If corporate taxes are at their lowest rate, and productivity and profits are at...

Where are the jobs? the concept is simple enough so that even a union educated American can understand it. The Obama administration is at war with capitalism and the liberal media is supporting the OWS terrorist group. Energy prices are high and the administration intends to keep them high. Democrats decided that small businesses that gross more than $250,000 per year are "rich" and should be penalized for their success. The socialist mess called the "health care law" is starting to click in. Corporations refuse to expand or hire because they don't know what the Fuk democrats are trying to do to the Country.

Corporartions refuse to expand or hire, because they're getting fat off of lowered tax bills. Have them help the country out a bit more with taxes and maybe they'll work a little harder to make it up, instead of sitting on their asses, smoking cigars and slapping each other on the back about how much they make for so little production or effort on their part.
 
Romney is one of the people that shipped jobs overseas. Romney represents, perfectly, the 1% that values profits over everything else, including this country and its economy.

You can pretend that the income inequality in this country (which is worse than the income inequality in ancient Rome) doesn't matter...but it does and it is mattering more and more every day. I mean, you really want to talk about ignoring history...what has happened when income inequality reaches levels like today, historically speaking?

Love the new avatar. Give up on Perry, the little Dumber Boy, did you?

What is the problem with income inequality, sweet-cheeks? I've asked this several times and no one can give a coherent answer. Based on the quality of your posts you're sure to fail as well.
Romney did not ship a single jon overseas. Just for the record.

The "problem" with our current level of income equality can be found in history books (and in Dragon's answer).

Yes, Willard DID ship jobs overseas.
Huntsman campaign targets Romney on factory closings - Boston.com

IOW you have no idea.
I dont know who Willard is. He isn't Mitt Romney though.
FAIL. As predicted.
 
The biggest scam is that the rich are "job creators", when the two biggest prerogatives are increasing sales and lowering costs. To lower costs you need to eliminate jobs without lowering sales. Given that primary capitalist principle, we are fooling ourselves in thinking that not taxing the rich will increase jobs. It will only increase bottom lines, but not lead to jobs because no one's making enough to increase sales significantly.

"Prerogative"? Do you speak English?

Oh boy, a vocabulary flame! Maybe it wasn't the best word, but the post beats yours easily on substance. :D

Now I see he meant "priority".
His post had substance. In the same way bull shit has substance.
 
What is the problem with income inequality, sweet-cheeks? I've asked this several times and no one can give a coherent answer. Based on the quality of your posts you're sure to fail as well.
Romney did not ship a single jon overseas. Just for the record.

The "problem" with our current level of income equality can be found in history books (and in Dragon's answer).

Yes, Willard DID ship jobs overseas.
Huntsman campaign targets Romney on factory closings - Boston.com

IOW you have no idea.
I dont know who Willard is. He isn't Mitt Romney though.
FAIL. As predicted.

You don't know the real name of the likely GOP candidate Willard Romney?

The proof that Willard's company shipped JOBS overseas has been provided. Looks like the "fail" is all yours.
 

We have the Second highest Cooperate Tax rate in the world my friend. Spin that.
 
Not sure why you Fault Romney for moving jobs over seas as a CEO. He was simply doing his job, and Looking out for the Company. Moving jobs over seas make sense because of high Tax rates, Labor costs, and Tough Regulations here. If you want to blame someone for that blame Government, not CEO's.
 
Not sure why you Fault Romney for moving jobs over seas as a CEO. He was simply doing his job, and Looking out for the Company. Moving jobs over seas make sense because of high Tax rates, Labor costs, and Tough Regulations here. If you want to blame someone for that blame Government, not CEO's.

Absolutely. Corporate profits are much more important than people or a country's economy. Go with that.
 

We have the Second highest Cooperate Tax rate in the world my friend. Spin that.

We would...if not for all the loopholes which end up making it less than most countries.
 
The "problem" with our current level of income equality can be found in history books (and in Dragon's answer).

