If Democrats Win House, What Damage Can They Really Do ?

[Ray From Cleveland]

So you actually believe that Mueller & House Democrats could show the American public solid evidence of Russian collusion & Obstruction of Justice and Senate Republicans would give up their seats for Trump--

You go right ahead and name the prominent Republicans (past Presidents--Senators past & current) that showed up at the National Convention in Cleveland when Trump won the nomination BTW-- (Mitch McConnell & Paul Ryan were forced to be there.)

John Kasich, Governor of Ohio, refused to show up--even though the convention was held in his home state. The Bush's voted for Hillary Clinton.
George H.W. Bush to vote for Hillary Clinton

In fact Mitch McConnell & the Republican Senate tried to block Trump from the nomination. Mitt Romney came out of retirement & won his election last night in Utah in an effort to save the Republican party--& he HATES Trump
Inside the Republican Party’s Desperate Mission to Stop Donald Trump

Now you think that there is some kind of "love affair" between Donald Trump & Senate Republicans. Especially after last night. On the contrary--they're probably looking forward to getting rid of him. Mike Pence comes in as President, whom they would be much happier with. You are very-very naive.

For those of you that want to watch a video of Trump admitting to Obstruction of Justice on national T.V., and read an article that was confirmed by James Clapper, National Intelligence director, under sworn testimony--just click this link to redirect to another post on this thread.
If Democrats Win House, What Damage Can They Really Do ?

Trump was never the choice of congressional republicans. They accepted him because they had no choice. If there is evidence of obstructions, collusion with the Russians, or any other crimes, they will dump him in a heartbreak for Pence. Trump is what every congressmen hates, an unpredictable and irascible president.

I wouldn’t count on that. If Democrats do anything, they will bring stuff to the table as phony as Ford. Then Republican Senators would have to weigh how many people will stand behind Trump, especially those who’s re-election is coming up soon.

You can say or think anything you want, but to assume that somebody never involved in politics before had some kind of connection to Russia that could interfere in a national election and able to hide it is as ridiculous as saying man has the ability to control the earths temperature.

You people are not dealing with reality.


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I doubt that Trump had anything to do with the Russians. All he had to do was sit tight while the Comey investigation and later the Mueller investigation played out. But no, Trump for whatever reason had to interfere with investigation then fire Comey. Now it looks like he's going down the same road with Mueller. In the minds of the public, his possible involvement with the Russian will be unresolved but his inference in the investigations will be fact and that's what's going bring him down.

If he fired Mueller tomorrow, that doesn't mean the investigation would stop. But even if that did happen, this has been going on for two years now, and nothing that was related to the accusation has been found.

This is the first in depth lengthy investigation that was ever started with zero proof of any wrongdoing. All other investigations had to have at least a hint of illegal activities even if they were found no laws were broken in the end.

If you care to research, you will see that there has been a long list of special prosecutors and special counsels. The investigations are all different but most commonly they do not release interim reports; that is all the public sees are indictments and trials as is occurring in the Mueller investigation. In about half the investigations a report was released at the end of investigation and made available to the public. There is nothing unusually about this investigation.

As far as length of the investigation is concerned, the shortest investigation was Watergate which lasted only a few months. The longest was the Clinton Whitewater Investigation which lasted 8 1/2 years. The Iran-Contra investigation lasted over 6 years. The average length of an investigation is about 1 1/2 to 2 years. The Mueller investigation has been going less than 18 months.

If this investigation is judged base on length of the investigation and indictments and convictions it will be one of the most successful in history. There has certainly been more than a hint of illegal activities with 27 individual indictments and 3 corporate indictments plus 5 convictions to date.

If the Mueller investigation is stopped or sidetracked it will be because Trump wants it stopped just as he wanted the FBI investigation stopped. With democrats in control of the House, obstructing an investigation as he did with Comey is likely to cause Trump a lot more problems than letting it finish. However, if there is really damaging evidence of wrong doing against Trump, then he has good reason to shut it down and take his chances with congress.

Special prosecutor - Wikipedia
Mueller's investigation into Trump started one year ago — here's how long special prosecutor investigations usually last

Donald Trump was elected President on November 3rd 2016 and his inauguration was on January 20th, 2017. His investigation started almost immediately after taking office. He was only in politics a matter of days instead of the examples you provided where these were career politicians; some of them almost their entire adult life.

None of Mueller's indictments and convictions have anything to to with the charge Trump colluded with Russia. In fact, the only proof of Russian collusion is Hillary, the DNC, and her legal team. Yet no investigation into that......so far.

So what does Muller think he's doing? Why is he doing all this? Because he's hoping and praying that somebody he's putting pressure on will say something about Trump that he could go after him with. Like the Dr. Ford testimony, it doesn't have to be true, just enough to make uninformed voters suspicious about Trump. This is what federal agents used to do to try and get the top mob guys.

Trump has spent very little time in politics because his line of work was business and entertainment. Because of his wealth, he's been investigated by the IRS Lord knows how many times in his life. Trump didn't really need this job of President. In fact, it's pretty much a step-down in his life, so he wouldn't do anything illegal to get this job. It just wasn't that important to him like it would be for any other career politician.

 

[edward37]

Trump was never the choice of congressional republicans. They accepted him because they had no choice. If there is evidence of obstructions, collusion with the Russians, or any other crimes, they will dump him in a heartbreak for Pence. Trump is what every congressmen hates, an unpredictable and irascible president.

