I was more at risk in 1962 when I was 9

[ginscpy]

than any citizen in WW2

Feeble attempts by the Axis against the US mainaland were comic.

When I was9 - the Cuban Missle crissles was nor so funny.

The missles in Cuba could have reached Seattle.

 

[eots]

time for you to tune in turn on and drop out my friend....

MC EOTS AND THE LSD KIDS by DogZero on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

 

[bobcollum]

than any citizen in WW2

Feeble attempts by the Axis against the US mainaland were comic.

When I was9 - the Cuban Missle crissles was nor so funny.

The missles in Cuba could have reached Seattle.

You really weren't, but you were certainly caught up in all the hype.

You probably thought the school desk would keep the radiation away.

 

[ginscpy]

than any citizen in WW2

Feeble attempts by the Axis against the US mainaland were comic.

When I was9 - the Cuban Missle crissles was nor so funny.

The missles in Cuba could have reached Seattle.

You really weren't, but you were certainly caught up in all the hype.

You probably thought the school desk would keep the radiation away.[/QUOTE

]Idid duck-and-cover and evacuation drills.

The missles in Cuba had a range to hit anywherre in the US.

 

[bobcollum]

than any citizen in WW2

Feeble attempts by the Axis against the US mainaland were comic.

When I was9 - the Cuban Missle crissles was nor so funny.

The missles in Cuba could have reached Seattle.

You really weren't, but you were certainly caught up in all the hype.

You probably thought the school desk would keep the radiation away.[/QUOTE

]Idid duck-and-cover and evacuation drills.

The missles in Cuba had a range to hit anywherre in the US.

It was never going to happen.

The cold war was nothing more than two countries waiting for the other to make the first move. It's called Mutually Assured Destruction.

 

[whitehall]

First (and hopefully the last) time we went to DEFCON 2. Thanks to the drooling fawning liberal media, the Russia and Cubans knew more about JFK's weaknesses than American citizens did. Russia (correctly) judged JFK as a weak president after the Bay of Pigs debacle and judged brother Robert as a screwball so they decided on a bluff that almost led to nuclear war.

 

[ginscpy]

The duck-and-cover and evacuation drills seemed like good fun at the time for a 9 year old in school.

Dare I use the word: NOSTOLGIA????????????????????????????????

 

[whitehall]

Duck and cover was well established before Camelot rolled into town.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The duck-and-cover and evacuation drills seemed like good fun at the time for a 9 year old in school.

Dare I use the word: NOSTOLGIA????????????????????????????????

have another drink.....use Vodka as a chaser....the faster you pass out....the better it will be for all concerned.........

 

[Ravi]

Wow. What a hero.

 

[whitehall]

Too bad Americans have grown up being fed liberal hype like pablum about the fictional "camelot" administration. Thanks to the liberal media Russia knew more about JFK's weaknesses than Americans did. JFK's criminal use of the CIA as a recruiting and training organization for a foreign invasion was an impeachable offense but the media ignored it like they ignored JFK's quirky brother's "exploding cigar diplomacy". When JFK finally left the poor fools that the CIA recruited, trained, fed and housed, to die at the Bay of Pigs it seemed clear to Russia that the US was being led by a fool so they placed missiles on Cuba. In an effort to get his balls back, JFK made an issue out of the Cuban Missile Crisis and put to the US in "Devcon 2". The dirty little secret was that Russia had "boomer-subs" just like we did cruising off the US coast so a couple of missiles on Cuba wasn't really that big a deal.

 

[regent]

Some survived Hiroshima and one of the factors was the distance from the blast and the cover one had. I saw pictures of burns on a body but not where the T shirt had covered. Some survived the radiation. I had my cover, usually sewers, gutters etc, picked out every day I drove to work.