Yes, Willard DID ship jobs overseas.
Huntsman campaign targets Romney on factory closings - Boston.com

IOW you have no idea.
I dont know who Willard is. He isn't Mitt Romney though.
FAIL. As predicted.

You don't know the real name of the likely GOP candidate Willard Romney?

The proof that Willard's company shipped JOBS overseas has been provided. Looks like the "fail" is all yours.

He isnt the likely GOP candidate. He is leading at the moment.
He did not ship jobs overseas.
His company did not ship jobs overseas.
The company he was associated with, Bain, bought an interest in another company and their management made the decision on where to expand. So Romney actually had nothing to do with it.
Like I said, total and complete fail on your part.
 
Not sure why you Fault Romney for moving jobs over seas as a CEO. He was simply doing his job, and Looking out for the Company. Moving jobs over seas make sense because of high Tax rates, Labor costs, and Tough Regulations here. If you want to blame someone for that blame Government, not CEO's.

Absolutely. Corporate profits are much more important than people or a country's economy. Go with that.

If corporations don't make a profit then no one is employed.
But the Left would rather have no one employed so they can become wards of the welfare state and vote Democrat.
 
I think too many people here trust their political party too much, especially the Right, who buys into the bumper sticker logic that lower taxes and fewer regulations will increase solid jobs, with livable wages.

The good jobs that this country saw during the postwar years were a historical anomaly based on the destruction which befell our competitors during WWII.

Globalization and automatization have displaced the old American Middle Class, which class, because of Unions and the New Deal, was the highest paid in history. In fact, American Labor was so well compensated that the father could support the entire family on just his wage. The wage structure of the postwar American middle class was destroyed so big business could make higher profits through cheap 3rd world labor. Any jobs which return to the USA will NOT be the old livable middle class wage - they will be 3rd world wages.

People keep saying "where are the jobs" as if they think we can go back to the wage structure of the 1950's when most Americans made enough money to thrive and send their children to school. That wage structure was based on a historical anomaly: 1) our competitors were destroyed by the war so we were manufacturer to the world, and 2) government tax policy made sure that hard working Americans participated fully in economic growth, that is, the Government didn't allow a small group of wealthy individuals and corporations pocket all the gains of economic growth - money was funneled down to things like education, health care, and affordable cost of living for the masses. This is why America had the most well educated citizenry in the 50s; this is before the wealthy, using the Republican party, convinced America that educating our children was socialism.

The kind of solid jobs that support a vibrant middle class are not coming back. As long as our global competitors will work for pennies, there is no incentive to bring back livable wages to America. We can only bring back jobs for labor markets willing to work for dog food.

Obama can't bring good jobs back. Nor can Romney.

The only people who believe that the jobs will come back are those who listen to Talk Radio. They're called Republicans and they believe that their guy can bring back the glory days. Those people are casualties of government propaganda. They believe too deeply in the power of Washington.

The game is over. Americans will have to learn to live with less - a lot less.

(Attention morons: for the last 30 years jobs have come from credit cards. We replaced our manufacturing plants with shopping malls, then we handed out Master Cards and Visas so people could go on a 30 year debt orgy. When our credit cards got too full, we actually turned our homes into ATMs. Morning in America was actually a slight of hand. It created economic growth purely from credit based consumption)
 
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Did you ever think that China is more "business friendly" because they have a captive labor force? Because the wages their workers get are the equivalent of slave labor in the US? Sure... Businesses don't want to look like total assholes, so they...ohhhh... do what they do best... market themselves in the best light.

They blame everything BUT the slave labor wages. Hell, they might even hire some "personalities" to go on AM radio and find the sympathetic ear of a Media Mogul to start his own TV News Channel in hopes that the bait and switch will continue indefinitely.

Then they take their profits and reinvest it OUTSIDE their own country, leaving this one to, little by little, fall into squalor.

This is what this ridiculous form of Capitalism has become.

Slave Labor? Hysteric much?

Fact is, China has advanced 300 million people to the Middle Class in the last few decades.

Besides that, labor costs are only a small part of the puzzle. What it costs to transport goods and what tarrifs are left usually erase any savings. It's the regulations, the fact that thanks to public education, Americans are dumber than stones, the taxes that are really the problem, not just the labor costs.