I wouldn’t count on that. If Democrats do anything, they will bring stuff to the table as phony as Ford. Then Republican Senators would have to weigh how many people will stand behind Trump, especially those who’s re-election is coming up soon.

You can say or think anything you want, but to assume that somebody never involved in politics before had some kind of connection to Russia that could interfere in a national election and able to hide it is as ridiculous as saying man has the ability to control the earths temperature.

You people are not dealing with reality.


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I doubt that Trump had anything to do with the Russians. All he had to do was sit tight while the Comey investigation and later the Mueller investigation played out. But no, Trump for whatever reason had to interfere with investigation then fire Comey. Now it looks like he's going down the same road with Mueller. In the minds of the public, his possible involvement with the Russian will be unresolved but his inference in the investigations will be fact and that's what's going bring him down.

If he fired Mueller tomorrow, that doesn't mean the investigation would stop. But even if that did happen, this has been going on for two years now, and nothing that was related to the accusation has been found.

This is the first in depth lengthy investigation that was ever started with zero proof of any wrongdoing. All other investigations had to have at least a hint of illegal activities even if they were found no laws were broken in the end.

If you care to research, you will see that there has been a long list of special prosecutors and special counsels. The investigations are all different but most commonly they do not release interim reports; that is all the public sees are indictments and trials as is occurring in the Mueller investigation. In about half the investigations a report was released at the end of investigation and made available to the public. There is nothing unusually about this investigation.

As far as length of the investigation is concerned, the shortest investigation was Watergate which lasted only a few months. The longest was the Clinton Whitewater Investigation which lasted 8 1/2 years. The Iran-Contra investigation lasted over 6 years. The average length of an investigation is about 1 1/2 to 2 years. The Mueller investigation has been going less than 18 months.

If this investigation is judged base on length of the investigation and indictments and convictions it will be one of the most successful in history. There has certainly been more than a hint of illegal activities with 27 individual indictments and 3 corporate indictments plus 5 convictions to date.

If the Mueller investigation is stopped or sidetracked it will be because Trump wants it stopped just as he wanted the FBI investigation stopped. With democrats in control of the House, obstructing an investigation as he did with Comey is likely to cause Trump a lot more problems than letting it finish. However, if there is really damaging evidence of wrong doing against Trump, then he has good reason to shut it down and take his chances with congress.

Special prosecutor - Wikipedia
Mueller's investigation into Trump started one year ago — here's how long special prosecutor investigations usually last

Donald Trump was elected President on November 3rd 2016 and his inauguration was on January 20th, 2017. His investigation started almost immediately after taking office. He was only in politics a matter of days instead of the examples you provided where these were career politicians; some of them almost their entire adult life.

None of Mueller's indictments and convictions have anything to to with the charge Trump colluded with Russia. In fact, the only proof of Russian collusion is Hillary, the DNC, and her legal team. Yet no investigation into that......so far.

So what does Muller think he's doing? Why is he doing all this? Because he's hoping and praying that somebody he's putting pressure on will say something about Trump that he could go after him with. Like the Dr. Ford testimony, it doesn't have to be true, just enough to make uninformed voters suspicious about Trump. This is what federal agents used to do to try and get the top mob guys.

Trump has spent very little time in politics because his line of work was business and entertainment. Because of his wealth, he's been investigated by the IRS Lord knows how many times in his life. Trump didn't really need this job of President. In fact, it's pretty much a step-down in his life, so he wouldn't do anything illegal to get this job. It just wasn't that important to him like it would be for any other career politician.

If he wasn't president he'd be doing time
A new report says Trump was directly involved in campaign finance crimes
Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to two campaign violations. The Wall Street Journal reports Trump was involved in both.

 

[edward37]

I wouldn’t count on that. If Democrats do anything, they will bring stuff to the table as phony as Ford. Then Republican Senators would have to weigh how many people will stand behind Trump, especially those who’s re-election is coming up soon.

You can say or think anything you want, but to assume that somebody never involved in politics before had some kind of connection to Russia that could interfere in a national election and able to hide it is as ridiculous as saying man has the ability to control the earths temperature.

You people are not dealing with reality.


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I doubt that Trump had anything to do with the Russians. All he had to do was sit tight while the Comey investigation and later the Mueller investigation played out. But no, Trump for whatever reason had to interfere with investigation then fire Comey. Now it looks like he's going down the same road with Mueller. In the minds of the public, his possible involvement with the Russian will be unresolved but his inference in the investigations will be fact and that's what's going bring him down.

If he fired Mueller tomorrow, that doesn't mean the investigation would stop. But even if that did happen, this has been going on for two years now, and nothing that was related to the accusation has been found.

This is the first in depth lengthy investigation that was ever started with zero proof of any wrongdoing. All other investigations had to have at least a hint of illegal activities even if they were found no laws were broken in the end.

If you care to research, you will see that there has been a long list of special prosecutors and special counsels. The investigations are all different but most commonly they do not release interim reports; that is all the public sees are indictments and trials as is occurring in the Mueller investigation. In about half the investigations a report was released at the end of investigation and made available to the public. There is nothing unusually about this investigation.

As far as length of the investigation is concerned, the shortest investigation was Watergate which lasted only a few months. The longest was the Clinton Whitewater Investigation which lasted 8 1/2 years. The Iran-Contra investigation lasted over 6 years. The average length of an investigation is about 1 1/2 to 2 years. The Mueller investigation has been going less than 18 months.

If this investigation is judged base on length of the investigation and indictments and convictions it will be one of the most successful in history. There has certainly been more than a hint of illegal activities with 27 individual indictments and 3 corporate indictments plus 5 convictions to date.

