IDF finally breaks silence and speaks out about Israeli atrocities in the OPT

[Lipush]

I've had experiences with these types of soldiers back in the 50s-70s and it still goes on.The soldiers who had a bone to pick would contact "reporters" from the National Enquirer and lay out all the injustice and mis-treatment they had witnessed or endured. What never was revealed was the soldiers history: Slackers, mal-contents, troublemakers, inferior soldiers,etc, etc. Usually the types who wound up with Bad Conduct, Undesirable or Dishonorable discharges.People who went AWOL, were deserters, faked injuries and illness. The list goes on and on and on. When their "story" gets publicity it would sometimes get a Congressional investigation or inquiry and usually wind up as discussion fodder at the Happy Hour in the clubs.Yep, we know what kind os "soldiers' we're dealing with here. And the un-washed just lap it up.

If you can't prove what they said is wrong, you discredit the source.

I haven't discredited the source. However a reliable newspaper such as the Wall Street Journal, Washington Times and others would have delved into the conduct of the soldiers involved. There are two sides to every story and so far we've only heard one. Let's have a list of credentials of the squealers and then we can determine who is right. One thing is certain; if you have a problem in the military there are procedures to follow. These soldiers didn't follow proper procedures. Getting my drift? These soldiers have some explaining to do to their boss.

 

[Lipush]

People who make excuses for Israeli war crimes.

Now you're being rude.

Since when telling your side of the story considered "making excuses for war crimes"?

See? I cannot possibly have a normal discussion with you because you simply refuse to listen to anything from the Israeli side.

Whenever you have said anything true, I have agreed with you. Other times, I accepted the fact that we disagreed on an issue and neither one of us was wrong. But regarding issues where you say things that are simply ridiculous, I cannot in good concience let it go, or respond with some pollyanna post. When occasions like that pop up, the best thing for me to do for you, is to be quite honest about what I'm saying.

Let me make this perfectly clear, there is no side of your story, when it comes to the brutal treatment your government takes towards the Palestinian's. There is no justification for 45 years of occupation and tyranny towards the Palestinian's and their land. And when you indicate things like "the occupation isn't the cause of the hostility", you're saying something that it is not even based in reality.

Another one of your comments, is the claim that Gaza isn't occupied. My response to that is two words, Rachael Corrie. If Gaza wasn't occupied, then how the fuck did she die?

She was run over, I don't understand the question.

I have said before, Gaza is not occupied, it's under blockade. it's blocked from the OUTSIDE. not from the INSIDE. There are no Jews, soldiers, or civilians, inside the Gaza strip. That was the whole point of the disangagement.

Why did she die? She protested the Israeli policy and died doing so. that's the answer. But that doesn't mean that her protest was all true and justified, IMO, and in many others'.

The Rafah gate is open at many times to convery and pass goods from Egypt to the strip, so between Egypt and Gaza there is no blockade. That doesn't stop the flotillas from claiming that Gaza is under starvation, even though it's clear the people are not starving. So why are there flotillas? Because it's well printed, if you ask me. People like to hear about bravery of "peace activists" though they hold nothing peacefull, we saw how peaceful where the Marmara activists.

As for your other claims, occupation. Well, As far as I'm concered, and many other israelis, we can discuss borders and agree on them, but why don't we find people to talk to about those borders?

Hamas is not interested in what we have to say, and Hamas is the leadership. Hamas' will is one, to make Israel DISAPPEAR. As much as you'd like to twist that Around, that's a fact you cannot overlook. So tell me, with who can we discuss the "occupation" with? What will be the result of such discussion? Will it secure that no war crimes will be committed from Palestinians against Jews worldwide?

 

[irosie91]

Lipush gaza is not starving----- the atrocity is that Israel exists and when muslims do not have their unrestrained obscenely barbaric CALIPHATE in place------they lose their appetites

 

[P F Tinmore]

Now you're being rude.