Middle class in the Chinese economy means little here in the US... besides... the Chinese also have a National health care program, a national education program and many other national Socialisms that WE CANNOT COMPETE WITH... and may I repeat myself? A much cheaper standard of living.

The rest of your post? Prove it. Don't tell me what Rush tells you as fact.. I want you to actually prove it.... black and white numbers from an unbiased source.
 
China isn't threatening companies with redistribution of wealth. China isn't burdening manufacturing with regulatory burdens designed to drive them out of China. As much as the US has been driving companies out of the US, it's a wonder ANY are left here at all. Maybe after there are a few strikes and protests to shut them down, those will leave too.

The real reason companies aren't hiring is that the economy is too unstable. Get obama out of office and replace him with someone who doesn't believe in Cloward-Piven as the gospel, it will pick up.

You're a fucking idiot....

China is a COMMUNIST COUNTRY!!!! Of course they aren't THREATENING companies... they fucking OWN them. They don't give a shit about REGULATIONS, because they don't give a shit about their people or their environment.

THIS is your vision of AMERICA? Way to go, Comrade.
 
I refuse to settle fro a world where profit is the most important thing

Ah, yes...the "evils" of making a profit!

I hate to break this to you TM but when a company doesn't make a profit...generally speaking that company ceases to exist. When that takes place, your "people" no longer have a job and can't put food on the table or keep a roof over their heads.

And before you start telling me the woes of "excessive profits" let me point out that one of the wonderful things about a free market system is that when one person is making huge profits on a good or service then it's almost a given that someone else will enter the market, undercut their price for that good or service and compete for market share thus driving down the cost of that good or service. Isn't captialism wonderful?

Not to jump in... but TM didn't say anything about companies NOT making profits. He/she was talking about a country where Profit is the priority over the people. In that, I agree.
 
I think too many people here trust their political party too much, especially the Right, who buys into the bumper sticker logic that lower taxes and fewer regulations will increase solid jobs, with livable wages.

The good jobs that this country saw during the postwar years were a historical anomaly based on the destruction which befell our competitors during WWII.

Globalization and automatization have displaced the old American Middle Class, which class, because of Unions and the New Deal, was the highest paid in history. In fact, American Labor was so well compensated that the father could support the entire family on just his wage. The wage structure of the postwar American middle class was destroyed so big business could make higher profits through cheap 3rd world labor. Any jobs which return to the USA will NOT be the old livable middle class wage - they will be 3rd world wages.

People keep saying "where are the jobs" as if they think we can go back to the wage structure of the 1950's when most Americans made enough money to thrive and send their children to school. That wage structure was based on a historical anomaly: 1) our competitors were destroyed by the war so we were manufacturer to the world, and 2) government tax policy made sure that hard working Americans participated fully in economic growth, that is, the Government didn't allow a small group of wealthy individuals and corporations pocket all the gains of economic growth - money was funneled down to things like education, health care, and affordable cost of living for the masses. This is why America had the most well educated citizenry in the 50s; this is before the wealthy, using the Republican party, convinced America that educating our children was socialism.

The kind of solid jobs that support a vibrant middle class are not coming back. As long as our global competitors will work for pennies, there is no incentive to bring back livable wages to America. We can only bring back jobs for labor markets willing to work for dog food.

Obama can't bring good jobs back. Nor can Romney.

The only people who believe that the jobs will come back are those who listen to Talk Radio. They're called Republicans and they believe that their guy can bring back the glory days. Those people are casualties of government propaganda. They believe too deeply in the power of Washington.

The game is over. Americans will have to learn to live with less - a lot less.