If the Mueller investigation is stopped or sidetracked it will be because Trump wants it stopped just as he wanted the FBI investigation stopped. With democrats in control of the House, obstructing an investigation as he did with Comey is likely to cause Trump a lot more problems than letting it finish. However, if there is really damaging evidence of wrong doing against Trump, then he has good reason to shut it down and take his chances with congress.

Special prosecutor - Wikipedia
Mueller's investigation into Trump started one year ago — here's how long special prosecutor investigations usually last

Donald Trump was elected President on November 3rd 2016 and his inauguration was on January 20th, 2017. His investigation started almost immediately after taking office. He was only in politics a matter of days instead of the examples you provided where these were career politicians; some of them almost their entire adult life.

None of Mueller's indictments and convictions have anything to to with the charge Trump colluded with Russia. In fact, the only proof of Russian collusion is Hillary, the DNC, and her legal team. Yet no investigation into that......so far.

So what does Muller think he's doing? Why is he doing all this? Because he's hoping and praying that somebody he's putting pressure on will say something about Trump that he could go after him with. Like the Dr. Ford testimony, it doesn't have to be true, just enough to make uninformed voters suspicious about Trump. This is what federal agents used to do to try and get the top mob guys.

Trump has spent very little time in politics because his line of work was business and entertainment. Because of his wealth, he's been investigated by the IRS Lord knows how many times in his life. Trump didn't really need this job of President. In fact, it's pretty much a step-down in his life, so he wouldn't do anything illegal to get this job. It just wasn't that important to him like it would be for any other career politician.

If he wasn't president he'd be doing time
A new report says Trump was directly involved in campaign finance crimes
Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to two campaign violations. The Wall Street Journal reports Trump was involved in both.

AND I didn't know Matt Whitaker LOL LOL LOL

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I wouldn’t count on that. If Democrats do anything, they will bring stuff to the table as phony as Ford. Then Republican Senators would have to weigh how many people will stand behind Trump, especially those who’s re-election is coming up soon.

You can say or think anything you want, but to assume that somebody never involved in politics before had some kind of connection to Russia that could interfere in a national election and able to hide it is as ridiculous as saying man has the ability to control the earths temperature.

You people are not dealing with reality.


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I doubt that Trump had anything to do with the Russians. All he had to do was sit tight while the Comey investigation and later the Mueller investigation played out. But no, Trump for whatever reason had to interfere with investigation then fire Comey. Now it looks like he's going down the same road with Mueller. In the minds of the public, his possible involvement with the Russian will be unresolved but his inference in the investigations will be fact and that's what's going bring him down.

If he fired Mueller tomorrow, that doesn't mean the investigation would stop. But even if that did happen, this has been going on for two years now, and nothing that was related to the accusation has been found.

This is the first in depth lengthy investigation that was ever started with zero proof of any wrongdoing. All other investigations had to have at least a hint of illegal activities even if they were found no laws were broken in the end.

If you care to research, you will see that there has been a long list of special prosecutors and special counsels. The investigations are all different but most commonly they do not release interim reports; that is all the public sees are indictments and trials as is occurring in the Mueller investigation. In about half the investigations a report was released at the end of investigation and made available to the public. There is nothing unusually about this investigation.

As far as length of the investigation is concerned, the shortest investigation was Watergate which lasted only a few months. The longest was the Clinton Whitewater Investigation which lasted 8 1/2 years. The Iran-Contra investigation lasted over 6 years. The average length of an investigation is about 1 1/2 to 2 years. The Mueller investigation has been going less than 18 months.

If this investigation is judged base on length of the investigation and indictments and convictions it will be one of the most successful in history. There has certainly been more than a hint of illegal activities with 27 individual indictments and 3 corporate indictments plus 5 convictions to date.

If the Mueller investigation is stopped or sidetracked it will be because Trump wants it stopped just as he wanted the FBI investigation stopped. With democrats in control of the House, obstructing an investigation as he did with Comey is likely to cause Trump a lot more problems than letting it finish. However, if there is really damaging evidence of wrong doing against Trump, then he has good reason to shut it down and take his chances with congress.

Special prosecutor - Wikipedia
Mueller's investigation into Trump started one year ago — here's how long special prosecutor investigations usually last

Donald Trump was elected President on November 3rd 2016 and his inauguration was on January 20th, 2017. His investigation started almost immediately after taking office. He was only in politics a matter of days instead of the examples you provided where these were career politicians; some of them almost their entire adult life.

None of Mueller's indictments and convictions have anything to to with the charge Trump colluded with Russia. In fact, the only proof of Russian collusion is Hillary, the DNC, and her legal team. Yet no investigation into that......so far.

So what does Muller think he's doing? Why is he doing all this? Because he's hoping and praying that somebody he's putting pressure on will say something about Trump that he could go after him with. Like the Dr. Ford testimony, it doesn't have to be true, just enough to make uninformed voters suspicious about Trump. This is what federal agents used to do to try and get the top mob guys.

Trump has spent very little time in politics because his line of work was business and entertainment. Because of his wealth, he's been investigated by the IRS Lord knows how many times in his life. Trump didn't really need this job of President. In fact, it's pretty much a step-down in his life, so he wouldn't do anything illegal to get this job. It just wasn't that important to him like it would be for any other career politician.

If he wasn't president he'd be doing time
A new report says Trump was directly involved in campaign finance crimes
Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to two campaign violations. The Wall Street Journal reports Trump was involved in both.

