If a person uses a link to a blog as a NEWS SOURCE is it valid?

[Lewdog]

So you know what thread brought this question to mind. Saying someone isn't an American citizen and is an illegal immigrant isn't really something you have an opinion about. It takes facts to prove, it isn't subjective, it is objective. There are specific rules in order to become a naturalized citizen.

The reason I tagged you was because the retired poster said that threads about subjects that are objective or real don't require a link.

So you know what thread brought this question to mind.

no idea

Saying someone isn't an American citizen and is an illegal immigrant isn't really something you have an opinion about.

why not?

It takes facts in order to have an opinion on it. Omar was a naturalized citizen at 17. You can't just say you THINK she was a different person and lied about it. You need facts or some kind of source for that, not just something you pull out of thin air.

It's not like a discussion asking who you think the best and worst President is. Or say you think that the citizenship test and requirements should be changed.

Specifically concerning THIS person and this story -- there's enough smoke coming out of "mainstream news"...

For instance, her two apparently simultaneous marriages is a thing. And it seems the purpose might have been to get SOMEONE into the country with a "90 day fiance" marriage...

New documents revisit questions about Rep. Ilhan Omar's marriage history

So -- this is why USMB moderation is not in the business of truth checking.....

That doesn't make her not a U.S. citizen. She was smart NOT to talk about it, because then it just gives it validity, and no mate what she says people are going to continue to believe what they want to believe. So once she denies it once, that's all it takes, no reason to keep talking about it. Did you read the full article? It says the more people looked into it, the less they found. If she misused campaign funds then she should be punished for it, which is more than likely a fine. In this day and age of how easy it is to find information, if people could not find a smoking gun from 2016 to now... then there is none.

But no matter about OTHER claims. There's enough IGNORED elements to her story that reasonable folks DO want to explore... Therefore -- they can explore it on USMB...

It's more than campaign finance violations. THere is potentially IRS fraud and immigration fraud attached to the UN-debunked stories... And those stories are EMBARGOED by the mainstream media....

You're in an age when "appealing to authority" is ill-advised. Because "authority" now has agendas and political baggage.... Applies to the papers, the network "news" and most social media sites. We're not changing.. Period...

They have explored for THREE years and found no smoking gun. How long does it need to be played out? 8 years like birther crap?

 

[Picaro]

If someone starts a thread in Politics or another place on the forum, and they use a link to a blog, is that a valid link to proclaim it as a proper news source? Doesn't the forum require a news link in the OP related to the title and purpose of the thread?

Can we get a list of these "valid" news sources ?

Indeed. That should be an hilarious list ...

 

[Picaro]

I seriously doubt many of those who drop his name in defense of some point or other has ever actually read his writings, same with Jefferson and Franklin. I'm glad Adams liked his writing, but book reviews from the 18th Century from partisans aren't worth much. Even Adams was only one opinion among the 5,000 or so people who ran things back then. No way Paine is comparable with the Founders.

And many HAVE read the writings. And they get to weigh in.. There are many "notables" who occasionally get credited for the Founding.. T. Paine is one of them.. Highly referenced that way in academic writing... For instance, (out of dozens I found)

1. "Founding Father Thomas Paine: He Genuinely Abhorred Slavery". The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education (48): 45. 2005. JSTOR 25073236.
2. ^ David Braff (2009). "Forgotten Founding Father: The Impact of Thomas Paine". In Joyce Chumbley (ed.), Thomas Paine: In Search of the Common Good (2009) pp. 39–43

Easy to find history written that way...

Thomas Paine

Thomas Paine was a Founding Father, the philosopher of the American War for Independence, and a true revolutionary. His essays and pamphlets, especially Common Sense, noted for its plain language, resonated with the common people of America and roused them to rally behind the movement for independence. Following the American Revolution, Paine immigrated to Europe where the British government declared him and outlaw for his anti-monarchist views, and where he actively participated in the French Revolution.

In there is "your clue" where Paine's priorities and usefulness lie.. He moved his quest for freedom of govt oppression to France. Being a "rabble rouser" doesn't pay that well.. LOL....

Ask the former CIC "community organizer" about that...

His station in life AFTER the war was largely up to him... Heroes aren't all "successful" people.. And politics was NOT his bag...

Yes, the French Evolution and its legacy of 'freedom' is greatly admired to this day ... if you're a Maoist, or Ted Bundy.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If someone starts a thread in Politics or another place on the forum, and they use a link to a blog, is that a valid link to proclaim it as a proper news source? Doesn't the forum require a news link in the OP related to the title and purpose of the thread?

There is NO requirement for a link in every thread that is a lie.

In Zone 2 the Mods have very often said that unless you provide a link to support your thread they will close it.

Kat WillHaftawaite flacaltenn Dont Taz Me Bro ?

