I Welcome the Return of a Planet to Our Solar System

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Settled science.
Pluto was the only planet discovered by an American; so I blame anti-Americanism for all the anti-Plutoism.

Perspective | Yes, Pluto is a planet

The process for redefining planet was deeply flawed and widely criticized even by those who accepted the outcome. At the 2006 IAU conference, which was held in Prague, the few scientists remaining at the very end of the week-long meeting (less than 4 percent of the world’s astronomers and even a smaller percentage of the world’s planetary scientists) ratified a hastily drawn definition that contains obvious flaws. For one thing, it defines a planet as an object orbiting around our sun — thereby disqualifying the planets around other stars, ignoring the exoplanet revolution, and decreeing that essentially all the planets in the universe are not, in fact, planets.

Even within our solar system, the IAU scientists defined “planet” in a strange way, declaring that if an orbiting world has “cleared its zone,” or thrown its weight around enough to eject all other nearby objects, it is a planet. Otherwise it is not. This criterion is imprecise and leaves many borderline cases, but what’s worse is that they chose a definition that discounts the actual physical properties of a potential planet, electing instead to define “planet” in terms of the other objects that are — or are not — orbiting nearby. This leads to many bizarre and absurd conclusions. For example, it would mean that Earth was not a planet for its first 500 million years of history, because it orbited among a swarm of debris until that time, and also that if you took Earth today and moved it somewhere else, say out to the asteroid belt, it would cease being a planet.

To add insult to injury, they amended their convoluted definition with the vindictive and linguistically paradoxical statement that “a dwarf planet is not a planet.” This seemingly served no purpose but to satisfy those motivated by a desire — for whatever reason — to ensure that Pluto was “demoted” by the new definition.
 
Settled science.
Pluto was the only planet discovered by an American; so I blame anti-Americanism for all the anti-Plutoism.

Perspective | Yes, Pluto is a planet

The process for redefining planet was deeply flawed and widely criticized even by those who accepted the outcome. At the 2006 IAU conference, which was held in Prague, the few scientists remaining at the very end of the week-long meeting (less than 4 percent of the world’s astronomers and even a smaller percentage of the world’s planetary scientists) ratified a hastily drawn definition that contains obvious flaws. For one thing, it defines a planet as an object orbiting around our sun — thereby disqualifying the planets around other stars, ignoring the exoplanet revolution, and decreeing that essentially all the planets in the universe are not, in fact, planets.

Even within our solar system, the IAU scientists defined “planet” in a strange way, declaring that if an orbiting world has “cleared its zone,” or thrown its weight around enough to eject all other nearby objects, it is a planet. Otherwise it is not. This criterion is imprecise and leaves many borderline cases, but what’s worse is that they chose a definition that discounts the actual physical properties of a potential planet, electing instead to define “planet” in terms of the other objects that are — or are not — orbiting nearby. This leads to many bizarre and absurd conclusions. For example, it would mean that Earth was not a planet for its first 500 million years of history, because it orbited among a swarm of debris until that time, and also that if you took Earth today and moved it somewhere else, say out to the asteroid belt, it would cease being a planet.

To add insult to injury, they amended their convoluted definition with the vindictive and linguistically paradoxical statement that “a dwarf planet is not a planet.” This seemingly served no purpose but to satisfy those motivated by a desire — for whatever reason — to ensure that Pluto was “demoted” by the new definition.
Lol is that satire? Conservative grievance warriors dabbling in science now? :laugh:
 
Settled science.
Pluto was the only planet discovered by an American; so I blame anti-Americanism for all the anti-Plutoism.

Perspective | Yes, Pluto is a planet

The process for redefining planet was deeply flawed and widely criticized even by those who accepted the outcome. At the 2006 IAU conference, which was held in Prague, the few scientists remaining at the very end of the week-long meeting (less than 4 percent of the world’s astronomers and even a smaller percentage of the world’s planetary scientists) ratified a hastily drawn definition that contains obvious flaws. For one thing, it defines a planet as an object orbiting around our sun — thereby disqualifying the planets around other stars, ignoring the exoplanet revolution, and decreeing that essentially all the planets in the universe are not, in fact, planets.

