Debate Now If Canada buys off U.S politicians is it collusion? Are there consequences for those on the take?

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    Yes, I agree. However, there has to be fair and equal outrage. I hear so much "Russia Russia" but nothing about how much money Hillary received. I now see some U.S politicians trying to take away Trumps ability to apply tariffs, I have to consider a country like Canada, UK or China pushing behind the scenes to have this done, a nice little suitcase left in someones office would suffice.

    This completely undermines the U.S Republic and it surely would not survive unless there are consequences for said politicians. Don't you guys agree? Again, I've been keeping my finger on the pulse for selfish reasons, but also for benevolent purposes and I don't like what I read between the lines with certain actors...

    Coupled with Canadas near zero, literally, enforcement of bribery, it's clear what our M.O is. For a nation that doesn't innovate or compete, it's the Fiefdom tactic.
     
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    foreign nationals, not foreign countries....

    for·eign na·tion·al
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    noun: foreign national; plural noun: foreign nationals
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    I just posted it after searching, I don't know the exact statute in U.S law. I do know that one must exist. If it exists the Feds should be enforcing it, no? Is this about political fear so they don't? That would not be the system I've read so much about.

    Canada has been useless in this enforcement, it has hurt Canada immensely, but also our allies who have businesses here and have Executives on the take. So, in Canada a big bribing country is China, without question. Even going so far as having politicians on the take via use of a Honeytrap. I'm sure Russia has some pull, and of course the usual suspects in Britain who probably don't even view it as corruption, since we are technically part of the monarchy
     
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    The statute you posted is irrelevant to your argument. You might as well have posted about parking ordinances in Kansas City.

    No one can bribe politicians in the US, regardless of nationality.

    However, it is perfectly legal for Americans and foreigners to pour money into lobbying firms to affect political outcomes.
     
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    So, in effect, to bribe your politicians.
     
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    All donations are public record.

    Go find examples of foreign governments contributing to political campaigns.
     
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    Ok nice. Is there a government website for that? I forgot, you guys have transparency haha. Believe me, this kind of stuff is NEVER transparent in Canada, even when politicians vote for their own pay increases.
     
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    Aren't all donations to lobbying firms bribing politicians?

    You posted an irrelevant statute in your OP to imply that Canadians are doing something illegal in the US. They aren't. And they aren't doing anything different than any other country.

    Your argument is a logical fallacy. There is a difference between lobbying and effecting campaigns. There's a difference between trying to get legislation passed in Parliament and trying to get the NDP elected in Ottawa or Queen's Park. Those are two different things. Lobbying is an attempt to shape legislation. It is not trying to shape the outcome of an election. But you are trying to conflate the two as being the same. They are not.
     
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    You're insane if you think that big money doesn't sway an election. First of all.

    Lobbying someone through money to enact legislation AFTER they are elected or giving someone money as they are fighting to get elected, is very much the same thing in my eyes.

    Canada gave millions to the Clinton Foundation, we also had outspoken critics of Trump, as they did in England and elsewhere. These actions are designed to impact an election, just as someone using 13 Russians on facebook do. It's all about shaping opinion. Suggesting "Russia interfered in our election, but all the other stuff other countries did, was alright" is hypocrisy.

    EVERYONE tries to influence and have their horse win, I am trying to find out how and to whom Canada is working behind the scenes to influence as we are not to shy in bragging about our efforts in Washington on CBC
     
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    Of course big money affects elections. But you’ve shown no evidence that Canada is trying to affect US elections.

    Instead, you are attempting to make a spurious connection between lobbying and elections. You are posting irrelevant statutes and examples to support your argument. Those are two different things. That’s why they are covered by different laws and regulations.
     
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