I don't care there is no requirement that all threads have a link I posted one in Politics with out one and was told it was ok after Pogo tried to derail it.

Posters are at liberty to start a thread based on their subjective, wrongheaded opinions, lies, misinformation, and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.

No link to a source is required for such threads because no link exists, the thread premise being devoid of fact and merit.

You were likely challenged to cite objective, documented evidence in support of your post; that you were challenged to do so doesn’t mean an effort was made to ‘derail’ the thread.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If someone starts a thread in Politics or another place on the forum, and they use a link to a blog, is that a valid link to proclaim it as a proper news source? Doesn't the forum require a news link in the OP related to the title and purpose of the thread?

It is a valid link, and it can be attacked in debate as an opinion and not a news source...but for purposes here, where a link is required it serves that purpose.

It would be a moderation nightmare if we had to determine what was or was not a proper news source. Plus opinion pieces can give interesting insights to stimulate discussion.

And opinion pieces often contain objective, documented, and verified sources in support of the opinion.

 

[Andylusion]

If someone starts a thread in Politics or another place on the forum, and they use a link to a blog, is that a valid link to proclaim it as a proper news source? Doesn't the forum require a news link in the OP related to the title and purpose of the thread?

It depends really. My problem is, I see tons of 'opinion' in the major news outlets like CNN and MSNBC, and so on. I tons of opinion being tossed around, like it's news.

So... what difference is there with a blog? Nothing. In fact, many of these "news reporters" have their own articles they write in the opinion section. Well what is that? It's a glorified blog, with a small veneer of authority because it comes from a "news source".

So again, it depends. I would have to see the blog and evaluated it. Opinions are 90% of the 'news' now.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

A blog is a blog. News is news. If someone tries to use a blog as news, I take it with a grain of salt.

"News sources" should be taken with a grain of salt, too. The term is intentionally nebulous, and is mainly used create fake credibility for Government-run media.

Nonsense.

News is considered reliable because it comes from multiple sources, such as the BBC, Reuters, or the AP.

And a news source should be verified as reliable by checking other sources for accuracy.

 

[flacaltenn]

no idea

why not?

It takes facts in order to have an opinion on it. Omar was a naturalized citizen at 17. You can't just say you THINK she was a different person and lied about it. You need facts or some kind of source for that, not just something you pull out of thin air.

It's not like a discussion asking who you think the best and worst President is. Or say you think that the citizenship test and requirements should be changed.

Specifically concerning THIS person and this story -- there's enough smoke coming out of "mainstream news"...

For instance, her two apparently simultaneous marriages is a thing. And it seems the purpose might have been to get SOMEONE into the country with a "90 day fiance" marriage...

New documents revisit questions about Rep. Ilhan Omar's marriage history

So -- this is why USMB moderation is not in the business of truth checking.....

That doesn't make her not a U.S. citizen. She was smart NOT to talk about it, because then it just gives it validity, and no mate what she says people are going to continue to believe what they want to believe. So once she denies it once, that's all it takes, no reason to keep talking about it. Did you read the full article? It says the more people looked into it, the less they found. If she misused campaign funds then she should be punished for it, which is more than likely a fine. In this day and age of how easy it is to find information, if people could not find a smoking gun from 2016 to now... then there is none.

But no matter about OTHER claims. There's enough IGNORED elements to her story that reasonable folks DO want to explore... Therefore -- they can explore it on USMB...

It's more than campaign finance violations. THere is potentially IRS fraud and immigration fraud attached to the UN-debunked stories... And those stories are EMBARGOED by the mainstream media....

You're in an age when "appealing to authority" is ill-advised. Because "authority" now has agendas and political baggage.... Applies to the papers, the network "news" and most social media sites. We're not changing.. Period...

They have explored for THREE years and found no smoking gun. How long does it need to be played out? 8 years like birther crap?

Who's they? The whole story has largely been buried nationally.. There's a lot of questions unanswered... Especially in regards to tax and immigration fraud connected with the dual marriage...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You think a blog is a good site to get information of someone saying FACTS? For example the BLOG that said Rep. Omar is not really a U.S. citizen, that she lied about her identity when entering the U.S. It had absolutely no proof to support that, and was just a blog of his opinion.

You decide. We just allow freedom of expression and attempt to get discussions. We are not "fact checkers" or algorithmic filters...

Cool so does this mean Mind Wars can put all her stuff in politics?

Yes – lies, misinformation, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, and rightwing fake news is very much part of our political reality.

Indeed, conservatives use lies, misinformation, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, and fake news as a partisan weapon to advance their agenda and attack their political opponents.

Conservativism flourishes in an environment of chaos and uncertainty, where the truth doesn’t matter and lies are contrived and propagated with impunity.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

If someone starts a thread in Politics or another place on the forum, and they use a link to a blog, is that a valid link to proclaim it as a proper news source? Doesn't the forum require a news link in the OP related to the title and purpose of the thread?