Even within our solar system, the IAU scientists defined “planet” in a strange way, declaring that if an orbiting world has “cleared its zone,” or thrown its weight around enough to eject all other nearby objects, it is a planet. Otherwise it is not. This criterion is imprecise and leaves many borderline cases, but what’s worse is that they chose a definition that discounts the actual physical properties of a potential planet, electing instead to define “planet” in terms of the other objects that are — or are not — orbiting nearby. This leads to many bizarre and absurd conclusions. For example, it would mean that Earth was not a planet for its first 500 million years of history, because it orbited among a swarm of debris until that time, and also that if you took Earth today and moved it somewhere else, say out to the asteroid belt, it would cease being a planet.

To add insult to injury, they amended their convoluted definition with the vindictive and linguistically paradoxical statement that “a dwarf planet is not a planet.” This seemingly served no purpose but to satisfy those motivated by a desire — for whatever reason — to ensure that Pluto was “demoted” by the new definition.
Lol is that satire? Conservative grievance warriors dabbling in science now? :laugh:
Yeah, the story is from the ultra conservative Washington Post........... :eusa_whistle:

:lol:
 
Settled science.
Pluto was the only planet discovered by an American; so I blame anti-Americanism for all the anti-Plutoism.

Perspective | Yes, Pluto is a planet

The process for redefining planet was deeply flawed and widely criticized even by those who accepted the outcome. At the 2006 IAU conference, which was held in Prague, the few scientists remaining at the very end of the week-long meeting (less than 4 percent of the world’s astronomers and even a smaller percentage of the world’s planetary scientists) ratified a hastily drawn definition that contains obvious flaws. For one thing, it defines a planet as an object orbiting around our sun — thereby disqualifying the planets around other stars, ignoring the exoplanet revolution, and decreeing that essentially all the planets in the universe are not, in fact, planets.

Even within our solar system, the IAU scientists defined “planet” in a strange way, declaring that if an orbiting world has “cleared its zone,” or thrown its weight around enough to eject all other nearby objects, it is a planet. Otherwise it is not. This criterion is imprecise and leaves many borderline cases, but what’s worse is that they chose a definition that discounts the actual physical properties of a potential planet, electing instead to define “planet” in terms of the other objects that are — or are not — orbiting nearby. This leads to many bizarre and absurd conclusions. For example, it would mean that Earth was not a planet for its first 500 million years of history, because it orbited among a swarm of debris until that time, and also that if you took Earth today and moved it somewhere else, say out to the asteroid belt, it would cease being a planet.

To add insult to injury, they amended their convoluted definition with the vindictive and linguistically paradoxical statement that “a dwarf planet is not a planet.” This seemingly served no purpose but to satisfy those motivated by a desire — for whatever reason — to ensure that Pluto was “demoted” by the new definition.
Lol is that satire? Conservative grievance warriors dabbling in science now? :laugh:
Yeah, the story is from the ultra conservative Washington Post........... :eusa_whistle:

:lol:
So?
 
Settled science.
Pluto was the only planet discovered by an American; so I blame anti-Americanism for all the anti-Plutoism.

Perspective | Yes, Pluto is a planet

The process for redefining planet was deeply flawed and widely criticized even by those who accepted the outcome. At the 2006 IAU conference, which was held in Prague, the few scientists remaining at the very end of the week-long meeting (less than 4 percent of the world’s astronomers and even a smaller percentage of the world’s planetary scientists) ratified a hastily drawn definition that contains obvious flaws. For one thing, it defines a planet as an object orbiting around our sun — thereby disqualifying the planets around other stars, ignoring the exoplanet revolution, and decreeing that essentially all the planets in the universe are not, in fact, planets.

