If a person uses a link to a blog as a NEWS SOURCE is it valid?

[Lewdog]

In Zone 2 the Mods have very often said that unless you provide a link to support your thread they will close it.

Kat WillHaftawaite flacaltenn Dont Taz Me Bro ?

and they use a link to a blog,

He's siting someones opinion.

Opinions don't always need a 'news source'.

So you know what thread brought this question to mind. Saying someone isn't an American citizen and is an illegal immigrant isn't really something you have an opinion about. It takes facts to prove, it isn't subjective, it is objective. There are specific rules in order to become a naturalized citizen.

The reason I tagged you was because the retired poster said that threads about subjects that are objective or real don't require a link.

So you know what thread brought this question to mind.

no idea

Saying someone isn't an American citizen and is an illegal immigrant isn't really something you have an opinion about.

why not?

It takes facts in order to have an opinion on it. Omar was a naturalized citizen at 17. You can't just say you THINK she was a different person and lied about it. You need facts or some kind of source for that, not just something you pull out of thin air.

It's not like a discussion asking who you think the best and worst President is. Or say you think that the citizenship test and requirements should be changed.

It takes facts in order to have an opinion on it.

Since when?

There is objective which means something either is or isn't and unbiased, and there is subjective which means it can contain a bias through opinion. Some subjects, like if Omar is a U.S. citizen or not is not a subjective topic. She either is, or isn't. She became a naturalized citizen through a clear process. The blog was saying she wasn't who she said she was when she applied for refugee status which then led to her becoming a naturalized citizen. That takes PROOF, not opinion. That's like saying in your opinion water isn't wet.

 

[Lewdog]

If someone starts a thread in Politics or another place on the forum, and they use a link to a blog, is that a valid link to proclaim it as a proper news source? Doesn't the forum require a news link in the OP related to the title and purpose of the thread?

It is a valid link, and it can be attacked in debate as an opinion and not a news source...but for purposes here, where a link is required it serves that purpose.

It would be a moderation nightmare if we had to determine what was or was not a proper news source. Plus opinion pieces can give interesting insights to stimulate discussion.

The link literally says it is a blog, not news.

 

[Rigby5]

If someone starts a thread in Politics or another place on the forum, and they use a link to a blog, is that a valid link to proclaim it as a proper news source? Doesn't the forum require a news link in the OP related to the title and purpose of the thread?

There is NO requirement for a link in every thread that is a lie.

In Zone 2 the Mods have very often said that unless you provide a link to support your thread they will close it.

Kat WillHaftawaite flacaltenn Dont Taz Me Bro ?

Whether or not a valid link is needed depends on the type of thread.
For example, if it is a personal opinion threat about something like transgender bathroom use, there would be no need for a link.
There is no controversy over whether or not there is a transgender bathroom issue.
So then you could just post your own opinion.
But if you claimed someone said X, then you should provide a link to prove someone said X, if that is controversial.

With whether or not one properly applied for citizenship, an opinion is not valid. You have to have facts or else it becomes slander. That is because an opinion that is not based on fact would be harmful. You can not claim something bad about someone else unless you have proof that it is true. You can say you don't like pineapple on pizza without proof if you want. But you can't say pineapple is poisonous without proof.

 

[Lewdog]

If someone starts a thread in Politics or another place on the forum, and they use a link to a blog, is that a valid link to proclaim it as a proper news source? Doesn't the forum require a news link in the OP related to the title and purpose of the thread?

There is NO requirement for a link in every thread that is a lie.

In Zone 2 the Mods have very often said that unless you provide a link to support your thread they will close it.

Kat WillHaftawaite flacaltenn Dont Taz Me Bro ?

Whether or not a valid link is needed depends on the type of thread.
For example, if it is a personal opinion threat about something like transgender bathroom use, there would be no need for a link.
There is no controversy over whether or not there is a transgender bathroom issue.
So then you could just post your own opinion.
But if you claimed someone said X, then you should provide a link to prove someone said X, if that is controversial.

With whether or not one properly applied for citizenship, an opinion is not valid. You have to have facts or else it becomes slander. That is because an opinion that is not based on fact would be harmful. You can not claim something bad about someone else unless you have proof that it is true. You can say you don't like pineapple on pizza without proof if you want. But you can't say pineapple is poisonous without proof.