Can we get a list of these "valid" news sources ?

Indeed. That should be an hilarious list ...

If someone starts a thread in Politics or another place on the forum, and they use a link to a blog, is that a valid link to proclaim it as a proper news source? Doesn't the forum require a news link in the OP related to the title and purpose of the thread?

Can we get a list of these "valid" news sources ?

Indeed. That should be an hilarious list ...

All we'll get is " CNN IS CREDIBLE CAUSE I SAID SO "

Ive seen idiot leftards on this very board post john oliver as a source

 

[flacaltenn]

No link to a source is required for such threads because no link exists, the thread premise being devoid of fact and merit.

Guess not being a champion of free expression and granting truth only to the professionals must be more popular than I ever imagined.. I don't generalize about the uselessness of "common people's opinion" and in our form of govt, they matter. I could never be that arrogant...

 

[Lewdog]

It takes facts in order to have an opinion on it. Omar was a naturalized citizen at 17. You can't just say you THINK she was a different person and lied about it. You need facts or some kind of source for that, not just something you pull out of thin air.

It's not like a discussion asking who you think the best and worst President is. Or say you think that the citizenship test and requirements should be changed.

Specifically concerning THIS person and this story -- there's enough smoke coming out of "mainstream news"...

For instance, her two apparently simultaneous marriages is a thing. And it seems the purpose might have been to get SOMEONE into the country with a "90 day fiance" marriage...

New documents revisit questions about Rep. Ilhan Omar's marriage history

So -- this is why USMB moderation is not in the business of truth checking.....

That doesn't make her not a U.S. citizen. She was smart NOT to talk about it, because then it just gives it validity, and no mate what she says people are going to continue to believe what they want to believe. So once she denies it once, that's all it takes, no reason to keep talking about it. Did you read the full article? It says the more people looked into it, the less they found. If she misused campaign funds then she should be punished for it, which is more than likely a fine. In this day and age of how easy it is to find information, if people could not find a smoking gun from 2016 to now... then there is none.

But no matter about OTHER claims. There's enough IGNORED elements to her story that reasonable folks DO want to explore... Therefore -- they can explore it on USMB...

It's more than campaign finance violations. THere is potentially IRS fraud and immigration fraud attached to the UN-debunked stories... And those stories are EMBARGOED by the mainstream media....

You're in an age when "appealing to authority" is ill-advised. Because "authority" now has agendas and political baggage.... Applies to the papers, the network "news" and most social media sites. We're not changing.. Period...

They have explored for THREE years and found no smoking gun. How long does it need to be played out? 8 years like birther crap?

Who's they? The whole story has largely been buried nationally.. There's a lot of questions unanswered... Especially in regards to tax and immigration fraud connected with the dual marriage...

It says in the article that conspiracy theory people have been investigating her background since 2016. Her misuse of campaign funds will be just a fine and nothing more.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

no idea

why not?

It takes facts in order to have an opinion on it. Omar was a naturalized citizen at 17. You can't just say you THINK she was a different person and lied about it. You need facts or some kind of source for that, not just something you pull out of thin air.

It's not like a discussion asking who you think the best and worst President is. Or say you think that the citizenship test and requirements should be changed.

Specifically concerning THIS person and this story -- there's enough smoke coming out of "mainstream news"...

For instance, her two apparently simultaneous marriages is a thing. And it seems the purpose might have been to get SOMEONE into the country with a "90 day fiance" marriage...

New documents revisit questions about Rep. Ilhan Omar's marriage history

So -- this is why USMB moderation is not in the business of truth checking.....

That doesn't make her not a U.S. citizen. She was smart NOT to talk about it, because then it just gives it validity, and no mate what she says people are going to continue to believe what they want to believe. So once she denies it once, that's all it takes, no reason to keep talking about it. Did you read the full article? It says the more people looked into it, the less they found. If she misused campaign funds then she should be punished for it, which is more than likely a fine. In this day and age of how easy it is to find information, if people could not find a smoking gun from 2016 to now... then there is none.

But no matter about OTHER claims. There's enough IGNORED elements to her story that reasonable folks DO want to explore... Therefore -- they can explore it on USMB...

It's more than campaign finance violations. THere is potentially IRS fraud and immigration fraud attached to the UN-debunked stories... And those stories are EMBARGOED by the mainstream media....

You're in an age when "appealing to authority" is ill-advised. Because "authority" now has agendas and political baggage.... Applies to the papers, the network "news" and most social media sites. We're not changing.. Period...

They have explored for THREE years and found no smoking gun. How long does it need to be played out? 8 years like birther crap?

