knew what the consequences were if I broke the rules... which was followed by a cold command to put my hands on the bed and receive those certain consequences, via the looming ass beatin' ...

Now if my own MOTHER is willing to hold me accountable to HER RULES... what pray tell should I expect from the King of the Universe, my Holy Father?

It's your soul pal... I'm just saying that you should really give credit where credit is due and respect your Creator for having given you everything ya have. It seems to me to be the LEAST you could do.

 

[AVG-JOE]

You are judging God on the actions of Governments. He does NOT control Governments. The only Government he will ever control will be when Jesus becomes King of Paradise earth.

Again power corrupts, of course the powerful generally turn out to be the worst sinners of all. And the Powerful run Countries and Governments, including the Large Churches like the the Catholic Church. Satan rules this world, those entities are controlled by Satan.

I do not trust any large powerful organization, be it Government or religious. Power corrupts, Satan feeds on corruption and the desire for power. Good men are corrupted at those kind of levels.

God works on individuals and through small gatherings of friends and believers.

Not governments, dude... men. Individuals whom the Holy Spirit is supposed to be changing from within. Men who conquered, killed and enslaved for personal profit and excused their actions by calling their victims 'unchurched heathens' who did not count in the eyes of God.

-Joe

 

[sparky]

We will be saved.

ah, the biscuit comes out.....what took you so long..?

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Not governments, dude... men. Individuals whom the Holy Spirit is supposed to be changing from within. Men who conquered, killed and enslaved for personal profit and excused their actions by calling their victims 'unchurched heathens' who did not count in the eyes of God.

-Joe

Well... Joe. I appreciate how your searchin' for answers here... but so am I... and while I'd love nothin' more than to find some reasoning which would put your heart at rest... I have to say that this thread ain't the place to do that.

Would ya do me a favor and read the OP and answer the question as honestly as you can?

And if you and the Guns want to continue this conversation, which to be honest I think is a good one... and as proof of that, I got into it for damn near a whole page before I realized it had hijack'd ma thread... So, I'd say it's worth a new thread of its own.

If it helps, think of this as you two stumbling upon someone tryin' to fish... and getting into a kick ass debate right there on the dock... ('cause that's pretty damn close to what's goin' on here...) So with that said... "SHHHHHHHHHhhhh You're scarin' the fish..."

I 'preciat'cha brother...

Thanks Buddy

 

[Toro]

I'd ask Him to let the Vikings win the Super Bowl.

 

[Gunny]

What religion? The organized belief in something?

All I know, is that if there is a GOD, he does not give a shit about the organized belief in ANYTHING. Its a one on one deal. I never said God does not exist, but one thing is for certain......he does not exist in a paranormal, old testamen, punishing, hatefull, propoganda bullying way that everyone thinks he does. God just IS. Not complex, not intelligent, not a being that looks like us conveniently......god just is. Perhaps god is existence itself from the vaccum of space to the human heart that pumps blood which leads to eltro neurons firing off in your brain cells every second of every day creating a feeling of constant existence.

What I have learned through mediation is that if you are absolutely still, not moving, not thinking....only breathing and concentrating on that breath. You can FEEL some of the things that they describe to you in biology class. I can literally feel oxygen breaking through the lungs and into the blood as the carbon dioxide is created as a waste product of this......I can feel the blood then shoot super fast through my body and into my brain every second. You will also notice that inbetween heartbeats, you are losing consciousness very slightly. Your conscious level is like a ball tied to a pattle, every time you hit that paddle and new half second of life is injected into you, and everytime you are at the other end of the string you are about to pass out. The reason you dont feel any of this is because your heart beats so fast and your brain has leftover oxygen and blood to carryover inbetween these periods of no heart beat making it seem like one constant stream of life. You can even notice that your eyes slightly move every heart beat, this is because of the blood and electro neurons being pumped into them, allowing vision every second, ofcourse if there was no heart beat the vision would go dark.


Has anyone ever experienced this?

The religion you follow of course. You just call it something different.