 

[konradv]

Too bad Americans have grown up being fed liberal hype like pablum about the fictional "camelot" administration. Thanks to the liberal media Russia knew more about JFK's weaknesses than Americans did. JFK's criminal use of the CIA as a recruiting and training organization for a foreign invasion was an impeachable offense but the media ignored it like they ignored JFK's quirky brother's "exploding cigar diplomacy". When JFK finally left the poor fools that the CIA recruited, trained, fed and housed, to die at the Bay of Pigs it seemed clear to Russia that the US was being led by a fool so they placed missiles on Cuba. In an effort to get his balls back, JFK made an issue out of the Cuban Missile Crisis and put to the US in "Devcon 2". The dirty little secret was that Russia had "boomer-subs" just like we did cruising off the US coast so a couple of missiles on Cuba wasn't really that big a deal.

Couple of errors of fact here. The Bay of Pigs operation was set up and planned by the Eisenhower administration and Kennedy's heart wasn't in it from the start. Secondly, the SU put missles in Cuba because we put missles in Turkey. Not long after the SU agreed to stop, per secret agreement, we removed our missles.

 

[High_Gravity]

than any citizen in WW2

Feeble attempts by the Axis against the US mainaland were comic.

When I was9 - the Cuban Missle crissles was nor so funny.

The missles in Cuba could have reached Seattle.

What the fuck?

 

[Bfgrn]

First (and hopefully the last) time we went to DEFCON 2. Thanks to the drooling fawning liberal media, the Russia and Cubans knew more about JFK's weaknesses than American citizens did. Russia (correctly) judged JFK as a weak president after the Bay of Pigs debacle and judged brother Robert as a screwball so they decided on a bluff that almost led to nuclear war.

Here is what we know now. The CIA willfully LIED to the President of the United States to bait him into an invasion of Cuba, and a probable war with Russia. JFK had no use for the CIA after the Bay of Pigs and threatening to "shatter the agency into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds."


Bay of Pigs

Washington's national-security apparatus had decided there was no living with Castro. During the final months of the Eisenhower Administration, the CIA started planning an invasion of the island, recruiting Cuban exiles who had fled the new regime. Agency officials assured the young President who inherited the invasion plan that it was a "slam dunk," in the words of a future CIA director contemplating another ill-fated U.S. invasion. J.F.K. had deep misgivings, but unwilling to overrule his senior intelligence officials so early in his Administration, he went fatefully ahead with the plan. The doomed Bay of Pigs invasion in April 1961 became the Kennedy Administration's first great trauma.

We now know—from the CIA's internal history of the Bay of Pigs, which was declassified in 2005—that agency officials realized their motley crew of invaders had no chance of victory unless they were reinforced by the U.S. military. But Allen Dulles and Richard Bissell, the top CIA officials, never disclosed this to J.F.K. They clearly thought the young President would cave in the heat of battle, that he would be forced to send in the Marines and Air Force to rescue the beleaguered exiles brigade after it was pinned down on the beaches by Castro's forces. But Kennedy—who was concerned about aggravating the U.S. image in Latin America as a Yanqui bully and also feared a Soviet countermove against West Berlin—had warned agency officials that he would not fully intervene. As the invasion quickly bogged down at the swampy landing site, J.F.K. stunned Dulles and Bissell by standing his ground and refusing to escalate the assault.

Read more: Warrior For Peace - The Lessons of J.F.K. - TIME

 

[Bfgrn]

than any citizen in WW2

Feeble attempts by the Axis against the US mainaland were comic.

When I was9 - the Cuban Missle crissles was nor so funny.

The missles in Cuba could have reached Seattle.

You really weren't, but you were certainly caught up in all the hype.

You probably thought the school desk would keep the radiation away.

Yes we were. Maybe not Seattle, but most of the east coast including Washington DC were in the rage of the armed nuclear missiles in Cuba.