Yes I understand, there is a difference between stating a fact, and a subject where even with supporting evidence there can be varying opinions because there may be conflicting stats or numbers, or even events that contradict each other.

 

[Coyote]

If someone starts a thread in Politics or another place on the forum, and they use a link to a blog, is that a valid link to proclaim it as a proper news source? Doesn't the forum require a news link in the OP related to the title and purpose of the thread?

It is a valid link, and it can be attacked in debate as an opinion and not a news source...but for purposes here, where a link is required it serves that purpose.

It would be a moderation nightmare if we had to determine what was or was not a proper news source. Plus opinion pieces can give interesting insights to stimulate discussion.

The link literally says it is a blog, not news.

But it isn’t against any rules.

 

[Kat]

A blog is a blog. News is news. If someone tries to use a blog as news, I take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Lewdog]

If someone starts a thread in Politics or another place on the forum, and they use a link to a blog, is that a valid link to proclaim it as a proper news source? Doesn't the forum require a news link in the OP related to the title and purpose of the thread?

It is a valid link, and it can be attacked in debate as an opinion and not a news source...but for purposes here, where a link is required it serves that purpose.

It would be a moderation nightmare if we had to determine what was or was not a proper news source. Plus opinion pieces can give interesting insights to stimulate discussion.

The link literally says it is a blog, not news.

But it isn’t against any rules.

Ok so ANY link is ok to use in Zone 2? Even if it is a blog?... and provides zero facts for the subject of the thread? I think it is pretty important to have this stuff fleshed out in order to avoid arguments of bias in enforcement of the rules.

 

[flacaltenn]

If someone starts a thread in Politics or another place on the forum, and they use a link to a blog, is that a valid link to proclaim it as a proper news source? Doesn't the forum require a news link in the OP related to the title and purpose of the thread?

Haven't read thru the replies yet - but this is simple.. Discussion threads CAN BE nothing but opinion or comments on well-known current events. No links or copy/pastes are required. HOWEVER, the topic has to be unique and thought out and not a repetition of comments already appearing in other threads...

Blogs are completely acceptable.. They offer a wider view and analysis than just the "press".. Who are SUPPOSED to be doing straight reporting and background... We even allow personal blogs owned by members if there is no discussion forum on their site...

 

[Pumpkin Row]

A blog is a blog. News is news. If someone tries to use a blog as news, I take it with a grain of salt.

"News sources" should be taken with a grain of salt, too. The term is intentionally nebulous, and is mainly used create fake credibility for Government-run media.

 

[flacaltenn]

A blog is not Associated Press or been at all certified or rated.
You can find a blog on just about anything, with the weirdest views one could imagine.

OR -- find blogs that represent unique and interesting takes on current events and life that major media just doesn't tackle.. It's the leveling of the playing field that technology has enabled... Folks who only find "authority sources" appealing are missing a lot... Journals are the only way to get complete stories and background since the press has chucked it's principles....

 

[Kat]

A blog is a blog. News is news. If someone tries to use a blog as news, I take it with a grain of salt.

"News sources" should be taken with a grain of salt, too. The term is intentionally nebulous, and is mainly used create fake credibility for Government-run media.

Isn't that the truth!

 

[Lewdog]

A blog is not Associated Press or been at all certified or rated.
You can find a blog on just about anything, with the weirdest views one could imagine.

OR -- find blogs that represent unique and interesting takes on current events and life that major media just doesn't tackle.. It's the leveling of the playing field that technology has enabled... Folks who only find "authority sources" appealing are missing a lot... Journals are the only way to get complete stories and background since the press has chucked it's principles....

You think a blog is a good site to get information of someone saying FACTS? For example the BLOG that said Rep. Omar is not really a U.S. citizen, that she lied about her identity when entering the U.S. It had absolutely no proof to support that, and was just a blog of his opinion.

 

[flacaltenn]

There is NO requirement for a link in every thread that is a lie.

In Zone 2 the Mods have very often said that unless you provide a link to support your thread they will close it.

Kat WillHaftawaite flacaltenn Dont Taz Me Bro ?

and they use a link to a blog,

He's siting someones opinion.

Opinions don't always need a 'news source'.

So you know what thread brought this question to mind. Saying someone isn't an American citizen and is an illegal immigrant isn't really something you have an opinion about. It takes facts to prove, it isn't subjective, it is objective. There are specific rules in order to become a naturalized citizen.

