If Ebola is so contagious why

[PredFan]

No one knows how it is transmitted. Anyone claiming they know precisely are nothing but the Obamabots.

Go figure. Look at how desperate they are to save his disaster of a presidency and defend the fact he plays Russian roulette with the citizens of this country for political expediency.

NO EXPERT in the field is giving 100% guarantees. Like the myth of utopia that the left get sold to by the socialist politicians, guarantees are also a myth. Especially when it comes to infectious diseases.

In this particular disease, there is little actually known. Anyone claiming they do know for sure are following the political shit from this president and are true hacks.

You morons keep thinking people like me are fear mongering. I am reading ALL of the pertinent information and I am reading articles from the EXPERTS that have worked with this disease for OVER 40 years.

Now, go smoke pot you moronic socialist pieces of shit. All of you are true sock puppets for your fraud in chief.

Wrong. We know exactly how Ebola is transmitted. It has been stated over and over.

 

[PredFan]

No one knows how it is transmitted. Anyone claiming they know precisely are nothing but the Obamabots.

Go figure. Look at how desperate they are to save his disaster of a presidency and defend the fact he plays Russian roulette with the citizens of this country for political expediency.

NO EXPERT in the field is giving 100% guarantees. Like the myth of utopia that the left get sold to by the socialist politicians, guarantees are also a myth. Especially when it comes to infectious diseases.

In this particular disease, there is little actually known. Anyone claiming they do know for sure are following the political shit from this president and are true hacks.

You morons keep thinking people like me are fear mongering. I am reading ALL of the pertinent information and I am reading articles from the EXPERTS that have worked with this disease for OVER 40 years.

Now, go smoke pot you moronic socialist pieces of shit. All of you are true sock puppets for your fraud in chief.

Then explain why only two nurses, who treated Duncan directly, contracted it? No one else. Not the family he was living with ... not another passenger on any of the flights he was on ... not the fiancé he was sleeping with. Not any one of the other dozens of people who came in contact with him.

The persons best protected were the only ones infected....weird no?

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Not weird at all to anyone familiar with isolation procedures. They were infected because they got sloppy. They broke protocol.

 

[PredFan]

No one knows how it is transmitted. Anyone claiming they know precisely are nothing but the Obamabots.

Go figure. Look at how desperate they are to save his disaster of a presidency and defend the fact he plays Russian roulette with the citizens of this country for political expediency.

NO EXPERT in the field is giving 100% guarantees. Like the myth of utopia that the left get sold to by the socialist politicians, guarantees are also a myth. Especially when it comes to infectious diseases.

In this particular disease, there is little actually known. Anyone claiming they do know for sure are following the political shit from this president and are true hacks.

You morons keep thinking people like me are fear mongering. I am reading ALL of the pertinent information and I am reading articles from the EXPERTS that have worked with this disease for OVER 40 years.

Now, go smoke pot you moronic socialist pieces of shit. All of you are true sock puppets for your fraud in chief.

Then explain why only two nurses, who treated Duncan directly, contracted it? No one else. Not the family he was living with ... not another passenger on any of the flights he was on ... not the fiancé he was sleeping with. Not any one of the other dozens of people who came in contact with him.

The persons best protected were the only ones infected....weird no?

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Actually, it goes to show just how difficult it is to catch it and why it's more reasonable for Americans to be concerned with the flu.

So difficult yet new cases DOUBLE now every three weeks in the Hot Zone. I don't believe we've heard the last of it.

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We haven't, but there won't be any "hot zone" here in the US.

 

[PredFan]

You're smarter than that. The ban would apply to travelers who originate from Ebola countries.

Like the US?

And how about Nigeria?

The U.S. is not an Ebola country - and Nigeria has successfully thwarted its outbreak because it did control its borders.

It still let people in via checkpoints. They are credited with success for:

"According to WHO, the success of Nigeria — Africa’s most populous nation — was attributable to ample funding, quick action and assistance from the WHO, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and the non-profit Doctors Without Borders.

Unlike the situation in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, “all identified contacts were physically monitored on a daily basis for 21 days. The few contacts who attempted to escape the monitoring system were all diligently tracked” by special teams and returned to observation."

Nigeria declared Ebola-free after only 8 deaths - The Washington Post

Basically exactly what we are doing. Except of course I doubt we've had any assistance from WHO or DWB.

20 people infected, eight died, that 40% kill rate I believe. Not bad but looks like we are going to beat it.