Cuban Missile Crisis

Kennedy was particularly alarmed by his trigger-happy Air Force chief, cigar-chomping General Curtis LeMay, who firmly believed the U.S. should unleash a pre-emptive nuclear broadside against Russia while America still enjoyed massive arms superiority. Throughout the 13-day Cuban missile crisis, Kennedy was under relentless pressure from LeMay and nearly his entire national-security circle to "fry" Cuba, in the Air Force chief's memorable language. But J.F.K., whose only key support in the increasingly tense Cabinet Room meetings came from his brother Bobby and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, kept searching for a nonmilitary solution. When Kennedy, assiduously working the back channels to the Kremlin, finally succeeded in cutting a deal with Khrushchev, the world survived "the most dangerous moment in human history," in Schlesinger's words. But no one at the time knew just how dangerous. Years later, attending the 40th anniversary of the crisis at a conference in Havana, Schlesinger, Sorensen and McNamara were stunned to learn that if U.S. forces had attacked Cuba, Russian commanders on the island were authorized to respond with tactical and strategic nuclear missiles. The Joint Chiefs had assured Kennedy during the crisis that "no nuclear warheads were in Cuba at the time," Sorensen grimly noted. "They were wrong." If Kennedy had bowed to his military advisers' pressure, a vast swath of the urban U.S. within missile range of the Soviet installations in Cuba could have been reduced to radioactive rubble.

Read more: Warrior For Peace - The Lessons of J.F.K. - TIME

 

[Bfgrn]

JFK and Nikita Khrushchev...

Kennedy often said he wanted his epitaph to be "He kept the peace." Even Khrushchev and Castro, Kennedy's toughest foreign adversaries, came to appreciate J.F.K.'s commitment to that goal. The roly-poly Soviet leader, clowning and growling, had thrown the young President off his game when they met at the Vienna summit in 1961. But after weathering storms like the Cuban missile crisis, the two leaders had settled into a mutually respectful quest for détente. When Khrushchev got the news from Dallas in November 1963, he broke down and sobbed in the Kremlin, unable to perform his duties for days. Despite his youth, Kennedy was a "real statesman," Khrushchev later wrote in his memoir, after he was pushed from power less than a year following J.F.K.'s death. If Kennedy had lived, he wrote, the two men could have brought peace to the world.

Read more: Warrior For Peace - The Lessons of J.F.K. - TIME

Letter From Chairman Khrushchev to President Johnson

DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I am writing this message to you at a moment that holds a special place in the history of your country. The villainous assassination of Head of the American State John F. Kennedy is a grievous, indeed a very grievous loss for your country. I want to say frankly that the gravity of this loss is felt by the whole world, including ourselves, the Soviet people.

There is no need for me to tell you that the late President John F. Kennedy and I, as the Head of the Government of the socialist Soviet Union, were people of different poles. But I believe that probably you yourself have formed a definite view that it was an awareness of the great responsibility for the destinies of the world that guided the actions of the two Governments—both of the Soviet Union and of the United States—in recent years. These actions were founded on a desire to prevent a disaster and to resolve disputed issues through agreement with due regard for the most important, the most fundamental interests of ensuring peace.

An awareness of this responsibility, which I found John F. Kennedy to possess during our very first conversations in Vienna in 1961, laid down the unseen bridge of mutual understanding which, I venture to say, was not broken to the very last day in the life of President John F. Kennedy. For my own part, I can say quite definitely that the feeling of respect for the late President never left me precisely because, like ourselves, he based his policy on a desire not to permit a military collision of the major powers which carry on their shoulders the burden of the responsibility for the maintenance of peace.

And now, taking the opportunity offered by the visit to the United States of my First Deputy A.I. Mikoyan to attend the funeral of John F. Kennedy, I address these lines to you, as the new President of the United States of America in whom is vested a high responsibility to your people. I do not know how you will react to these words of mine, but let me say outright that in you we saw a comrade-in-arms of the late President, a man who always stood at the President's side and supported his line in foreign policy. This, I believe, gives us grounds to express the hope that the basis, which dictated to the leaders of both countries the need not to permit the outbreak of a new war and to keep the peace, will continue to be the determining factor in the development of relations between our two States.