Even within our solar system, the IAU scientists defined “planet” in a strange way, declaring that if an orbiting world has “cleared its zone,” or thrown its weight around enough to eject all other nearby objects, it is a planet. Otherwise it is not. This criterion is imprecise and leaves many borderline cases, but what’s worse is that they chose a definition that discounts the actual physical properties of a potential planet, electing instead to define “planet” in terms of the other objects that are — or are not — orbiting nearby. This leads to many bizarre and absurd conclusions. For example, it would mean that Earth was not a planet for its first 500 million years of history, because it orbited among a swarm of debris until that time, and also that if you took Earth today and moved it somewhere else, say out to the asteroid belt, it would cease being a planet.

To add insult to injury, they amended their convoluted definition with the vindictive and linguistically paradoxical statement that “a dwarf planet is not a planet.” This seemingly served no purpose but to satisfy those motivated by a desire — for whatever reason — to ensure that Pluto was “demoted” by the new definition.
Lol is that satire? Conservative grievance warriors dabbling in science now? :laugh:
Yeah, the story is from the ultra conservative Washington Post........... :eusa_whistle:

:lol:
So?
Probably didn't even read it besides, the Washington Post is anything but conservative......... But don't let that fact interfere with your "conservatives are evil anti-science" mantra....... :rofl:
 
anything I learned whist in the FOURTH GRADE-----is true. ---nine years old is the
age of UNDERSTANDING """"Mary's Violet Eyes Make Johnny Sit Up Nights Pining """
Mercury Venus Earth Mars Jupiter Saturn Uranus Neptune Pluto
PROOF POSITIVE!!!!!!!
 
Settled science.
Pluto was the only planet discovered by an American; so I blame anti-Americanism for all the anti-Plutoism.

Perspective | Yes, Pluto is a planet

The process for redefining planet was deeply flawed and widely criticized even by those who accepted the outcome. At the 2006 IAU conference, which was held in Prague, the few scientists remaining at the very end of the week-long meeting (less than 4 percent of the world’s astronomers and even a smaller percentage of the world’s planetary scientists) ratified a hastily drawn definition that contains obvious flaws. For one thing, it defines a planet as an object orbiting around our sun — thereby disqualifying the planets around other stars, ignoring the exoplanet revolution, and decreeing that essentially all the planets in the universe are not, in fact, planets.

Even within our solar system, the IAU scientists defined “planet” in a strange way, declaring that if an orbiting world has “cleared its zone,” or thrown its weight around enough to eject all other nearby objects, it is a planet. Otherwise it is not. This criterion is imprecise and leaves many borderline cases, but what’s worse is that they chose a definition that discounts the actual physical properties of a potential planet, electing instead to define “planet” in terms of the other objects that are — or are not — orbiting nearby. This leads to many bizarre and absurd conclusions. For example, it would mean that Earth was not a planet for its first 500 million years of history, because it orbited among a swarm of debris until that time, and also that if you took Earth today and moved it somewhere else, say out to the asteroid belt, it would cease being a planet.

To add insult to injury, they amended their convoluted definition with the vindictive and linguistically paradoxical statement that “a dwarf planet is not a planet.” This seemingly served no purpose but to satisfy those motivated by a desire — for whatever reason — to ensure that Pluto was “demoted” by the new definition.
Lol is that satire? Conservative grievance warriors dabbling in science now? :laugh:
Yeah, the story is from the ultra conservative Washington Post........... :eusa_whistle:

:lol:
So?
Probably didn't even read it besides, the Washington Post is anything but conservative......... But don't let that fact interfere with your "conservatives are evil anti-science" mantra....... :rofl:
Did you not read the OP and his grievance? :cuckoo:
 
Settled science.
Pluto was the only planet discovered by an American; so I blame anti-Americanism for all the anti-Plutoism.

Perspective | Yes, Pluto is a planet

The process for redefining planet was deeply flawed and widely criticized even by those who accepted the outcome. At the 2006 IAU conference, which was held in Prague, the few scientists remaining at the very end of the week-long meeting (less than 4 percent of the world’s astronomers and even a smaller percentage of the world’s planetary scientists) ratified a hastily drawn definition that contains obvious flaws. For one thing, it defines a planet as an object orbiting around our sun — thereby disqualifying the planets around other stars, ignoring the exoplanet revolution, and decreeing that essentially all the planets in the universe are not, in fact, planets.