And apparently, according to WHO, you must have no active cases to be declared Ebola free. We aren't quite there yet.

Nigeria also instituted a travel ban.

It let people in via checkpoints so it wasn't really a ban.

Why? Why take the risk? What is the purpose? There is no downside to banning flights. None.

 

[PredFan]

you hop on a bus with her. funny how in this country who you claim is so well prepared, the CDC and our own president told us there was absolutely nothing to worry about 2 people contracted it. looks like it spread pretty easily here. in a well prepared hospital environment no less

There is nothing much to worry about unless you are a health care worker working in a poorly run hospital (like the two nurses). And I am happy to leave the health care to the experts. All you whining and claiming doom is upon us are the ones that "know" how to better act in the situation so in reality it is YOU that needs to put yourself on the line. Man up and go show them how it's done.

So why didn't any of Duncan's family members contract Ebola? For several day, they were totally unprotected in a close environment while he was contagious. Were they better protected than the nurses?

Perhaps they were more hygienic. Do a little research and you'll find that it is very easy to pick up an infection in a hospital. Especially one that lets an ebola patient stay in the general hospital population for days.

No, it's because Ebola isn't as infectious in it's early stages as people think.

Again. Duncan wasn't in the early stages when he was checked in to the hospital.

Actually, he was. Fever is the early stages. If you disagree, then why didn't the EMTs who transported him come down with the virus? Why didn't his family come down with it?

 

[PredFan]

This has nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with Ebola. Got it, idiot?

It has everything to do with Obama. Because he fucked up the response, as he fucks up everything, you and the other hacks are circling the wagons with the usual "nothing to see here" routine.

Ebola passes through contact. Man a sneezes, the virus lands on your hand, you rub your eyes, nose, or mouth, and you become infected.

I've seen no one speak of "airborne," chances are you are confusing airborne with aerosol. There is a serious concern with aerosol contagion, coughing and sneezing, and there should be. Luckily the virus dies quickly on surfaces, still the little charade you play to protect your god is disgusting.

Obama is now responsible for Ebola

This has nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with Ebola. Got it, idiot?

It has everything to do with Obama. Because he fucked up the response, as he fucks up everything, you and the other hacks are circling the wagons with the usual "nothing to see here" routine.

Ebola passes through contact. Man a sneezes, the virus lands on your hand, you rub your eyes, nose, or mouth, and you become infected.

I've seen no one speak of "airborne," chances are you are confusing airborne with aerosol. There is a serious concern with aerosol contagion, coughing and sneezing, and there should be. Luckily the virus dies quickly on surfaces, still the little charade you play to protect your god is disgusting.

Obama is now responsible for the spread of Ebola

Not yet he isn't. The very first person who contracts Ebola from a person who comes over from one of the countries NOW, will be his fault.

 

[PredFan]

No one knows how it is transmitted. Anyone claiming they know precisely are nothing but the Obamabots.

Go figure. Look at how desperate they are to save his disaster of a presidency and defend the fact he plays Russian roulette with the citizens of this country for political expediency.

NO EXPERT in the field is giving 100% guarantees. Like the myth of utopia that the left get sold to by the socialist politicians, guarantees are also a myth. Especially when it comes to infectious diseases.

In this particular disease, there is little actually known. Anyone claiming they do know for sure are following the political shit from this president and are true hacks.

You morons keep thinking people like me are fear mongering. I am reading ALL of the pertinent information and I am reading articles from the EXPERTS that have worked with this disease for OVER 40 years.

Now, go smoke pot you moronic socialist pieces of shit. All of you are true sock puppets for your fraud in chief.

Then explain why only two nurses, who treated Duncan directly, contracted it? No one else. Not the family he was living with ... not another passenger on any of the flights he was on ... not the fiancé he was sleeping with. Not any one of the other dozens of people who came in contact with him.

The persons best protected were the only ones infected....weird no?

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Everything I've read has suggested that those infected with Ebola are much more likely to infect someone else as the disease progresses.

Essentially, yes.

 

[PredFan]

No one knows how it is transmitted. Anyone claiming they know precisely are nothing but the Obamabots.

Go figure. Look at how desperate they are to save his disaster of a presidency and defend the fact he plays Russian roulette with the citizens of this country for political expediency.

NO EXPERT in the field is giving 100% guarantees. Like the myth of utopia that the left get sold to by the socialist politicians, guarantees are also a myth. Especially when it comes to infectious diseases.