And with Trump how long has it been with no actual proof he did anything?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

A blog is a blog. News is news. If someone tries to use a blog as news, I take it with a grain of salt.

"News sources" should be taken with a grain of salt, too. The term is intentionally nebulous, and is mainly used create fake credibility for Government-run media.

Nonsense.

News is considered reliable because it comes from multiple sources, such as the BBC, Reuters, or the AP.

And a news source should be verified as reliable by checking other sources for accuracy.

That's an appeal to popularity fallacy. Multiple different places repeating the same thing doesn't make it so.

I suppose if multiple 'sources' claimed the grass was pink, Clayton wouldn't bother questioning it.

 

[Kat]

You think a blog is a good site to get information of someone saying FACTS? For example the BLOG that said Rep. Omar is not really a U.S. citizen, that she lied about her identity when entering the U.S. It had absolutely no proof to support that, and was just a blog of his opinion.

You decide. We just allow freedom of expression and attempt to get discussions. We are not "fact checkers" or algorithmic filters...

Cool so does this mean Mind Wars can put all her stuff in politics?

Yes – lies, misinformation, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, and rightwing fake news is very much part of our political reality.

Indeed, conservatives use lies, misinformation, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, and fake news as a partisan weapon to advance their agenda and attack their political opponents.

Conservativism flourishes in an environment of chaos and uncertainty, where the truth doesn’t matter and lies are contrived and propagated with impunity.

Yes – lies, misinformation, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, and leftwing fake news is very much part of our political reality.

Indeed, liberals use lies, misinformation, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, and fake news as a partisan weapon to advance their agenda and attack their political opponents.

Liberalism flourishes in an environment of chaos and uncertainty, where the truth doesn’t matter and lies are contrived and propagated with impunity.

 

[Lewdog]

It takes facts in order to have an opinion on it. Omar was a naturalized citizen at 17. You can't just say you THINK she was a different person and lied about it. You need facts or some kind of source for that, not just something you pull out of thin air.

It's not like a discussion asking who you think the best and worst President is. Or say you think that the citizenship test and requirements should be changed.

Specifically concerning THIS person and this story -- there's enough smoke coming out of "mainstream news"...

For instance, her two apparently simultaneous marriages is a thing. And it seems the purpose might have been to get SOMEONE into the country with a "90 day fiance" marriage...

New documents revisit questions about Rep. Ilhan Omar's marriage history

So -- this is why USMB moderation is not in the business of truth checking.....

That doesn't make her not a U.S. citizen. She was smart NOT to talk about it, because then it just gives it validity, and no mate what she says people are going to continue to believe what they want to believe. So once she denies it once, that's all it takes, no reason to keep talking about it. Did you read the full article? It says the more people looked into it, the less they found. If she misused campaign funds then she should be punished for it, which is more than likely a fine. In this day and age of how easy it is to find information, if people could not find a smoking gun from 2016 to now... then there is none.

But no matter about OTHER claims. There's enough IGNORED elements to her story that reasonable folks DO want to explore... Therefore -- they can explore it on USMB...

It's more than campaign finance violations. THere is potentially IRS fraud and immigration fraud attached to the UN-debunked stories... And those stories are EMBARGOED by the mainstream media....

You're in an age when "appealing to authority" is ill-advised. Because "authority" now has agendas and political baggage.... Applies to the papers, the network "news" and most social media sites. We're not changing.. Period...

They have explored for THREE years and found no smoking gun. How long does it need to be played out? 8 years like birther crap?

And with Trump how long has it been with no actual proof he did anything?

Lord have mercy, you still think there is no evidence? Did you look at the released information in the Cohen case in New York???

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

If someone starts a thread in Politics or another place on the forum, and they use a link to a blog, is that a valid link to proclaim it as a proper news source? Doesn't the forum require a news link in the OP related to the title and purpose of the thread?

Blogs are more credible than CNN or MSNBC.

 

[playtime]

i only use & accept sources based on university research level criteria. unbiased valid news outlets, & online citations from sources ending in .org or .gov or .edu

blogs, sources ending in .net or .com & (unless it's already 'general knowledge' ) wikipedia is never to be used as a valid source for anything.

 

[Picaro]

i only use & accept sources based on university research level criteria. unbiased valid news outlets, & online citations from sources ending in .org or .gov or .edu

blogs, sources ending in .net or .com & (unless it's already 'general knowledge' ) .

lol lol lol sure you do ...

 

[playtime]

i only use & accept sources based on university research level criteria. unbiased valid news outlets, & online citations from sources ending in .org or .gov or .edu

blogs, sources ending in .net or .com & (unless it's already 'general knowledge' ) .

lol lol lol sure you do ...

you are free to do any kind of research into any of my posting history & find out. it's allllllllllllllll there & i guarantee you would eat your words.