To tell you the truth, I'm getting quite bored with two years of breaking news that never amounted to crap. It's like we've become numb to it. Fake news has a way of boring people you know.

 

[edward37]

I doubt that Trump had anything to do with the Russians. All he had to do was sit tight while the Comey investigation and later the Mueller investigation played out. But no, Trump for whatever reason had to interfere with investigation then fire Comey. Now it looks like he's going down the same road with Mueller. In the minds of the public, his possible involvement with the Russian will be unresolved but his inference in the investigations will be fact and that's what's going bring him down.

If he fired Mueller tomorrow, that doesn't mean the investigation would stop. But even if that did happen, this has been going on for two years now, and nothing that was related to the accusation has been found.

This is the first in depth lengthy investigation that was ever started with zero proof of any wrongdoing. All other investigations had to have at least a hint of illegal activities even if they were found no laws were broken in the end.

If you care to research, you will see that there has been a long list of special prosecutors and special counsels. The investigations are all different but most commonly they do not release interim reports; that is all the public sees are indictments and trials as is occurring in the Mueller investigation. In about half the investigations a report was released at the end of investigation and made available to the public. There is nothing unusually about this investigation.

As far as length of the investigation is concerned, the shortest investigation was Watergate which lasted only a few months. The longest was the Clinton Whitewater Investigation which lasted 8 1/2 years. The Iran-Contra investigation lasted over 6 years. The average length of an investigation is about 1 1/2 to 2 years. The Mueller investigation has been going less than 18 months.

If this investigation is judged base on length of the investigation and indictments and convictions it will be one of the most successful in history. There has certainly been more than a hint of illegal activities with 27 individual indictments and 3 corporate indictments plus 5 convictions to date.

If the Mueller investigation is stopped or sidetracked it will be because Trump wants it stopped just as he wanted the FBI investigation stopped. With democrats in control of the House, obstructing an investigation as he did with Comey is likely to cause Trump a lot more problems than letting it finish. However, if there is really damaging evidence of wrong doing against Trump, then he has good reason to shut it down and take his chances with congress.

Special prosecutor - Wikipedia
Mueller's investigation into Trump started one year ago — here's how long special prosecutor investigations usually last

Donald Trump was elected President on November 3rd 2016 and his inauguration was on January 20th, 2017. His investigation started almost immediately after taking office. He was only in politics a matter of days instead of the examples you provided where these were career politicians; some of them almost their entire adult life.

None of Mueller's indictments and convictions have anything to to with the charge Trump colluded with Russia. In fact, the only proof of Russian collusion is Hillary, the DNC, and her legal team. Yet no investigation into that......so far.

So what does Muller think he's doing? Why is he doing all this? Because he's hoping and praying that somebody he's putting pressure on will say something about Trump that he could go after him with. Like the Dr. Ford testimony, it doesn't have to be true, just enough to make uninformed voters suspicious about Trump. This is what federal agents used to do to try and get the top mob guys.

Trump has spent very little time in politics because his line of work was business and entertainment. Because of his wealth, he's been investigated by the IRS Lord knows how many times in his life. Trump didn't really need this job of President. In fact, it's pretty much a step-down in his life, so he wouldn't do anything illegal to get this job. It just wasn't that important to him like it would be for any other career politician.

If he wasn't president he'd be doing time
A new report says Trump was directly involved in campaign finance crimes
Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to two campaign violations. The Wall Street Journal reports Trump was involved in both.

To tell you the truth, I'm getting quite bored with two years of breaking news that never amounted to crap. It's like we've become numb to it. Fake news has a way of boring people you know.

Ray stop embracing trump He's a no good pos

 

[Sun Devil 92]

I doubt that Trump had anything to do with the Russians. All he had to do was sit tight while the Comey investigation and later the Mueller investigation played out. But no, Trump for whatever reason had to interfere with investigation then fire Comey. Now it looks like he's going down the same road with Mueller. In the minds of the public, his possible involvement with the Russian will be unresolved but his inference in the investigations will be fact and that's what's going bring him down.

If he fired Mueller tomorrow, that doesn't mean the investigation would stop. But even if that did happen, this has been going on for two years now, and nothing that was related to the accusation has been found.

This is the first in depth lengthy investigation that was ever started with zero proof of any wrongdoing. All other investigations had to have at least a hint of illegal activities even if they were found no laws were broken in the end.

If you care to research, you will see that there has been a long list of special prosecutors and special counsels. The investigations are all different but most commonly they do not release interim reports; that is all the public sees are indictments and trials as is occurring in the Mueller investigation. In about half the investigations a report was released at the end of investigation and made available to the public. There is nothing unusually about this investigation.

As far as length of the investigation is concerned, the shortest investigation was Watergate which lasted only a few months. The longest was the Clinton Whitewater Investigation which lasted 8 1/2 years. The Iran-Contra investigation lasted over 6 years. The average length of an investigation is about 1 1/2 to 2 years. The Mueller investigation has been going less than 18 months.

If this investigation is judged base on length of the investigation and indictments and convictions it will be one of the most successful in history. There has certainly been more than a hint of illegal activities with 27 individual indictments and 3 corporate indictments plus 5 convictions to date.

If the Mueller investigation is stopped or sidetracked it will be because Trump wants it stopped just as he wanted the FBI investigation stopped. With democrats in control of the House, obstructing an investigation as he did with Comey is likely to cause Trump a lot more problems than letting it finish. However, if there is really damaging evidence of wrong doing against Trump, then he has good reason to shut it down and take his chances with congress.