In this particular disease, there is little actually known. Anyone claiming they do know for sure are following the political shit from this president and are true hacks.

You morons keep thinking people like me are fear mongering. I am reading ALL of the pertinent information and I am reading articles from the EXPERTS that have worked with this disease for OVER 40 years.

Now, go smoke pot you moronic socialist pieces of shit. All of you are true sock puppets for your fraud in chief.

Then explain why only two nurses, who treated Duncan directly, contracted it? No one else. Not the family he was living with ... not another passenger on any of the flights he was on ... not the fiancé he was sleeping with. Not any one of the other dozens of people who came in contact with him.

The persons best protected were the only ones infected....weird no?

Sent from smartphone using my wits and Taptalk

Everything I've read has suggested that those infected with Ebola are much more likely to infect someone else as the disease progresses.

I believe that to be at least partially true. When the virus first enters the body, there is little chance of spreading but as the virus replicates itself, symptoms develop and the victim becomes contagious. As the virus continues to replicate itself, the person becomes more contagious up to a point. A some point the virus stops replicating and the person becomes less contagious. This is in the final stages of the virus.

No, the virus never stops replicating. Other than that you are correct.

 

[PredFan]

Have so few people in Dallas come down with it?

smh You win dumbest post of the month award.

No, it would appear that yours is.

 

[Ravi]

Like the US?

And how about Nigeria?

The U.S. is not an Ebola country - and Nigeria has successfully thwarted its outbreak because it did control its borders.

It still let people in via checkpoints. They are credited with success for:

"According to WHO, the success of Nigeria — Africa’s most populous nation — was attributable to ample funding, quick action and assistance from the WHO, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and the non-profit Doctors Without Borders.

Unlike the situation in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, “all identified contacts were physically monitored on a daily basis for 21 days. The few contacts who attempted to escape the monitoring system were all diligently tracked” by special teams and returned to observation."

Nigeria declared Ebola-free after only 8 deaths - The Washington Post

Basically exactly what we are doing. Except of course I doubt we've had any assistance from WHO or DWB.

20 people infected, eight died, that 40% kill rate I believe. Not bad but looks like we are going to beat it.

And apparently, according to WHO, you must have no active cases to be declared Ebola free. We aren't quite there yet.

Nigeria also instituted a travel ban.

It let people in via checkpoints so it wasn't really a ban.

Why? Why take the risk? What is the purpose? There is no downside to banning flights. None.

Why did they do it? I don't know, but obviously they weren't totally freaked out by ebola and decided with screening they could still allow entry into their country.

The downside I see is when you ban travel from a country you isolate people and the disease spreads faster and further and has a greater potential to mutate for the worse (or the better).

It seems to me from watching all this unfold that the greatest risk from this disease is lack of sanitation, cultural practice, and lack of medical care.

 

[Ravi]

There is nothing much to worry about unless you are a health care worker working in a poorly run hospital (like the two nurses). And I am happy to leave the health care to the experts. All you whining and claiming doom is upon us are the ones that "know" how to better act in the situation so in reality it is YOU that needs to put yourself on the line. Man up and go show them how it's done.

So why didn't any of Duncan's family members contract Ebola? For several day, they were totally unprotected in a close environment while he was contagious. Were they better protected than the nurses?

Perhaps they were more hygienic. Do a little research and you'll find that it is very easy to pick up an infection in a hospital. Especially one that lets an ebola patient stay in the general hospital population for days.

No, it's because Ebola isn't as infectious in it's early stages as people think.

Again. Duncan wasn't in the early stages when he was checked in to the hospital.

Actually, he was. Fever is the early stages. If you disagree, then why didn't the EMTs who transported him come down with the virus? Why didn't his family come down with it?

He didn't just have fever, though. He was vomiting. From all accounts he was very sick.

 

[PredFan]

You're smarter than that. The ban would apply to travelers who originate from Ebola countries.

Like the US?

And how about Nigeria?

The U.S. is not an Ebola country - and Nigeria has successfully thwarted its outbreak because it did control its borders.

It still let people in via checkpoints. They are credited with success for:

"According to WHO, the success of Nigeria — Africa’s most populous nation — was attributable to ample funding, quick action and assistance from the WHO, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and the non-profit Doctors Without Borders.