The reason I tagged you was because the retired poster said that threads about subjects that are objective or real don't require a link.

So you know what thread brought this question to mind.

no idea

Saying someone isn't an American citizen and is an illegal immigrant isn't really something you have an opinion about.

why not?

It takes facts in order to have an opinion on it. Omar was a naturalized citizen at 17. You can't just say you THINK she was a different person and lied about it. You need facts or some kind of source for that, not just something you pull out of thin air.

It's not like a discussion asking who you think the best and worst President is. Or say you think that the citizenship test and requirements should be changed.

Obviously it doesn't matter to the major media anymore that facts and innocence until proven guilty are important.. We just spent over two years fighting over stories sourced as "un-named senior officials"... AND YET -- those hundreds of squabbles filled 30 page USMB threads...

Facts don't seem to matter to politicians anymore.. You rarely find one relying on that standard... It's up to YOU to determine the truth... Unless you do have a trusted source that doesn't make you look consistently look like an ass because your opinions are based on heresay, innuendo, and crafty political spinning.. Or mutilation of science, math, statistics...

You're DEFENSELESS unless you invest the time to filter your own "facts"....

 

[flacaltenn]

If someone starts a thread in Politics or another place on the forum, and they use a link to a blog, is that a valid link to proclaim it as a proper news source? Doesn't the forum require a news link in the OP related to the title and purpose of the thread?

It is a valid link, and it can be attacked in debate as an opinion and not a news source...but for purposes here, where a link is required it serves that purpose.

It would be a moderation nightmare if we had to determine what was or was not a proper news source. Plus opinion pieces can give interesting insights to stimulate discussion.

The link literally says it is a blog, not news.

So??? Get over it.. Thomas Paine was America's "1st blogger".. His "pamphlets" ran contrary to some reported news but rung TRUER than the "news" coming out of the feuding politicians...

 

[Picaro]

The media has compromised itself with blatant partisanship and fake news, so yes, it's entirely acceptable to use a blog as a source, since the MSM has turned itself into tabloid land. In fact, blogs may be the last refuge for factual news.

 

[Kat]

The media has compromised itself with blatant partisanship and fake news, so yes, it's entirely acceptable to use a blog as a source, since the MSM has turned itself into tabloid land. In fact, blogs may be the last refuge for factual news.

hmmm got a point there.

 

[WheelieAddict]

You are right, but people will get their "news" wherever it bolsters their opinions, and believe almost anything. Even if they are skeptical it is ok if it bolsters their side, and they will repeat the bs

 

[flacaltenn]

You think a blog is a good site to get information of someone saying FACTS? For example the BLOG that said Rep. Omar is not really a U.S. citizen, that she lied about her identity when entering the U.S. It had absolutely no proof to support that, and was just a blog of his opinion.

You decide. We just allow freedom of expression and attempt to get discussions. We are not "fact checkers" or algorithmic filters...

 

[Lewdog]

If someone starts a thread in Politics or another place on the forum, and they use a link to a blog, is that a valid link to proclaim it as a proper news source? Doesn't the forum require a news link in the OP related to the title and purpose of the thread?

It is a valid link, and it can be attacked in debate as an opinion and not a news source...but for purposes here, where a link is required it serves that purpose.

It would be a moderation nightmare if we had to determine what was or was not a proper news source. Plus opinion pieces can give interesting insights to stimulate discussion.

The link literally says it is a blog, not news.

So??? Get over it.. Thomas Paine was America's "1st blogger".. His "pamphlets" ran contrary to some reported news but rung TRUER than the "news" coming out of the feuding politicians...

Really? You are comparing Thomas Paine to some random blogger who write a derogatory, new age birther, blog without ANY evidence whatsoever?

Here we go again... you're all about defending this conspiracy theory idiot bloggers.

 

[Lewdog]

You think a blog is a good site to get information of someone saying FACTS? For example the BLOG that said Rep. Omar is not really a U.S. citizen, that she lied about her identity when entering the U.S. It had absolutely no proof to support that, and was just a blog of his opinion.

You decide. We just allow freedom of expression and attempt to get discussions. We are not "fact checkers" or algorithmic filters...

Cool so does this mean Mind Wars can put all her stuff in politics?