 

[Kid Pickle]

Oh, yes... horrible, horrible western civilization... that only brought man from sitting around waiting to be conquered by or be part of the next world power to a world relatively free from war.
That brought man from just trying to scrape by to having unimaginable amounts of free time to devote to trivial or passionate pursuits, according to his or her definition of happiness.
That brought us the United States of America, the greatest civilization since the age of Solomon and possibly ever - a 5000-year leap in innovation and social advancement and with it the concept of true equality and self-governance according to the conscience and desire of the individual.
Yeah, there were a lot of bad things that happened in history, but that isn't a problem with western civilization, or God, or whatever. It is a human problem. Because God gave us the power to choose, He gave us the ablility to sin. Because He knew we would sin, He made a plan to fix it. Because He loves us greater than anything else in the world and wants us to live forever with Him, He gave us Jesus. Because of Jesus, we have Western Civilization with all of its amazing advancements.
Because of Christianity, we have humaitarianism, science, justice, the rule of law, medicine, peaceful societies, egalitarianism, and all of the things that make this time in human history pretty friggin' sweet.
God made the world and gave it to us. He didn't remake Heaven and fill it with automatons. We screwed it up.
But we also did some pretty cool stuff, too.
Especially in the past 2000 years or so.
Particularly in the past 200 years or so.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Well... Joe. I appreciate how your searchin' for answers here... but so am I... and while I'd love nothin' more than to find some reasoning which would put your heart at rest... I have to say that this thread ain't the place to do that.

Would ya do me a favor and read the OP and answer the question as honestly as you can?

And if you and the Guns want to continue this conversation, which to be honest I think is a good one... and as proof of that, I got into it for damn near a whole page before I realized it had hijack'd ma thread... So, I'd say it's worth a new thread of its own.

If it helps, think of this as you two stumbling upon someone tryin' to fish... and getting into a kick ass debate right there on the dock... ('cause that's pretty damn close to what's goin' on here...) So with that said... "SHHHHHHHHHhhhh You're scarin' the fish..."

I 'preciat'cha brother...

Thanks Buddy

Nobody hijacked your thread Publidude. I responded to your original fantasy scenario... (see below). RGS engaged me on it and I chatted with him because I like him, waiting for your response because your started this classic work of fiction.

-Joe

O.k. Publidude. I'll play...

Bla, Bla, Bla... the proof in the privacy of my own mind is there, and I'm talking to the god described in the King James Bible.

Only one question...

God-dude... Why did you allow so much suffering, slavery and genocide for personal profit at the hands of Western Civilization... the very people you chose to reveal to yourself to and commissioned to bring the rest of the inhabitants of this planet into a knowledge of your 'love'?

Answer me that one Publidude, and you will convert me.

-Joe

"If there is a God of this world and he loves us; I should not like to be him, as the suffering that is its history would surely break my heart."
-Penniless European Philosopher, circa 1800's

 

[no1tovote4]

One day you walked into your home and found a person standing there; a person which you instinctively trusted... and that person revealed to you that they were God incarnate; God in human form; that they had heard your queries and had decided for reasons known only to them, to stand before you and convince you...

At last any and all evidence which you requested as 'conclusive, empirical proof was laid out before you...

You could touch it, see it in your mind’s eye; see it in unprecedented detail in as many ways as you could think of; you are presented the answers to questions regarding everything from 'what is time, why are we here, is there a hell and am I on the register; everything from who killed JFK to where Elvis is and that most important of all human puzzlers...'where do socks go when you put them in the washer and they don't come out;' you're given all of the time and answers to all of your questions until you simply can no longer advance a query of doubt... all of the evidence which you require is presented; matter is created from the ether, you’re transported through time, in thousands of dimensions, seeing history play out in thousands of ways...; whatever flitters through your mind is answered instantly…; all of the demonstrations, the insight, the mind blowing facts, the full blown demonstrations of the origin of the universe, presented in a vision, which you learn was actually you witnessing as it happened, having literally been taken back to that point to witness it yourself… as well as in mathematical terms which you were suddenly, instinctively able to grasp... proof, in finality and conclusively that God was precisely as he had been described all of your life; but which you had rejected for whatever reason... with the only condition (to which you agreed) being that you could not call a witness...


What would you do?

Convert

 

[Ocean56]

One day you walked into your home and found a person standing there; a person which you instinctively trusted... and that person revealed to you that they were God incarnate; God in human form; that they had heard your queries and had decided for reasons known only to them, to stand before you and convince you...

At last any and all evidence which you requested as 'conclusive, empirical proof was laid out before you...

