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roomy said:Of course.You don't in all honesty believe anyone could really be any dumber than you?But being as thick as you are, the question is moot.
Your wife is probably exhausted trying to teach you social skills, little wonder her work is suffering as a result, did you mention she had other children besides you?
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to roomy again.
Abbey Normal said:As the author of this thread, I will take the privilege of telling you the "whole point of it". It is absurd and demoralizing to the real top student to award ten different people the title of Valedictorian, when you can easily differentiate between them academically.
Mom's sister wasn't asking to be elevated above someone who was ahead of her academcially. She was understandably upset when the school changed the rules after awarding her the title, based on her higher achievement at the time the claculations werre made.
If you still claim not see this distinction, it will be clear to me that you are, as you've state delsewhere, just taking what you perceive as the anti-Republican side, regardless of logic or facts.
Btw, since you are nitpicking between rules and tradition, ad nauseum, I'll make it really simple: the "rule" was based on "tradition".
jillian said:I hate when they reward children for nothing. The kids who accomplish things should be rewarded and not feel as if what they did was on the same level as everyone else.
Otherwise, why should they excel? There has to be a payoff for great efforts that pay off.
dmp said:My daughter, in kindergarten then, was at a school festival. They had the kid games where the kid did something like from a carnival; Knocking down bottles, etc. - but here's the schtick - EVERY brat got a prize, whether they completed the task or not.
PISSED ME RIGHT OFF.
Older kids in the school would run the games; with a couple teachers every few booths. I wonder if you can imagine "WTF?" look on the faces of the kids when I'd tell them "No thanks - she didn't complete this game; she didn't get all the darts in that circle. No prize is needed", as they tried to offer a crappy toy to my daughter.
At first my daughter was really upset; until I explained if she WANTS the prize, she MUST complete the games. She didn't complete EVERY game, but in ALL her efforts were commendable.
Abbey Normal said:D, you are the rare parent. How cool that you did that! If only those making these absurd feel-good rules would get it that we only really appreciate and grow from the things we work hard to achieve.
dmp said:Thanks toots - see? I love my kids enough to realize their immediate, present happiness is NOT better than the life-long Joy which will come from them NOT being a 'Ninny'.
Kathianne said:and that is why your kids, average or above in 'gifts' will excel in life. It doesn't take hi IQ to succeed, but perseverance. Unfortunately this is a quality that is sucked out of most kids by 3rd grade. Parents complain about homework and self-esteem.
About 25 years ago, maybe 30.liberalogic said:When did all of this self-esteem stuff begin to eat away at education?
dmp said:My daughter, in kindergarten then, was at a school festival. They had the kid games where the kid did something like from a carnival; Knocking down bottles, etc. - but here's the schtick - EVERY brat got a prize, whether they completed the task or not.
PISSED ME RIGHT OFF.
Older kids in the school would run the games; with a couple teachers every few booths. I wonder if you can imagine "WTF?" look on the faces of the kids when I'd tell them "No thanks - she didn't complete this game; she didn't get all the darts in that circle. No prize is needed", as they tried to offer a crappy toy to my daughter.
At first my daughter was really upset; until I explained if she WANTS the prize, she MUST complete the games. She didn't complete EVERY game, but in ALL her efforts were commendable.
Pwn3d. It's great that he's so dumb he just walked right into it. Well played, sir.roomy said:Of course.You don't in all honesty believe anyone could really be any dumber than you?But being as thick as you are, the question is moot.
Your wife is probably exhausted trying to teach you social skills, little wonder her work is suffering as a result, did you mention she had other children besides you?
jillian said:The flip side, however, is they now spend the year "teaching to the test", even in the G&T classes, instead of giving the kids in G&T the extra stuff they need to keep them interested.
It does pertain. The really bright are able to pick up math and science at the very early levels-they can see the applications that the average can't.Mr.Conley said:Not that this totally relates, but there are some levels where I think even participation is noteworthy. For example, the Intel Westinghouse Science Competition. If you get to that level in science, I don't care if you only got 10th, that's still amazing. Of course this is a very rare situation, and a lot of organizations have prescreening before you get to that level, so this is probably one out of only three times this applies.
jillian said:While I'm not sure a kindergartner's carnival is the place for it,
dmp said:There's NO better place to love a child than where the child will learn the best lesson. Had I just 'let it go' she'd have missed a great opportunity to learn.
5stringJeff said:In a sense, "teaching to the test" is not bad. After all, if the state is testing to basic skills needed in adult life, and the teachers spend all year teaching that skill, that's great! The kids are learning the right skills! However, being a former G&T kid myself, I will say that there is a time and place where every kid should be taught over and above the minimum standards.
dmp said:There's NO better place to love a child than where the child will learn the best lesson. Had I just 'let it go' she'd have missed a great opportunity to learn.
jillian said:No question. If you notice, I didn't say I disagreed with what you did. I said I wasn't *certain* about the forum. But the lesson? Absolutely a good one.