Since when telling your side of the story considered "making excuses for war crimes"?

See? I cannot possibly have a normal discussion with you because you simply refuse to listen to anything from the Israeli side.

Whenever you have said anything true, I have agreed with you. Other times, I accepted the fact that we disagreed on an issue and neither one of us was wrong. But regarding issues where you say things that are simply ridiculous, I cannot in good concience let it go, or respond with some pollyanna post. When occasions like that pop up, the best thing for me to do for you, is to be quite honest about what I'm saying.

Let me make this perfectly clear, there is no side of your story, when it comes to the brutal treatment your government takes towards the Palestinian's. There is no justification for 45 years of occupation and tyranny towards the Palestinian's and their land. And when you indicate things like "the occupation isn't the cause of the hostility", you're saying something that it is not even based in reality.

Another one of your comments, is the claim that Gaza isn't occupied. My response to that is two words, Rachael Corrie. If Gaza wasn't occupied, then how the fuck did she die?

She was run over, I don't understand the question.

I have said before, Gaza is not occupied, it's under blockade. it's blocked from the OUTSIDE. not from the INSIDE. There are no Jews, soldiers, or civilians, inside the Gaza strip. That was the whole point of the disangagement.

Why did she die? She protested the Israeli policy and died doing so. that's the answer. But that doesn't mean that her protest was all true and justified, IMO, and in many others'.

The Rafah gate is open at many times to convery and pass goods from Egypt to the strip, so between Egypt and Gaza there is no blockade. That doesn't stop the flotillas from claiming that Gaza is under starvation, even though it's clear the people are not starving. So why are there flotillas? Because it's well printed, if you ask me. People like to hear about bravery of "peace activists" though they hold nothing peacefull, we saw how peaceful where the Marmara activists.

As for your other claims, occupation. Well, As far as I'm concered, and many other israelis, we can discuss borders and agree on them, but why don't we find people to talk to about those borders?

Hamas is not interested in what we have to say, and Hamas is the leadership. Hamas' will is one, to make Israel DISAPPEAR. As much as you'd like to twist that Around, that's a fact you cannot overlook. So tell me, with who can we discuss the "occupation" with? What will be the result of such discussion? Will it secure that no war crimes will be committed from Palestinians against Jews worldwide?

Hamas is not interested in what we have to say, and Hamas is the leadership.

Hamas is the elected leadership of Palestine.

Why does Israel insist on talking to people who have no authority to make a deal?

 

[sealadaigh]

I've had experiences with these types of soldiers back in the 50s-70s and it still goes on.The soldiers who had a bone to pick would contact "reporters" from the National Enquirer and lay out all the injustice and mis-treatment they had witnessed or endured. What never was revealed was the soldiers history: Slackers, mal-contents, troublemakers, inferior soldiers,etc, etc. Usually the types who wound up with Bad Conduct, Undesirable or Dishonorable discharges.People who went AWOL, were deserters, faked injuries and illness. The list goes on and on and on. When their "story" gets publicity it would sometimes get a Congressional investigation or inquiry and usually wind up as discussion fodder at the Happy Hour in the clubs.Yep, we know what kind os "soldiers' we're dealing with here. And the un-washed just lap it up.

Charlie Co. 1st Bn, 20th Inf Rgt. 11th Bde. 23rd Inf Div...aka...well, you know the rest.

thank you...
hugh thompson
glen andreotta
larry colburn

 

[sealadaigh]

I've had experiences with these types of soldiers back in the 50s-70s and it still goes on.The soldiers who had a bone to pick would contact "reporters" from the National Enquirer and lay out all the injustice and mis-treatment they had witnessed or endured. What never was revealed was the soldiers history: Slackers, mal-contents, troublemakers, inferior soldiers,etc, etc. Usually the types who wound up with Bad Conduct, Undesirable or Dishonorable discharges.People who went AWOL, were deserters, faked injuries and illness. The list goes on and on and on. When their "story" gets publicity it would sometimes get a Congressional investigation or inquiry and usually wind up as discussion fodder at the Happy Hour in the clubs.Yep, we know what kind os "soldiers' we're dealing with here. And the un-washed just lap it up.

