If America was founded by Republicans why do we have Democrats?

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  1. EdwardBaiamonte
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    Didn't they create the Constitution to, in effect, make big government liberalism illegal?
     
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    Back in the days of the revolution, did big liberal governments even exist? Where was the welfare state that they FF's were trying to avoid? As I recall, the form of government that they were reacting to was a monarchy, not the same as a big liberal government.

    Now, you might make the argument that a big liberal government leads to the sort of totalitarianism that was the problem with the monarchy, but if you're saying that the FF's were specifically trying to avoid liberalism as it's often defined in current settings, you're off your f'in rocker.

    That's like saying guns were invented specifically to protect us against interstellar planet-miners.
     
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    I don't mean this in a objective way. But weren't the people who created the Constitution in favor of a strong federal government? Or at least a Federal Gov't that had more power than the states, and that Republicans nowadays are typically in favor of more state rights?

    Also, you CAN'T say political parties back then are the same as know. In fact, during Reconstruction it was the Republicans who were protecting minorty interests (namely, when the federal troops were stationed in the south)
     
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    no dear, Hitler Stalin and Mao were for a strong central government, our Founders were for a very weak central government with only a few enumerated powers described in the Constitution.

    no dear, it was to be a federal government, not a national government, that shared power with the states


    yes, Republicans since Jefferson founded the party in 1792 have been for freedom from central government



    actually they are identical. Republicans have wanted freedom from big liberal government since 1792 while liberals have opposed freedom


    of course true but that was a minor and temporary issue, the major issue has always been freedom from big liberal government. Our liberals have always opposed this basic principle of America. Now you know why they spied for Stalin and gave him the bomb.
     
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    Conservatives were loyal to the crown.
    Liberals founded America.
     
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    dear, using todays defintions conservatives are opposed to big government so obviously would have been opposed to the crown.

    using the "against change' definition" you are correct.


    See why we say liberals are slow??
     
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    You got that right.
     
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    Ever study american history? The political parties have changed greatly over time.

    How bout them federalists?
     
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    The creators believed in a limited government. Leaving more power to the people and the States.
     
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