Even within our solar system, the IAU scientists defined “planet” in a strange way, declaring that if an orbiting world has “cleared its zone,” or thrown its weight around enough to eject all other nearby objects, it is a planet. Otherwise it is not. This criterion is imprecise and leaves many borderline cases, but what’s worse is that they chose a definition that discounts the actual physical properties of a potential planet, electing instead to define “planet” in terms of the other objects that are — or are not — orbiting nearby. This leads to many bizarre and absurd conclusions. For example, it would mean that Earth was not a planet for its first 500 million years of history, because it orbited among a swarm of debris until that time, and also that if you took Earth today and moved it somewhere else, say out to the asteroid belt, it would cease being a planet.

To add insult to injury, they amended their convoluted definition with the vindictive and linguistically paradoxical statement that “a dwarf planet is not a planet.” This seemingly served no purpose but to satisfy those motivated by a desire — for whatever reason — to ensure that Pluto was “demoted” by the new definition.
Lol is that satire? Conservative grievance warriors dabbling in science now? :laugh:
Yeah, the story is from the ultra conservative Washington Post........... :eusa_whistle:

:lol:
So?
Probably didn't even read it besides, the Washington Post is anything but conservative......... But don't let that fact interfere with your "conservatives are evil anti-science" mantra....... :rofl:
Did you not read the OP and his grievance? :cuckoo:
The OP is as nutty right as you are nutty left, so?
 
Lol is that satire? Conservative grievance warriors dabbling in science now? :laugh:
Yeah, the story is from the ultra conservative Washington Post........... :eusa_whistle:

:lol:
So?
Probably didn't even read it besides, the Washington Post is anything but conservative......... But don't let that fact interfere with your "conservatives are evil anti-science" mantra....... :rofl:
Did you not read the OP and his grievance? :cuckoo:
The OP is as nutty right as you are nutty left, so?
Yeah because I’m complaing about dwarf planets... :itsok:
 
Yeah, the story is from the ultra conservative Washington Post........... :eusa_whistle:

:lol:
So?
Probably didn't even read it besides, the Washington Post is anything but conservative......... But don't let that fact interfere with your "conservatives are evil anti-science" mantra....... :rofl:
Did you not read the OP and his grievance? :cuckoo:
The OP is as nutty right as you are nutty left, so?
Yeah because I’m complaing about dwarf planets... :itsok:
That's what you're doing? If you say so....... :lol:
 
Settled science.
Pluto was the only planet discovered by an American; so I blame anti-Americanism for all the anti-Plutoism.

Perspective | Yes, Pluto is a planet

The process for redefining planet was deeply flawed and widely criticized even by those who accepted the outcome. At the 2006 IAU conference, which was held in Prague, the few scientists remaining at the very end of the week-long meeting (less than 4 percent of the world’s astronomers and even a smaller percentage of the world’s planetary scientists) ratified a hastily drawn definition that contains obvious flaws. For one thing, it defines a planet as an object orbiting around our sun — thereby disqualifying the planets around other stars, ignoring the exoplanet revolution, and decreeing that essentially all the planets in the universe are not, in fact, planets.

Even within our solar system, the IAU scientists defined “planet” in a strange way, declaring that if an orbiting world has “cleared its zone,” or thrown its weight around enough to eject all other nearby objects, it is a planet. Otherwise it is not. This criterion is imprecise and leaves many borderline cases, but what’s worse is that they chose a definition that discounts the actual physical properties of a potential planet, electing instead to define “planet” in terms of the other objects that are — or are not — orbiting nearby. This leads to many bizarre and absurd conclusions. For example, it would mean that Earth was not a planet for its first 500 million years of history, because it orbited among a swarm of debris until that time, and also that if you took Earth today and moved it somewhere else, say out to the asteroid belt, it would cease being a planet.

To add insult to injury, they amended their convoluted definition with the vindictive and linguistically paradoxical statement that “a dwarf planet is not a planet.” This seemingly served no purpose but to satisfy those motivated by a desire — for whatever reason — to ensure that Pluto was “demoted” by the new definition.
so I blame anti-Americanism for all the anti-Plutoism.