Special prosecutor - Wikipedia
Mueller's investigation into Trump started one year ago — here's how long special prosecutor investigations usually last

Donald Trump was elected President on November 3rd 2016 and his inauguration was on January 20th, 2017. His investigation started almost immediately after taking office. He was only in politics a matter of days instead of the examples you provided where these were career politicians; some of them almost their entire adult life.

None of Mueller's indictments and convictions have anything to to with the charge Trump colluded with Russia. In fact, the only proof of Russian collusion is Hillary, the DNC, and her legal team. Yet no investigation into that......so far.

So what does Muller think he's doing? Why is he doing all this? Because he's hoping and praying that somebody he's putting pressure on will say something about Trump that he could go after him with. Like the Dr. Ford testimony, it doesn't have to be true, just enough to make uninformed voters suspicious about Trump. This is what federal agents used to do to try and get the top mob guys.

Trump has spent very little time in politics because his line of work was business and entertainment. Because of his wealth, he's been investigated by the IRS Lord knows how many times in his life. Trump didn't really need this job of President. In fact, it's pretty much a step-down in his life, so he wouldn't do anything illegal to get this job. It just wasn't that important to him like it would be for any other career politician.

If he wasn't president he'd be doing time
A new report says Trump was directly involved in campaign finance crimes
Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to two campaign violations. The Wall Street Journal reports Trump was involved in both.

AND I didn't know Matt Whitaker LOL LOL LOL

Why would you.

He's a federal hot shot.

You are a loser.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If he fired Mueller tomorrow, that doesn't mean the investigation would stop. But even if that did happen, this has been going on for two years now, and nothing that was related to the accusation has been found.

This is the first in depth lengthy investigation that was ever started with zero proof of any wrongdoing. All other investigations had to have at least a hint of illegal activities even if they were found no laws were broken in the end.

If you care to research, you will see that there has been a long list of special prosecutors and special counsels. The investigations are all different but most commonly they do not release interim reports; that is all the public sees are indictments and trials as is occurring in the Mueller investigation. In about half the investigations a report was released at the end of investigation and made available to the public. There is nothing unusually about this investigation.

As far as length of the investigation is concerned, the shortest investigation was Watergate which lasted only a few months. The longest was the Clinton Whitewater Investigation which lasted 8 1/2 years. The Iran-Contra investigation lasted over 6 years. The average length of an investigation is about 1 1/2 to 2 years. The Mueller investigation has been going less than 18 months.

If this investigation is judged base on length of the investigation and indictments and convictions it will be one of the most successful in history. There has certainly been more than a hint of illegal activities with 27 individual indictments and 3 corporate indictments plus 5 convictions to date.

If the Mueller investigation is stopped or sidetracked it will be because Trump wants it stopped just as he wanted the FBI investigation stopped. With democrats in control of the House, obstructing an investigation as he did with Comey is likely to cause Trump a lot more problems than letting it finish. However, if there is really damaging evidence of wrong doing against Trump, then he has good reason to shut it down and take his chances with congress.

Special prosecutor - Wikipedia
Mueller's investigation into Trump started one year ago — here's how long special prosecutor investigations usually last

Donald Trump was elected President on November 3rd 2016 and his inauguration was on January 20th, 2017. His investigation started almost immediately after taking office. He was only in politics a matter of days instead of the examples you provided where these were career politicians; some of them almost their entire adult life.

None of Mueller's indictments and convictions have anything to to with the charge Trump colluded with Russia. In fact, the only proof of Russian collusion is Hillary, the DNC, and her legal team. Yet no investigation into that......so far.

So what does Muller think he's doing? Why is he doing all this? Because he's hoping and praying that somebody he's putting pressure on will say something about Trump that he could go after him with. Like the Dr. Ford testimony, it doesn't have to be true, just enough to make uninformed voters suspicious about Trump. This is what federal agents used to do to try and get the top mob guys.

Trump has spent very little time in politics because his line of work was business and entertainment. Because of his wealth, he's been investigated by the IRS Lord knows how many times in his life. Trump didn't really need this job of President. In fact, it's pretty much a step-down in his life, so he wouldn't do anything illegal to get this job. It just wasn't that important to him like it would be for any other career politician.

If he wasn't president he'd be doing time
A new report says Trump was directly involved in campaign finance crimes
Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to two campaign violations. The Wall Street Journal reports Trump was involved in both.

To tell you the truth, I'm getting quite bored with two years of breaking news that never amounted to crap. It's like we've become numb to it. Fake news has a way of boring people you know.

Ray stop embracing trump He's a no good pos

So was DumBama and Clinton, and I'd bet anything you embraced them.

 

[oreo]

So you actually believe that Mueller & House Democrats could show the American public solid evidence of Russian collusion & Obstruction of Justice and Senate Republicans would give up their seats for Trump--

You go right ahead and name the prominent Republicans (past Presidents--Senators past & current) that showed up at the National Convention in Cleveland when Trump won the nomination BTW-- (Mitch McConnell & Paul Ryan were forced to be there.)

John Kasich, Governor of Ohio, refused to show up--even though the convention was held in his home state. The Bush's voted for Hillary Clinton.
George H.W. Bush to vote for Hillary Clinton

In fact Mitch McConnell & the Republican Senate tried to block Trump from the nomination. Mitt Romney came out of retirement & won his election last night in Utah in an effort to save the Republican party--& he HATES Trump
Inside the Republican Party’s Desperate Mission to Stop Donald Trump

Now you think that there is some kind of "love affair" between Donald Trump & Senate Republicans. Especially after last night. On the contrary--they're probably looking forward to getting rid of him. Mike Pence comes in as President, whom they would be much happier with. You are very-very naive.