Unlike the situation in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, “all identified contacts were physically monitored on a daily basis for 21 days. The few contacts who attempted to escape the monitoring system were all diligently tracked” by special teams and returned to observation."

Nigeria declared Ebola-free after only 8 deaths - The Washington Post

Basically exactly what we are doing. Except of course I doubt we've had any assistance from WHO or DWB.

20 people infected, eight died, that 40% kill rate I believe. Not bad but looks like we are going to beat it.

And apparently, according to WHO, you must have no active cases to be declared Ebola free. We aren't quite there yet.

Nigeria also instituted a travel ban.

It let people in via checkpoints so it wasn't really a ban.

The check points screened out anyone who wasn't an aid worker, or from one of the non-infected countries.

 

[Theowl32]

No one knows how it is transmitted. Anyone claiming they know precisely are nothing but the Obamabots.

Go figure. Look at how desperate they are to save his disaster of a presidency and defend the fact he plays Russian roulette with the citizens of this country for political expediency.

NO EXPERT in the field is giving 100% guarantees. Like the myth of utopia that the left get sold to by the socialist politicians, guarantees are also a myth. Especially when it comes to infectious diseases.

In this particular disease, there is little actually known. Anyone claiming they do know for sure are following the political shit from this president and are true hacks.

You morons keep thinking people like me are fear mongering. I am reading ALL of the pertinent information and I am reading articles from the EXPERTS that have worked with this disease for OVER 40 years.

Now, go smoke pot you moronic socialist pieces of shit. All of you are true sock puppets for your fraud in chief.

Wrong. We know exactly how Ebola is transmitted. It has been stated over and over.

Not 100%. Sorry, not true. Plus, there is the mutation factor that THE EXPERTS are talking about. Why are you denying this?

There is no such thing (other than death and taxes) as a guarantee, especially when we are talking about diseases. Especially non vector hemorrhagic fevers.

Virtually every EXPERT agrees there is much they do not know about this disease, and they all agree it is mutating.

We also do not know for sure how many of these patients actually contracted the disease. I do know that various doctors in West Africa contracted it, and they were NOT SLOPPY. Dr Kent Brantly for example was known to take extra precautions and absolutely by the book. Brantly is “100 percent” convinced he did not get infected with Ebola while treating patients who were known to be infected. He thinks he may have become infected by someone he saw while he wasn’t suited up in the personal protective equipment that doctors, nurses and other health care workers wear to treat sick Ebola patients – rubber boots, a full body suit, two pairs of surgical gloves duct taped tightly around the arms, a hood, an N95 respirator, goggles and a rubber apron.

Even if this disease was moderately contagious, it does not matter. We here in the US are ignorant about this disease for the most part, and there are actually only a few people that can call themselves true experts.

Why are we dismissing their claims?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Obama is now responsible for the spread of Ebola

When will Obama pull up his big boi Pampers and be responsible for how his administration handles crises?

No doubt you blame Bush.

 

[PredFan]

The U.S. is not an Ebola country - and Nigeria has successfully thwarted its outbreak because it did control its borders.

It still let people in via checkpoints. They are credited with success for:

"According to WHO, the success of Nigeria — Africa’s most populous nation — was attributable to ample funding, quick action and assistance from the WHO, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and the non-profit Doctors Without Borders.

Unlike the situation in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, “all identified contacts were physically monitored on a daily basis for 21 days. The few contacts who attempted to escape the monitoring system were all diligently tracked” by special teams and returned to observation."

Nigeria declared Ebola-free after only 8 deaths - The Washington Post

Basically exactly what we are doing. Except of course I doubt we've had any assistance from WHO or DWB.

20 people infected, eight died, that 40% kill rate I believe. Not bad but looks like we are going to beat it.

And apparently, according to WHO, you must have no active cases to be declared Ebola free. We aren't quite there yet.

Nigeria also instituted a travel ban.

It let people in via checkpoints so it wasn't really a ban.

Why? Why take the risk? What is the purpose? There is no downside to banning flights. None.

Why did they do it? I don't know, but obviously they weren't totally freaked out by ebola and decided with screening they could still allow entry into their country.

The downside I see is when you ban travel from a country you isolate people and the disease spreads faster and further and has a greater potential to mutate for the worse (or the better).

It seems to me from watching all this unfold that the greatest risk from this disease is lack of sanitation, cultural practice, and lack of medical care.

Somehow my response got attached to the wrong post.

I meant us, why not ban travel, there is no downside.