You forgot to take your anti-idiot medication this morning, didn'tcha..........
 
What the Telescope Tells

In order to ensure the free flow of plutonium at market prices, we cannot let the situation on Pluto stand. Our military will quickly accomplish its mission of putting an end to the Plutonian sectarian violence. Like Gaul, this is divided into three parts: (1) Plutolings who think their object is a planet, (2) those who think it is an asteroid-type object, and (3) those who think it is Mickey Mouse's dog.
 
Settled science.
Pluto was the only planet discovered by an American; so I blame anti-Americanism for all the anti-Plutoism.


Wrong. Pluto is now understood to be but one of a family of many dwarf planets or planetisimos. Also known as a KBO. Pluto does not clear out its vicinity of other bodies.

The solar system consists of EIGHT planets:

the four inner rocky planets, two outer gas giants and two outer ice giants.
 
Settled science.
Pluto was the only planet discovered by an American; so I blame anti-Americanism for all the anti-Plutoism.

Perspective | Yes, Pluto is a planet

The process for redefining planet was deeply flawed and widely criticized even by those who accepted the outcome. At the 2006 IAU conference, which was held in Prague, the few scientists remaining at the very end of the week-long meeting (less than 4 percent of the world’s astronomers and even a smaller percentage of the world’s planetary scientists) ratified a hastily drawn definition that contains obvious flaws. For one thing, it defines a planet as an object orbiting around our sun — thereby disqualifying the planets around other stars, ignoring the exoplanet revolution, and decreeing that essentially all the planets in the universe are not, in fact, planets.

Even within our solar system, the IAU scientists defined “planet” in a strange way, declaring that if an orbiting world has “cleared its zone,” or thrown its weight around enough to eject all other nearby objects, it is a planet. Otherwise it is not. This criterion is imprecise and leaves many borderline cases, but what’s worse is that they chose a definition that discounts the actual physical properties of a potential planet, electing instead to define “planet” in terms of the other objects that are — or are not — orbiting nearby. This leads to many bizarre and absurd conclusions. For example, it would mean that Earth was not a planet for its first 500 million years of history, because it orbited among a swarm of debris until that time, and also that if you took Earth today and moved it somewhere else, say out to the asteroid belt, it would cease being a planet.

To add insult to injury, they amended their convoluted definition with the vindictive and linguistically paradoxical statement that “a dwarf planet is not a planet.” This seemingly served no purpose but to satisfy those motivated by a desire — for whatever reason — to ensure that Pluto was “demoted” by the new definition.
Lol is that satire? Conservative grievance warriors dabbling in science now? :laugh:
Yeah, the story is from the ultra conservative Washington Post........... :eusa_whistle:

:lol:
So?
Probably didn't even read it besides, the Washington Post is anything but conservative......... But don't let that fact interfere with your "conservatives are evil anti-science" mantra....... :rofl:
Did you not read the OP and his grievance? :cuckoo:
Thanks for reminding us the left have no sense of humor.
 
Settled science.
Pluto was the only planet discovered by an American; so I blame anti-Americanism for all the anti-Plutoism.


Wrong. Pluto is now understood to be but one of a family of many dwarf planets or planetisimos. Also known as a KBO. Pluto does not clear out its vicinity of other bodies.

The solar system consists of EIGHT planets:

the four inner rocky planets, two outer gas giants and two outer ice giants.
They prefer to be called small planets not dwarf planets.
 
Settled science.
Pluto was the only planet discovered by an American; so I blame anti-Americanism for all the anti-Plutoism.


Wrong. Pluto is now understood to be but one of a family of many dwarf planets or planetisimos. Also known as a KBO. Pluto does not clear out its vicinity of other bodies.

The solar system consists of EIGHT planets:

the four inner rocky planets, two outer gas giants and two outer ice giants.
They prefer to be called small planets not dwarf planets.


Son, don't tell me that shit. I studied astronomy for 15 years, came within an inch of choosing astronomy as my career, have taught astronomy and still teach it informally to a group of people in my own science forum. Pluto is NOT a planet. It is a dwarf planet, or a Kuiper Belt Object. And it is staying that way.