For those of you that want to watch a video of Trump admitting to Obstruction of Justice on national T.V., and read an article that was confirmed by James Clapper, National Intelligence director, under sworn testimony--just click this link to redirect to another post on this thread.
If Democrats Win House, What Damage Can They Really Do ?

Trump was never the choice of congressional republicans. They accepted him because they had no choice. If there is evidence of obstructions, collusion with the Russians, or any other crimes, they will dump him in a heartbreak for Pence. Trump is what every congressmen hates, an unpredictable and irascible president.

I wouldn’t count on that. If Democrats do anything, they will bring stuff to the table as phony as Ford. Then Republican Senators would have to weigh how many people will stand behind Trump, especially those who’s re-election is coming up soon.

You can say or think anything you want, but to assume that somebody never involved in politics before had some kind of connection to Russia that could interfere in a national election and able to hide it is as ridiculous as saying man has the ability to control the earths temperature.

You people are not dealing with reality.


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I doubt that Trump had anything to do with the Russians. All he had to do was sit tight while the Comey investigation and later the Mueller investigation played out. But no, Trump for whatever reason had to interfere with investigation then fire Comey. Now it looks like he's going down the same road with Mueller. In the minds of the public, his possible involvement with the Russian will be unresolved but his inference in the investigations will be fact and that's what's going bring him down.

If he fired Mueller tomorrow, that doesn't mean the investigation would stop. But even if that did happen, this has been going on for two years now, and nothing that was related to the accusation has been found.

This is the first in depth lengthy investigation that was ever started with zero proof of any wrongdoing. All other investigations had to have at least a hint of illegal activities even if they were found no laws were broken in the end.

If you care to research, you will see that there has been a long list of special prosecutors and special counsels. The investigations are all different but most commonly they do not release interim reports; that is all the public sees are indictments and trials as is occurring in the Mueller investigation. In about half the investigations a report was released at the end of investigation and made available to the public. There is nothing unusually about this investigation.

As far as length of the investigation is concerned, the shortest investigation was Watergate which lasted only a few months. The longest was the Clinton Whitewater Investigation which lasted 8 1/2 years. The Iran-Contra investigation lasted over 6 years. The average length of an investigation is about 1 1/2 to 2 years. The Mueller investigation has been going less than 18 months.

If this investigation is judged base on length of the investigation and indictments and convictions it will be one of the most successful in history. There has certainly been more than a hint of illegal activities with 27 individual indictments and 3 corporate indictments plus 5 convictions to date.

If the Mueller investigation is stopped or sidetracked it will be because Trump wants it stopped just as he wanted the FBI investigation stopped. With democrats in control of the House, obstructing an investigation as he did with Comey is likely to cause Trump a lot more problems than letting it finish. However, if there is really damaging evidence of wrong doing against Trump, then he has good reason to shut it down and take his chances with congress.

Special prosecutor - Wikipedia
Mueller's investigation into Trump started one year ago — here's how long special prosecutor investigations usually last

Watergate was 2 years 7 months before Nixon was forced to resign.

But the Watergate drama took longer to unfold — more than two years — than many people may remember. Here’s a quick refresher of the events that led to Nixon’s resignation, along with a reminder that despite the recent pace of news in Washington, political crises are often slow-burning affairs.

The complete Watergate timeline (it took longer than you realize)

There's no doubt that Democrats already have a ton of information that they will be using. Often times House Republicans--specifically Devin Nunes would derail the House Russian investigation by refusing to issue subpoenas to certain people of interest. Adam Schiff will be taking over the House Russian investigation, once the new congress is seated.

What is going to be interesting is this new Attorney General, Matthew Whitaker, that Trump has just appointed. He has made some negative comments toward Mueller;s investigation, and he hasn't been confirmed by the Senate who won't be going back until January 19, 2019. I don't think Senate Republicans will be stupid enough to confirm him, or if they do I imagine they will force him to recuse himself from the Russian investigation, and insist that Rod Rosenstein remains in charge of that. In the interim here, Mueller just may tuck in and wait until the new congress is seated.
Russia investigation becomes big campaign issue in Devin Nunes' re-election bid

 

[oreo]

Trump was never the choice of congressional republicans. They accepted him because they had no choice. If there is evidence of obstructions, collusion with the Russians, or any other crimes, they will dump him in a heartbreak for Pence. Trump is what every congressmen hates, an unpredictable and irascible president.

I wouldn’t count on that. If Democrats do anything, they will bring stuff to the table as phony as Ford. Then Republican Senators would have to weigh how many people will stand behind Trump, especially those who’s re-election is coming up soon.

You can say or think anything you want, but to assume that somebody never involved in politics before had some kind of connection to Russia that could interfere in a national election and able to hide it is as ridiculous as saying man has the ability to control the earths temperature.

You people are not dealing with reality.


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I doubt that Trump had anything to do with the Russians. All he had to do was sit tight while the Comey investigation and later the Mueller investigation played out. But no, Trump for whatever reason had to interfere with investigation then fire Comey. Now it looks like he's going down the same road with Mueller. In the minds of the public, his possible involvement with the Russian will be unresolved but his inference in the investigations will be fact and that's what's going bring him down.

If he fired Mueller tomorrow, that doesn't mean the investigation would stop. But even if that did happen, this has been going on for two years now, and nothing that was related to the accusation has been found.