You could touch it, see it in your mind’s eye; see it in unprecedented detail in as many ways as you could think of; you are presented the answers to questions regarding everything from 'what is time, why are we here, is there a hell and am I on the register; everything from who killed JFK to where Elvis is and that most important of all human puzzlers...'where do socks go when you put them in the washer and they don't come out;' you're given all of the time and answers to all of your questions until you simply can no longer advance a query of doubt... all of the evidence which you require is presented; matter is created from the ether, you’re transported through time, in thousands of dimensions, seeing history play out in thousands of ways...; whatever flitters through your mind is answered instantly…; all of the demonstrations, the insight, the mind blowing facts, the full blown demonstrations of the origin of the universe, presented in a vision, which you learn was actually you witnessing as it happened, having literally been taken back to that point to witness it yourself… as well as in mathematical terms which you were suddenly, instinctively able to grasp... proof, in finality and conclusively that God was precisely as he had been described all of your life; but which you had rejected for whatever reason... with the only condition (to which you agreed) being that you could not call a witness...


What would you do?

A better question is, why is it so important to you that everyone believes in a god in general and YOUR god in particular? Oh, and here's another one; how does a non-believer's LACK of belief in gods matter, since we're not trying to take away your right to believe?

 

[xsited1]

I would ask Him why He created Liberals.

 

[no1tovote4]

I would ask Him why He created Liberals.

Because Good could not exist without Evil. Fun without drudgery, joy without sorrow... Right without wrong.

 

[xsited1]

Because Good could not exist without Evil. Fun without drudgery, joy without sorrow... Right without wrong.

But couldn't they live far away from everyone else, like California?

 

[B L Zeebub]

One day you walked into your home and found a person standing there; a person which you instinctively trusted... and that person revealed to you that they were God incarnate; God in human form; that they had heard your queries and had decided for reasons known only to them, to stand before you and convince you...

At last any and all evidence which you requested as 'conclusive, empirical proof was laid out before you...

You could touch it, see it in your mind’s eye; see it in unprecedented detail in as many ways as you could think of; you are presented the answers to questions regarding everything from 'what is time, why are we here, is there a hell and am I on the register; everything from who killed JFK to where Elvis is and that most important of all human puzzlers...'where do socks go when you put them in the washer and they don't come out;' you're given all of the time and answers to all of your questions until you simply can no longer advance a query of doubt... all of the evidence which you require is presented; matter is created from the ether, you’re transported through time, in thousands of dimensions, seeing history play out in thousands of ways...; whatever flitters through your mind is answered instantly…; all of the demonstrations, the insight, the mind blowing facts, the full blown demonstrations of the origin of the universe, presented in a vision, which you learn was actually you witnessing as it happened, having literally been taken back to that point to witness it yourself… as well as in mathematical terms which you were suddenly, instinctively able to grasp... proof, in finality and conclusively that God was precisely as he had been described all of your life; but which you had rejected for whatever reason... with the only condition (to which you agreed) being that you could not call a witness...


What would you do?

If I go along with your premise I really dont know Pubic, but if he arrived at your house and judging by your post, you would bore his arse off!

 

[007]

What religion? The organized belief in something?

All I know, is that if there is a GOD, he does not give a shit about the organized belief in ANYTHING. Its a one on one deal. I never said God does not exist, but one thing is for certain......he does not exist in a paranormal, old testamen, punishing, hatefull, propoganda bullying way that everyone thinks he does. God just IS. Not complex, not intelligent, not a being that looks like us conveniently......god just is. Perhaps god is existence itself from the vaccum of space to the human heart that pumps blood which leads to eltro neurons firing off in your brain cells every second of every day creating a feeling of constant existence.

What I have learned through mediation is that if you are absolutely still, not moving, not thinking....only breathing and concentrating on that breath. You can FEEL some of the things that they describe to you in biology class. I can literally feel oxygen breaking through the lungs and into the blood as the carbon dioxide is created as a waste product of this......I can feel the blood then shoot super fast through my body and into my brain every second. You will also notice that inbetween heartbeats, you are losing consciousness very slightly. Your conscious level is like a ball tied to a pattle, every time you hit that paddle and new half second of life is injected into you, and everytime you are at the other end of the string you are about to pass out. The reason you dont feel any of this is because your heart beats so fast and your brain has leftover oxygen and blood to carryover inbetween these periods of no heart beat making it seem like one constant stream of life. You can even notice that your eyes slightly move every heart beat, this is because of the blood and electro neurons being pumped into them, allowing vision every second, ofcourse if there was no heart beat the vision would go dark.


