If America was founded by Republicans why do we have Democrats?

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Didn't they create the Constitution to, in effect, make big government liberalism illegal?

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Back in the days of the revolution, did big liberal governments even exist? Where was the welfare state that they FF's were trying to avoid? As I recall, the form of government that they were reacting to was a monarchy, not the same as a big liberal government.

Now, you might make the argument that a big liberal government leads to the sort of totalitarianism that was the problem with the monarchy, but if you're saying that the FF's were specifically trying to avoid liberalism as it's often defined in current settings, you're off your f'in rocker.

That's like saying guns were invented specifically to protect us against interstellar planet-miners.

 

[ItsjustmeIthink]

Didn't they create the Constitution to, in effect, make big government liberalism illegal?

I don't mean this in a objective way. But weren't the people who created the Constitution in favor of a strong federal government? Or at least a Federal Gov't that had more power than the states, and that Republicans nowadays are typically in favor of more state rights?

Also, you CAN'T say political parties back then are the same as know. In fact, during Reconstruction it was the Republicans who were protecting minorty interests (namely, when the federal troops were stationed in the south)

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I don't mean this in a objective way. But weren't the people who created the Constitution in favor of a strong federal government?

no dear, Hitler Stalin and Mao were for a strong central government, our Founders were for a very weak central government with only a few enumerated powers described in the Constitution.

Or at least a Federal Gov't that had more power than the states,

no dear, it was to be a federal government, not a national government, that shared power with the states

and that Republicans nowadays are typically in favor of more state rights?

yes, Republicans since Jefferson founded the party in 1792 have been for freedom from central government

Also, you CAN'T say political parties back then are the same as know.

actually they are identical. Republicans have wanted freedom from big liberal government since 1792 while liberals have opposed freedom

In fact, during Reconstruction it was the Republicans who were protecting minorty interests (namely, when the federal troops were stationed in the south)

of course true but that was a minor and temporary issue, the major issue has always been freedom from big liberal government. Our liberals have always opposed this basic principle of America. Now you know why they spied for Stalin and gave him the bomb.

 

[uscitizen]

Conservatives were loyal to the crown.
Liberals founded America.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Conservatives were loyal to the crown.
Liberals founded America.

dear, using todays defintions conservatives are opposed to big government so obviously would have been opposed to the crown.

using the "against change' definition" you are correct.


See why we say liberals are slow??

 

[Political Junky]

Conservatives were loyal to the crown.
Liberals founded America.

You got that right.

 

[Handsomelad]

Ever study american history? The political parties have changed greatly over time.

How bout them federalists?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Didn't they create the Constitution to, in effect, make big government liberalism illegal?

I don't mean this in a objective way. But weren't the people who created the Constitution in favor of a strong federal government? Or at least a Federal Gov't that had more power than the states, and that Republicans nowadays are typically in favor of more state rights?

Also, you CAN'T say political parties back then are the same as know. In fact, during Reconstruction it was the Republicans who were protecting minorty interests (namely, when the federal troops were stationed in the south)

The creators believed in a limited government. Leaving more power to the people and the States.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

How many times are you going to make this thread?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/histo...-what-place-do-democrats-have-in-america.html

 

[Billo_Really]

We have democrats to scare the shit out of people, so they'll keep voting republican.

When given the choice of being a liar or a pussy, most people choose liar.

 

[Pho_King]

Didn't they create the Constitution to, in effect, make big government liberalism illegal?

There are democrats to make sure the lazy and shiftless also receive proper representation.

 

[jillian]

Didn't they create the Constitution to, in effect, make big government liberalism illegal?

damn, you're 10 pounds of stupid in a 5 lb bag...

The name was first used by Thomas Jefferson's party, later called the Democratic Republican party or, simply, the Democratic party. The name reappeared in the 1850s, when the present-day Republican party was founded.

Read more: Republican party: Origins and Early Years — Infoplease.com Republican party: Origins and Early Years — Infoplease.com

besides,you'd have probably been a federalist then:

The Federalist Party was the first American political party, from the early 1790s to 1816, the era of the First Party System, with remnants lasting into the 1820s. The Federalists controlled the federal government until 1801. The party was formed by Alexander Hamilton, who, during George Washington's first term, built a network of supporters, largely urban bankers and businessmen, to support his fiscal policies.

Federalist Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[mememe]

If America was founded by Republicans why do we have Democrats?


So that you can think you have a choice, and your ruling elites can say you have "democracy".

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

If America was founded by Republicans why do we have Democrats?


So that you can think you have a choice, and your ruling elites can say you have "democracy".

Dear, Nazis would be a choice too, but what we want is a choice consistent with basic American principles. Democrats spied for Stalin, BO had two communist parents and voted to the left of Bernie Sanders. That's not a choice consistent with American principles.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Didn't they create the Constitution to, in effect, make big government liberalism illegal?[/quote]

damn, you're 10 pounds of stupid in a 5 lb bag..

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if true why are you so afraid to say exactly why? What does your fear tell you??

 

[mememe]

Dear, Nazis would be a choice too, but what we want is a choice consistent with basic American principles. Democrats spied for Stalin, BO had two communist parents and voted to the left of Bernie Sanders. That's not a choice consistent with American principles.

Isn't "democracy" what the majority of the population of any given country want for themselves at any given period in history?

Then, if Germans in 1930-s were supportive of Hitler -- it was their DEMOCRATIC choice!

And what is "democratic" in unleashing a witch hunt against a political party out of fear of its rising popularity in US? I am talking about communists who were VERY popular in post-war Europe.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Isn't "democracy" what the majority of the population of any given country want for themselves at any given period in history?

yes but who cares?? We thankfully don't have a democracy, we have a Constitutional democracy because our founders knew that common people are not worthy of 100 % of the power. So common people are represented by 3 branches of government the press and the






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[mememe]

Isn't "democracy" what the majority of the population of any given country want for themselves at any given period in history?

yes but who cares?? We thankfully don't have a democracy, we have a Constitutional democracy because our founders knew that common people are not worthy of 100 % of the power. So common people are represented by 3 branches of government the press and the

[/QUOTE]

Whatever rocks your boat.

 

[daveman]

Conservatives were loyal to the crown.
Liberals founded America.

Today's liberals would have informed on the revolutionaries.