This is the first in depth lengthy investigation that was ever started with zero proof of any wrongdoing. All other investigations had to have at least a hint of illegal activities even if they were found no laws were broken in the end.

If you care to research, you will see that there has been a long list of special prosecutors and special counsels. The investigations are all different but most commonly they do not release interim reports; that is all the public sees are indictments and trials as is occurring in the Mueller investigation. In about half the investigations a report was released at the end of investigation and made available to the public. There is nothing unusually about this investigation.

As far as length of the investigation is concerned, the shortest investigation was Watergate which lasted only a few months. The longest was the Clinton Whitewater Investigation which lasted 8 1/2 years. The Iran-Contra investigation lasted over 6 years. The average length of an investigation is about 1 1/2 to 2 years. The Mueller investigation has been going less than 18 months.

If this investigation is judged base on length of the investigation and indictments and convictions it will be one of the most successful in history. There has certainly been more than a hint of illegal activities with 27 individual indictments and 3 corporate indictments plus 5 convictions to date.

If the Mueller investigation is stopped or sidetracked it will be because Trump wants it stopped just as he wanted the FBI investigation stopped. With democrats in control of the House, obstructing an investigation as he did with Comey is likely to cause Trump a lot more problems than letting it finish. However, if there is really damaging evidence of wrong doing against Trump, then he has good reason to shut it down and take his chances with congress.

Special prosecutor - Wikipedia
Mueller's investigation into Trump started one year ago — here's how long special prosecutor investigations usually last

Donald Trump was elected President on November 3rd 2016 and his inauguration was on January 20th, 2017. His investigation started almost immediately after taking office. He was only in politics a matter of days instead of the examples you provided where these were career politicians; some of them almost their entire adult life.

None of Mueller's indictments and convictions have anything to to with the charge Trump colluded with Russia. In fact, the only proof of Russian collusion is Hillary, the DNC, and her legal team. Yet no investigation into that......so far.

So what does Muller think he's doing? Why is he doing all this? Because he's hoping and praying that somebody he's putting pressure on will say something about Trump that he could go after him with. Like the Dr. Ford testimony, it doesn't have to be true, just enough to make uninformed voters suspicious about Trump. This is what federal agents used to do to try and get the top mob guys.

Trump has spent very little time in politics because his line of work was business and entertainment. Because of his wealth, he's been investigated by the IRS Lord knows how many times in his life. Trump didn't really need this job of President. In fact, it's pretty much a step-down in his life, so he wouldn't do anything illegal to get this job. It just wasn't that important to him like it would be for any other career politician.

The Russian investigation started in July 2016. James Comey testified to that. When asked why he didn't say anything, but was more than vocal about Hillary Clinton's emails, his reply was: The Clinton investigation was public knowledge, but the Russian investigation was not public knowledge.

Hillary Clinton was never involved with the Russians-- People don't plead guilty just to plead guilty, and Mueller already has 6 guilty plea's, along with 37 Federal Grand Jury indictments that are certain to produce more. I imagine Roger Stone, a long time confident of Trump and author of the book--the Making of a President" is on the indictment list. He is on record for stating he had a back door into Wikileaks.

I just think Trump is stupid. You're right he certainly didn't need the money--but he does need the attention. click the link below for an explanation. He loves the limelight--and he bit off a lot more than he can chew here. This is a problem he has never run into before. A problem that he cannot buy his way out of. And it's coming.
A Neuroscientist Explains: Trump Has a Mental Disorder That Makes Him a Dangerous World Leader



I think Trump finally realized it on Wednesday morning. This is the first time I saw him scared and he should be. He talked and acted like a cornered tiger with no way out. Once Democrats are sworn in as majority leaders in the house, the Russian investigation moves out from behind closed doors, and the T.V. camera's come out, and it's going to be 24/7 nonstop hearings, testimony and evidence of collusion & Obstruction. At that point no one is going to be able to protect him. Not FOX NEWS, not House Republican rodeo clown's who have been running interference for the last 2 years, not Sean Hannity, not Rush Limbaugh--no one.

If you want to read a great book to prepare you for this--this is the one.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Hillary Clinton was never involved with the Russians--

Glad you're having a laugh. Now laugh at this:

Hillary Clinton used Christopher Steele’s Trump-Russia dossier that campaign paid for

Russian Collusion Investigation: It Was Hillary Clinton All Along

What You Need To Know About The Russia Investigations: The Dossier

People don't plead guilty just to plead guilty, and Mueller already has 6 guilty plea's, along with 37 Federal Grand Jury indictments that are certain to produce more

They produced nothing about the accusations of Russian collusion and Trump.

I imagine Roger Stone, a long time confident of Trump and author of the book--the Making of a President" will be one that will get the next indictment. He is on record for stating he had a back door into Wikileaks.

And that's against the law???

I just think Trump is stupid. You're right he certainly didn't need the money--but he does need the attention. He loves the limelight--and he bit off a lot more than he can chew here. This is a problem he has never run into before. A problem that he cannot buy his way out of. And it's coming.
A Neuroscientist Explains: Trump Has a Mental Disorder That Makes Him a Dangerous World Leader

Any clinician that makes a claim of a person without examining them is a quack, and any licensed physician would tell you that.

Trump had plenty of limelight long before he ran for President. He didn't need anymore. What Trump did was run for office because he seen how Fd up our country is with professional politicians. In fact, Trump never cashed one paycheck for being President; he donated every dollar to charity.