(Attention morons: for the last 30 years jobs have come from credit cards. We replaced our manufacturing plants with shopping malls, then we handed out Master Cards and Visas so people could go on a 30 year debt orgy. When our credit cards got too full, we actually turned our homes into ATMs. Morning in America was actually a slight of hand. It created economic growth purely from credit based consumption)

While I don't disagree with your premise that the time of one blue collar worker making enough to support an entire family on just one wage is long gone and hard to find I wonder what your solution to the problem is. You say that Republicans believe too deeply in the power of Washington? I think you're confused about your political parties here, Londoner. It's the GOP that believes deeply in the power of the American economy to prosper if it's unfettered "by" Washington. I still believe that American workers can compete with anyone for build quality and production...it's simply a question of making that economically viable. You're right about things not being as they were. We live in a global community now. We have to compete against cheaper labor elsewhere. My question to you is this...does continually increasing our dependence on entitlements and Federal Government regulation make us better or worse when it comes to competing globally? Before you accuse me of wanting to do away with protections like OSHA or the EPA, let me state that I understand the need for government agencies that look out for our well being. My problem is that those agencies never know when to stop and the layer upon layer of regulations that we now have to deal with in this country is absolutely stifling the one thing that we've always had going for us...entrepreneurialism and innovation...the small businesses like Apple and Microsoft that grew out of someone's garage to become mammoth businesses that hire hundreds of thousands of people.
 
LOL...believe what you want, Joe, but I'm just telling it like I see it. I want ya'll to pick a Gingrich, Bachmann or frothy Santorum more than anything. It would be an Obama landslide. Romney will be close, but Obama will still win.

Sorry, this is where i get a little bored with all you guys saying how you respect Romney when you are just waiting for him to secure the nomination to rip into him.

The Caucus last night should have put a lie to the whole "Romney can attract Indpendents" argument when in fact, he got just the same number of votes in 2008 and he did in 2012.
 
America will need to adapt or
the only jobs available will be government jobs.

How will companies be able to make a product and
make profit where America's work force want to make
a salary with benefits that just make it impossible for a
company to survive.

The President needs to fix the issues we have with China.
They "own our Ass now"....
 
America will need to adapt or
the only jobs available will be government jobs.

How will companies be able to make a product and
make profit where America's work force want to make
a salary with benefits that just make it impossible for a
company to survive.

The President needs to fix the issues we have with China.
They "own our Ass now"....

China has a lot of its own problems, not the least of which is that it's economic growth has topped out. So you have a lot of people who've just hit glass ceilings looking up at people who have more.

Much like the Manchus of a Century ago, the Communists have no idea how to handle all the change coming down the pipe.
 
Why ask a question if you aren't willing to listen to answers other than what you've already decided is the correct one? Do you realize that you do exactly that with all of your strings, Billy?

Answer your own question...if corporate taxes are low, why aren't more companies hiring? You've stated as a "fact" that it's not regulations or the threat of coming regulations that is holding up hiring. I disagree with you. I think the threat of legislation that would increase the cost of doing business...like Cap & Trade and EPA regulations and ObamaCare...has made businesses cautious about increasing the size of their labor force until they see the economy improving.

Rabbi is a joke, so I will treat him as such.

So you are "disagreeing" with "facts"? Hmm. :lol:

You are really overreaching with this cap and trade thing. The threat of legislation? Come on. That is ridiculous. What imminent threat are corporations facing exactly?

And show me proof that ObamaCare has caused significant uncertainty.

You can't just state that your opinion is "fact", Billy and expect that to be the end of the discussion. Sorry but that's not the way it works here. I disagree with you on what is a fact and what isn't. I've asked you to explain what YOU think has prompted the lack of hiring and instead of doing so you make a vague statement that I've overreached on "this cap and trade thing". In what way have I overreached? Would Cap & Trade legislation NOT have added billions to the energy costs of companies across the US? Would that NOT have affected the bottom line of all those companies? Do you really not understand that something as crucial as the cost of energy could determine whether a company decides to build a plant here as opposed to some other country that won't have those high energy costs?

But it isn't my opinion. It is based upon data, which is the closest to facts. Your opinion is null if you cannot support it with data of your own.

What do I think is keeping corporations from hiring? I think it's because it is cheaper to create jobs overseas.

I will concede on the cap and trade discussion if you can show me proof that it is currently imminent legislation.
 

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