If you can't prove what they said is wrong, you discredit the source.

I haven't discredited the source. However a reliable newspaper such as the Wall Street Journal, Washington Times and others would have delved into the conduct of the soldiers involved. There are two sides to every story and so far we've only heard one. Let's have a list of credentials of the squealers and then we can determine who is right. One thing is certain; if you have a problem in the military there are procedures to follow. These soldiers didn't follow proper procedures. Getting my drift? These soldiers have some explaining to do to their boss.

eichmann, himmler, and mengele followed proper procedures.
get my drift?

 

[Hossfly]

If you can't prove what they said is wrong, you discredit the source.

I haven't discredited the source. However a reliable newspaper such as the Wall Street Journal, Washington Times and others would have delved into the conduct of the soldiers involved. There are two sides to every story and so far we've only heard one. Let's have a list of credentials of the squealers and then we can determine who is right. One thing is certain; if you have a problem in the military there are procedures to follow. These soldiers didn't follow proper procedures. Getting my drift? These soldiers have some explaining to do to their boss.

eichmann, himmler, and mengele followed proper procedures.
get my drift?

No.

 

[docmauser1]

They are also "eye-witnesses".

Foreign-funded, which makes them bullshitters, of course.

 

[Lipush]

Whenever you have said anything true, I have agreed with you. Other times, I accepted the fact that we disagreed on an issue and neither one of us was wrong. But regarding issues where you say things that are simply ridiculous, I cannot in good concience let it go, or respond with some pollyanna post. When occasions like that pop up, the best thing for me to do for you, is to be quite honest about what I'm saying.

Let me make this perfectly clear, there is no side of your story, when it comes to the brutal treatment your government takes towards the Palestinian's. There is no justification for 45 years of occupation and tyranny towards the Palestinian's and their land. And when you indicate things like "the occupation isn't the cause of the hostility", you're saying something that it is not even based in reality.

Another one of your comments, is the claim that Gaza isn't occupied. My response to that is two words, Rachael Corrie. If Gaza wasn't occupied, then how the fuck did she die?

She was run over, I don't understand the question.

I have said before, Gaza is not occupied, it's under blockade. it's blocked from the OUTSIDE. not from the INSIDE. There are no Jews, soldiers, or civilians, inside the Gaza strip. That was the whole point of the disangagement.

Why did she die? She protested the Israeli policy and died doing so. that's the answer. But that doesn't mean that her protest was all true and justified, IMO, and in many others'.

The Rafah gate is open at many times to convery and pass goods from Egypt to the strip, so between Egypt and Gaza there is no blockade. That doesn't stop the flotillas from claiming that Gaza is under starvation, even though it's clear the people are not starving. So why are there flotillas? Because it's well printed, if you ask me. People like to hear about bravery of "peace activists" though they hold nothing peacefull, we saw how peaceful where the Marmara activists.

As for your other claims, occupation. Well, As far as I'm concered, and many other israelis, we can discuss borders and agree on them, but why don't we find people to talk to about those borders?

Hamas is not interested in what we have to say, and Hamas is the leadership. Hamas' will is one, to make Israel DISAPPEAR. As much as you'd like to twist that Around, that's a fact you cannot overlook. So tell me, with who can we discuss the "occupation" with? What will be the result of such discussion? Will it secure that no war crimes will be committed from Palestinians against Jews worldwide?

Hamas is not interested in what we have to say, and Hamas is the leadership.

Hamas is the elected leadership of Palestine.

Why does Israel insist on talking to people who have no authority to make a deal?

How do you talk with someone who's only interested in a deal that brings out your death and destruction?

You Pro-Palis got to be kidding to think Israel can deal with Hamas.

 

[Billo_Really]

She was run over, I don't understand the question.