Prior to being President, Trump lived the life of luxury. He flew around on his own private jet. He's been with the most beautiful women in the world. He was a household name; everybody knew who Trump was. But as a typical leftist, you think you know why Trump became President because of some egomaniac compulsion. You don't know diddly. You never met the man, you were never in the same room with him, and certainly, you have no training as a psychiatrist or talent as a soothsayer.

Now Trump will have to live the rest of his life being followed around by CIA agents and various federal protection agencies. He surrendered his freedom to try and make change in this country.

I think Trump finally realized it on Wednesday morning. This is the first time I saw him scared and he should be. He talked and acted like a cornered tiger with no way out. Once Democrats are sworn in as majority leaders in the house, the Russian investigation moves out from behind closed doors, and the T.V. camera's come out, and it's going to be 24/7 nonstop hearings, testimony and evidence of collusion & Obstruction. At that point no one is going to be able to protect him. Not FOX NEWS, not Sean Hannity, not Rush Limbaugh--no one.

Trump campaigned harder than any other President for members of his party. The guy is over 70 years old and has the energy of a 40 year old. However all that work and transportation takes a lot out of a person. It's not a wonder why he's burned out.

As for the Commies, let them go after Trump. It will secure more Republican leadership in the near future, and that's a good thing for real Americans.

 

[Faun]

Trump was never the choice of congressional republicans. They accepted him because they had no choice. If there is evidence of obstructions, collusion with the Russians, or any other crimes, they will dump him in a heartbreak for Pence. Trump is what every congressmen hates, an unpredictable and irascible president.

I wouldn’t count on that. If Democrats do anything, they will bring stuff to the table as phony as Ford. Then Republican Senators would have to weigh how many people will stand behind Trump, especially those who’s re-election is coming up soon.

You can say or think anything you want, but to assume that somebody never involved in politics before had some kind of connection to Russia that could interfere in a national election and able to hide it is as ridiculous as saying man has the ability to control the earths temperature.

You people are not dealing with reality.


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I doubt that Trump had anything to do with the Russians. All he had to do was sit tight while the Comey investigation and later the Mueller investigation played out. But no, Trump for whatever reason had to interfere with investigation then fire Comey. Now it looks like he's going down the same road with Mueller. In the minds of the public, his possible involvement with the Russian will be unresolved but his inference in the investigations will be fact and that's what's going bring him down.

If he fired Mueller tomorrow, that doesn't mean the investigation would stop. But even if that did happen, this has been going on for two years now, and nothing that was related to the accusation has been found.

This is the first in depth lengthy investigation that was ever started with zero proof of any wrongdoing. All other investigations had to have at least a hint of illegal activities even if they were found no laws were broken in the end.

If you care to research, you will see that there has been a long list of special prosecutors and special counsels. The investigations are all different but most commonly they do not release interim reports; that is all the public sees are indictments and trials as is occurring in the Mueller investigation. In about half the investigations a report was released at the end of investigation and made available to the public. There is nothing unusually about this investigation.

As far as length of the investigation is concerned, the shortest investigation was Watergate which lasted only a few months. The longest was the Clinton Whitewater Investigation which lasted 8 1/2 years. The Iran-Contra investigation lasted over 6 years. The average length of an investigation is about 1 1/2 to 2 years. The Mueller investigation has been going less than 18 months.

If this investigation is judged base on length of the investigation and indictments and convictions it will be one of the most successful in history. There has certainly been more than a hint of illegal activities with 27 individual indictments and 3 corporate indictments plus 5 convictions to date.

If the Mueller investigation is stopped or sidetracked it will be because Trump wants it stopped just as he wanted the FBI investigation stopped. With democrats in control of the House, obstructing an investigation as he did with Comey is likely to cause Trump a lot more problems than letting it finish. However, if there is really damaging evidence of wrong doing against Trump, then he has good reason to shut it down and take his chances with congress.

Special prosecutor - Wikipedia
Mueller's investigation into Trump started one year ago — here's how long special prosecutor investigations usually last

Donald Trump was elected President on November 3rd 2016 and his inauguration was on January 20th, 2017. His investigation started almost immediately after taking office. He was only in politics a matter of days instead of the examples you provided where these were career politicians; some of them almost their entire adult life.

None of Mueller's indictments and convictions have anything to to with the charge Trump colluded with Russia. In fact, the only proof of Russian collusion is Hillary, the DNC, and her legal team. Yet no investigation into that......so far.

So what does Muller think he's doing? Why is he doing all this? Because he's hoping and praying that somebody he's putting pressure on will say something about Trump that he could go after him with. Like the Dr. Ford testimony, it doesn't have to be true, just enough to make uninformed voters suspicious about Trump. This is what federal agents used to do to try and get the top mob guys.

Trump has spent very little time in politics because his line of work was business and entertainment. Because of his wealth, he's been investigated by the IRS Lord knows how many times in his life. Trump didn't really need this job of President. In fact, it's pretty much a step-down in his life, so he wouldn't do anything illegal to get this job. It just wasn't that important to him like it would be for any other career politician.

”Donald Trump was elected President on November 3rd 2016”

Shit, you can’t even get the simple stuff right.

 

[Dr Grump]

If he fired Mueller tomorrow, that doesn't mean the investigation would stop. But even if that did happen, this has been going on for two years now, and nothing that was related to the accusation has been found.

This is the first in depth lengthy investigation that was ever started with zero proof of any wrongdoing. All other investigations had to have at least a hint of illegal activities even if they were found no laws were broken in the end.

With regard to your first paragraph. Starr didn't start out investigating Lewinsky either. Look where that led.

As to your second paragraph, of course there was proof. That is why they started it in the first place.