 

[PredFan]

So why didn't any of Duncan's family members contract Ebola? For several day, they were totally unprotected in a close environment while he was contagious. Were they better protected than the nurses?

Perhaps they were more hygienic. Do a little research and you'll find that it is very easy to pick up an infection in a hospital. Especially one that lets an ebola patient stay in the general hospital population for days.

No, it's because Ebola isn't as infectious in it's early stages as people think.

Again. Duncan wasn't in the early stages when he was checked in to the hospital.

Actually, he was. Fever is the early stages. If you disagree, then why didn't the EMTs who transported him come down with the virus? Why didn't his family come down with it?

He didn't just have fever, though. He was vomiting. From all accounts he was very sick.

Yes, but if you understand infections and you understand the human body's response, you would know that he was still in the early stages. If I am wrong, then explain why his family and the EMTs don't have ebola?

 

[Uncensored2008]

No one Duncan lived with, rode with, or interacted with aside from two caregivers have become ill.

How did the two caregivers become infected. Rati?

They became infected because they fucked up the isolation protocol. They got careless.

Then it must pass pretty easily, if a minor misstep in protocol leads to infection.

 

[Ravi]

The check points screened out anyone who wasn't an aid worker, or from one of the non-infected countries.

That isn't correct:

"In addition to the location and the follow-up of people potentially at risk, Nigeria installed temperature checkpoints at all its airports and ports.

No border was however closed and no restriction was imposed on airline companies even if Arik, the Nigerian biggest private airline company, decided itself to stop its connections with Liberia and Sierra-leone, both countries the most severely affected by the epidemic."

Nigeria end of Ebola officially declared by WHO Africa Top Success

 

[Ravi]

Perhaps they were more hygienic. Do a little research and you'll find that it is very easy to pick up an infection in a hospital. Especially one that lets an ebola patient stay in the general hospital population for days.

No, it's because Ebola isn't as infectious in it's early stages as people think.

Again. Duncan wasn't in the early stages when he was checked in to the hospital.

Actually, he was. Fever is the early stages. If you disagree, then why didn't the EMTs who transported him come down with the virus? Why didn't his family come down with it?

He didn't just have fever, though. He was vomiting. From all accounts he was very sick.

Yes, but if you understand infections and you understand the human body's response, you would know that he was still in the early stages. If I am wrong, then explain why his family and the EMTs don't have ebola?

Because it isn't as contagious as everyone thinks, obviously.

The guy was sick enough that he had to be transported by ambulance. He couldn't make it to the hospital under his own steam or with the help of his family, according to reports. That sounds like he was beyond the early stages.

 

[PredFan]

No one knows how it is transmitted. Anyone claiming they know precisely are nothing but the Obamabots.

Go figure. Look at how desperate they are to save his disaster of a presidency and defend the fact he plays Russian roulette with the citizens of this country for political expediency.

NO EXPERT in the field is giving 100% guarantees. Like the myth of utopia that the left get sold to by the socialist politicians, guarantees are also a myth. Especially when it comes to infectious diseases.

In this particular disease, there is little actually known. Anyone claiming they do know for sure are following the political shit from this president and are true hacks.

You morons keep thinking people like me are fear mongering. I am reading ALL of the pertinent information and I am reading articles from the EXPERTS that have worked with this disease for OVER 40 years.

Now, go smoke pot you moronic socialist pieces of shit. All of you are true sock puppets for your fraud in chief.

Wrong. We know exactly how Ebola is transmitted. It has been stated over and over.

Not 100%. Sorry, not true.

As close to 100% as matters.

Plus, there is the mutation factor that THE EXPERTS are talking about.

Speculation. With viruses, there is always the risk that they will mutate. So far there has been NO evidence that it has in any way.

There is no such thing (other than death and taxes) as a guarantee, especially when we are talking about diseases. Especially non vector hemorrhagic fevers.

No one, especially not me, is guaranteeing anything at all.

Virtually every EXPERT agrees there is much they do not know about this disease, and they all agree it is mutating.

Untrue. Where did you get that info from?

We also do not know for sure how many of these patients actually contracted the disease. I do know that various doctors in West Africa contracted it, and they were NOT SLOPPY.

Bull shit. They got sloppy. It happens all the time. I see it all the time in hospitals here in the US. No one will admit to fucking it up, but that is what happened. Had to, it's the only answer that fits the FACTs.