I have said before, Gaza is not occupied, it's under blockade. it's blocked from the OUTSIDE. not from the INSIDE. There are no Jews, soldiers, or civilians, inside the Gaza strip. That was the whole point of the disangagement.

This is what I mean, when I refer to things you say that are not based in reality. You say there are no soldiers inside the Gaza strip, yet who was driving the bulldozer? It was the IDF! You cannot be inside Gaza and outside Gaza, at the same time. Your statement is ridiculous. Unless, of coarse, you're using quantum physics, which then, allow you to be in two places at the same time.

Why did she die? She protested the Israeli policy and died doing so. that's the answer. But that doesn't mean that her protest was all true and justified, IMO, and in many others'.

My, how you are so cavalier in referring to protests of Israel to be a "capital crime". You say it in the same vain as the nazis', "what's wrong with killing jews?"

Of coarse her protest was justified. The bulldozer, the IDF soldier who drove it and and his intent to destroy someone's home, "inside Gaza", where he had no legal right to be, is prima facia evidence her protest was justified.

The Rafah gate is open at many times to convery and pass goods from Egypt to the strip, so between Egypt and Gaza there is no blockade. That doesn't stop the flotillas from claiming that Gaza is under starvation, even though it's clear the people are not starving. So why are there flotillas? Because it's well printed, if you ask me. People like to hear about bravery of "peace activists" though they hold nothing peacefull, we saw how peaceful where the Marmara activists.

Are you referring to the phoney and fraudelant video Israel concocted using a different ship to give the illusion of passenger violence?




When you're so braizen with your lies, I don't know why I'm even nice to you at all.

Here's the video explaining your staged violence and actual footage of the IDF executing an American citizen for being in possession of illegal food.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufZkZIrsKFU]Flotilla raid Israeli myths debunked - YouTube[/ame]

As for your other claims, occupation. Well, As far as I'm concered, and many other israelis, we can discuss borders and agree on them, but why don't we find people to talk to about those borders?

There's nothing to talk about, when it comes to the occupation. You simply need to end it! You don't have to talk to anyone, because this is not negotiatable. Occupations are always temporary, never permanent. You cannot aquire land by force. Period.

Hamas is not interested in what we have to say, and Hamas is the leadership. Hamas' will is one, to make Israel DISAPPEAR. As much as you'd like to twist that Around, that's a fact you cannot overlook. So tell me, with who can we discuss the "occupation" with? What will be the result of such discussion? Will it secure that no war crimes will be committed from Palestinians against Jews worldwide?

Hamas has said several times they're willing to accept a two-state solution, yet you keep acting like they never said it.

 

[Billo_Really]

I haven't discredited the source..

You haven't?

What never was revealed was the soldiers history: Slackers, mal-contents, troublemakers, inferior soldiers,etc, etc. Usually the types who wound up with Bad Conduct, Undesirable or Dishonorable discharges.People who went AWOL, were deserters, faked injuries and illness. The list goes on and on and on...

Are you actually complimenting them, with your statement above?

And what makes you think the soldiers who made those comments are part of the group you descibed?

 

[Billo_Really]

No.

Much like a neutered dog, you don't get it, do you?

 

[Billo_Really]

Foreign-funded, which makes them bullshitters, of course.

And your proof of this is where?

 

[Hossfly]

No.

Much like a neutered dog, you don't get it, do you?

Actually, no.

 

[Hossfly]

I haven't discredited the source..

You haven't?

What never was revealed was the soldiers history: Slackers, mal-contents, troublemakers, inferior soldiers,etc, etc. Usually the types who wound up with Bad Conduct, Undesirable or Dishonorable discharges.People who went AWOL, were deserters, faked injuries and illness. The list goes on and on and on...

Are you actually complimenting them, with your statement above?

And what makes you think the soldiers who made those comments are part of the group you descibed?

I was a soldier half my life. I know soldiers. And these soldiers would fit easily into that category.