Pluto - Wikipedia
 
Settled science.
Pluto was the only planet discovered by an American; so I blame anti-Americanism for all the anti-Plutoism.


Wrong. Pluto is now understood to be but one of a family of many dwarf planets or planetisimos. Also known as a KBO. Pluto does not clear out its vicinity of other bodies.

The solar system consists of EIGHT planets:

the four inner rocky planets, two outer gas giants and two outer ice giants.
They prefer to be called small planets not dwarf planets.
Humor? We don't need no stinking humor..........
 
Settled science.
Pluto was the only planet discovered by an American; so I blame anti-Americanism for all the anti-Plutoism.


Wrong. Pluto is now understood to be but one of a family of many dwarf planets or planetisimos. Also known as a KBO. Pluto does not clear out its vicinity of other bodies.

The solar system consists of EIGHT planets:

the four inner rocky planets, two outer gas giants and two outer ice giants.
They prefer to be called small planets not dwarf planets.


Son, don't tell me that shit. I studied astronomy for 15 years, came within an inch of choosing astronomy as my career, have taught astronomy and still teach it informally to a group of people in my own science forum. Pluto is NOT a planet. It is a dwarf planet, or a Kuiper Belt Object. And it is staying that way.

Pluto - Wikipedia


Put another way:

SIZE is not at all the only criteria for a planet / planetisimo. For instance, Mercury is unduly small for a planet and is thought to possibly be the core of an old planet left over from the early solar system. No one can account to how it swept out the region inside its orbit.

But keeping that in mind, here are some scale charts:

Sedna_Comparison.jpg


The three on the left are Plutinos.


Dwarf Planets.png


Here is Mercury and a few moons compared with Pluto, Eris (slightly bigger) and several other KBOs. There is simply no logical way to classify Pluto as a planet without admitting something like 200 other bodies as planets as well.
 
Settled science.
Pluto was the only planet discovered by an American; so I blame anti-Americanism for all the anti-Plutoism.


Wrong. Pluto is now understood to be but one of a family of many dwarf planets or planetisimos. Also known as a KBO. Pluto does not clear out its vicinity of other bodies.

The solar system consists of EIGHT planets:

the four inner rocky planets, two outer gas giants and two outer ice giants.
They prefer to be called small planets not dwarf planets.


Son, don't tell me that shit. I studied astronomy for 15 years, came within an inch of choosing astronomy as my career, have taught astronomy and still teach it informally to a group of people in my own science forum. Pluto is NOT a planet. It is a dwarf planet, or a Kuiper Belt Object. And it is staying that way.

Pluto - Wikipedia
Dwarf- Politically Correct? - Hot Topics | Forums | What to Expect

Stop being derogatory.
 
Settled science.
Pluto was the only planet discovered by an American; so I blame anti-Americanism for all the anti-Plutoism.


Wrong. Pluto is now understood to be but one of a family of many dwarf planets or planetisimos. Also known as a KBO. Pluto does not clear out its vicinity of other bodies.

The solar system consists of EIGHT planets:

the four inner rocky planets, two outer gas giants and two outer ice giants.
They prefer to be called small planets not dwarf planets.


Son, don't tell me that shit. I studied astronomy for 15 years, came within an inch of choosing astronomy as my career, have taught astronomy and still teach it informally to a group of people in my own science forum. Pluto is NOT a planet. It is a dwarf planet, or a Kuiper Belt Object. And it is staying that way.

Pluto - Wikipedia


Put another way:

SIZE is not at all the only criteria for a planet / planetisimo. For instance, Mercury is unduly small for a planet and is thought to possibly be the core of an old planet left over from the early solar system. No one can account to how it swept out the region inside its orbit.

But keeping that in mind, here are some scale charts:

View attachment 192544

The three on the left are Plutinos.


View attachment 192545

Here is Mercury and a few moons compared with Pluto, Eris (slightly bigger) and several other KBOs. There is simply no logical way to classify Pluto as a planet without admitting something like 200 other bodies as planets as well.
They don’t orbit the sun.
 

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