Has anyone ever experienced this?

Ho - Lee - SHIT! I've never heard a bigger toilet full of psychobabble in my LIFE! See... what I can't understand is if you're so capable of believing the shit you're spewing here about feeling oxygen bubbling through your veins, but yet GOD is a JOKE?! C'mon man... where do you get off? Are you the center of the universe? How can you compare your insignificant self and your... heart beat... to the answer to the creation of life and the universe? Good Lord man... who the fuck have you been listening to?

 

[LOki]

One day you walked into your home and found a person standing there; a person which you instinctively trusted... and that person revealed to you that they were God incarnate; God in human form; that they had heard your queries and had decided for reasons known only to them, to stand before you and convince you...

At last any and all evidence which you requested as 'conclusive, empirical proof was laid out before you...

You could touch it, see it in your mind’s eye; see it in unprecedented detail in as many ways as you could think of; you are presented the answers to questions regarding everything from 'what is time, why are we here, is there a hell and am I on the register; everything from who killed JFK to where Elvis is and that most important of all human puzzlers...'where do socks go when you put them in the washer and they don't come out;' you're given all of the time and answers to all of your questions until you simply can no longer advance a query of doubt... all of the evidence which you require is presented; matter is created from the ether, you’re transported through time, in thousands of dimensions, seeing history play out in thousands of ways...; whatever flitters through your mind is answered instantly…; all of the demonstrations, the insight, the mind blowing facts, the full blown demonstrations of the origin of the universe, presented in a vision, which you learn was actually you witnessing as it happened, having literally been taken back to that point to witness it yourself… as well as in mathematical terms which you were suddenly, instinctively able to grasp... proof, in finality and conclusively that God was precisely as he had been described all of your life; but which you had rejected for whatever reason... with the only condition (to which you agreed) being that you could not call a witness...


What would you do?

YOu can't tell me what I'd do, and then ask me what I'd do: I'd call a witness.

 

[Skull Pilot]

One day you walked into your home and found a person standing there; a person which you instinctively trusted...

I stopped right there because I don't trust anyone.

 

[sparky]

true, the 1st amd extreemists would think He's NSA, the 2nd amd extreemists would blow Him away.....

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Nobody hijacked your thread Publidude. I responded to your original fantasy scenario... (see below). RGS engaged me on it and I chatted with him because I like him, waiting for your response because your started this classic work of fiction.

-Joe

Thanks Joe...

But the OP states quite clearly that all of your questions were answered... and answered in such a way that you could no longer deny that God was everything he had been described... what's more you asked every question your mind could conjure until you were simply unable to sustain any further doubt...

So your question would have been answered... all of the questions which the board has advanced would have been answered and answered to your satisfaction, in total, with not hedging, no spinning, no disembling... leaving, no doubt.

I'd ask that those who have answered through the posing of a question to return to the OP and re-read it; see that the scenario has you having asked every potential question you ever had of God; you've asked them all... an they've all been answered; every concievable demonstration and more has been presented to you... there is absolutely no doubt that the person standing before you is God who has taken human form to simply provide you with the means to comfortably participate in this scenario.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

YOu can't tell me what I'd do, and then ask me what I'd do: I'd call a witness.

You've not been told what you'd do... the scenario simply establishes that for the purposes of advancing the premise, that you agreed to the participate in the experience immediately, without calling a witness...

That caveat merely simplifies the scenario, wherein the reader is forced to consider their response... as an individual; it limits the means of the reader to obfuscate their potential reaction.

Its worth noting that your reaction is to call a witness... to demand that a another be present, indicating that you aren't quite confident in your own judgment; that you doubt your own senses and need to validate that which you experience through the common experiences of others...

But let's assume the scenario with a witness, because LOki... it's not enough for you that the Creator of the Universe has come to your presence and taken human form to satisfy your personal doubt... I can see that in your opinion, YOU ARE SPECIAL... VERY special indeed.

So you're granted a witness... Who would it be?

Please respond specifically and then assume the balance of the scenario... wherein you and your witness are given all the time to ask all of the questions your individual and collective minds can ask and that each of those questions are answered to your individual and collective satisfaction, conclusively proving to each and both of you, that God exists... and he exists as he has been described throughout your life; the God described in The Bible.

What do you DO?