 

[Billo_Really]

I was a soldier half my life. I know soldiers. And these soldiers would fit easily into that category.

So you have no proof.

I'll still give you the benefit of the doubt and say the jury is still out on this one.

 

[Sundowner47]

What is "Israeli apologists"?

People who make excuses for Israeli war crimes.

Now you're being rude.

Since when telling your side of the story considered "making excuses for war crimes"?

See? I cannot possibly have a normal discussion with you because you simply refuse to listen to anything from the Israeli side.

Perhaps because the "Israeli side" is fraught with lies...lies...lies, and more lies...when you moral hypocrites allow even a tiny ray of truth to penetrate your brazen sense of blanket denial there might be room for dialogue, but when you field every charge against Israel with "antisemite" or "IslamoNazi"...the exercise becomes futile...

 

[SAYIT]

IDF soldiers can no longer be silent about the atrocities Israel is committing against the Palestinian's. Israel's actions are so inhuman, you have to go back to Hitlers Germany to find anything comparable.

Israeli Soldiers Break Silence

Breaking the Silence (BTS) is an organization comprised of Israeli combat veterans. They served since the start of the second Intifada. They refuse any longer to stay silent.

Their testimonies expose "the reality of everyday life in the Occupied Territories." Their purpose is to stimulate public debate. They revealed abuses too gruesome to hide.

They include "looting and destruction of property." Many other crimes and abuses are much worse. In their own words, they reveal the deplorable immorality of Israel's militarized occupation.

Most Israelis ignore it. They turn a blind eye to what's done in their name. "In order to become civilians again, soldiers are (also) forced to ignore what they have seen and done."

BTS members have been revealing disturbing truths for years. A previous article discussed them, saying:

"We, reserve officers and soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF)....have always served in the front lines" (We) were first to carry out any mission, light or heavy, (and we did it) to protect the State of Israel and strengthen it."

"We....served....long weeks every year, in spite of dear cost to our personal lives, have been on reserve duty all over the Occupied Territories, and were issued commands and directives that had nothing to do with the security of our country (but were only given to perpetuate) our control over the Palestinian people."

"We('ve)....seen the bloody toll this Occupation exacts from both sides."

"The commands issued to us in the Territories (have) destroy(ed) all the values (we learned) growing up in this country."

"The (way) the Occupation (undermines the) IDF's human character and (exposes) the corruption of the entire Israeli society."

"We....know that the Territories are not Israel, and that all settlements are bound to be evacuated in the end."

"We hereby declare that we shall not continue to fight this War of the Settlements."

"We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people."

"We hereby declare that we shall continue serving the Israel Defense Forces in any mission that serves Israel's defense."

"The missions of occupation and oppression do not serve this purpose - and we shall take no part in them."​

Women soldiers also speak out. Their testimonies match their male counterparts. They condemn the corrupt state of Israel's military. They want no further part of horrific crimes committed in their name.

You can't get any more credible a source than the "boots on the ground", who were burdened with carrying out immoral and illegal orders from the Knesset.

All I can say is, thank God there is some humanity left in that country!

After dealing with all the zionist assholes at this website on a daily basis, these soldiers are a breath of fresh air.
Sorry Lipbush, you're not included in this one.

And to all my Roudy friends who make up the USMB "Zionist Fucker Club", you're still a bunch of assholes and are now confirmed liars, according to the IDF.

Finally? That article is over 4 years old and your link to it doesn't work. As I recall the story was about a bunch of "refuseniks" who didn't want to serve.

 

[Sundowner47]

"over four years old"....hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha OMG!!!!!!!! MY FKG STOMACH HURTS FROM LAUGHING....

 

[Billo_Really]

Finally? That article is over 4 years old and your link to it doesn't work. As I recall the story was about a bunch of "refuseniks" who didn't want to serve.

They redesigned their website and I can't get the link back.

Here's another one that's just as good.