Needless to say, on our part, and on my own part, as Head of the Government of the Soviet Union, there has been and remains readiness to find, through an exchange of views, mutually acceptable solutions for those problems which still divide us. This applies both to the problems of European security, which have been handed down to the present generation chiefly as a legacy of World War II, and to other international problems.

Judging by experience, exchanges of views and our contacts can assume various forms, including such an avenue as the exchange of personal messages, if this does not run counter to your wishes.

Recently we marked the Thirtieth Anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between the U.S.S.R. and the U.S. This was a historic act in which an outstanding role was played by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. We have always believed that, being a representative of one and the same political party, the late President John F. Kennedy to a certain extent continued in foreign policy Roosevelt's traditions which were based on recognition of the fact that the coinciding interests of the U.S.S.R. and the U.S. prevail over all that divides them.

And it is to you Mr. President, as to a representative of the same trend of the United States policy which brought into the political forefront statesmen, such as Franklin D. Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy, that I want to say that if these great traditions could go on being maintained and strengthened, both Americans and Soviet people could, we are convinced, look optimistically into the future. We are convinced that this development of events would meet the sympathy of every state, and indeed of every individual who espouses and cherishes peace.

I would welcome any desire on your part to express your ideas in connection with the thoughts—though they may, perhaps, be of a somewhat general nature—which I deemed it possible to share with you in this message.1

Respectfully,

N. Khrushchev

Office of the Historian - Historical Documents - Foreign Relations of the United States, 1961

 

[Bfgrn]

Letter From Jacqueline Kennedy to Chairman Khrushchev

Washington, December 1, 1963.

DEAR MR. CHAIRMAN PRESIDENT, I would like to thank you for sending Mr.Mikoyan as your representative to my husband's funeral.

He looked so upset when he came through the line, and I was very moved.

I tried to give him a message for you that day—but as it was such a terrible day for me, I do not know if my words came out as I meant them to.

So now, in one of the last nights I will spend in the White House, in one of the last letters I will write on this paper at the White House, I would like to write you my message.

I send it only because I know how much my husband cared about peace, and how the relation between you and him was central to this care in his mind. He used to quote your words in some of his speeches-”In the next war the survivors will envy the dead.”

You and he were adversaries, but you were allied in a determination that the world should not be blown up. You respected each other and could deal with each other. I know that President Johnson will make every effort to establish the same relationship with you.

The danger which troubled my husband was that war might be started not so much by the big men as by the little ones.

While big men know the needs for self-control and restraint—little men are sometimes moved more by fear and pride. If only in the future the big men can continue to make the little ones sit down and talk, before they start to fight.

I know that President Johnson will continue the policy in which my husband so deeply believed—a policy of control and restraint—and he will need your help.

I send this letter because I know so deeply of the importance of the relationship which existed between you and my husband, and also because of your kindness, and that of Mrs.Khrushcheva in Vienna.

I read that she had tears in her eyes when she left the American Embassy in Moscow, after signing the book of mourning. Please thank her for that.

Sincerely,

Jacqueline Kennedy

Office of the Historian - Historical Documents - Foreign Relations of the United States, 1961

 

[gipper]

First (and hopefully the last) time we went to DEFCON 2. Thanks to the drooling fawning liberal media, the Russia and Cubans knew more about JFK's weaknesses than American citizens did. Russia (correctly) judged JFK as a weak president after the Bay of Pigs debacle and judged brother Robert as a screwball so they decided on a bluff that almost led to nuclear war.

Here is what we know now. The CIA willfully LIED to the President of the United States to bait him into an invasion of Cuba, and a probable war with Russia. JFK had no use for the CIA after the Bay of Pigs and threatening to "shatter the agency into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds."


Bay of Pigs

Washington's national-security apparatus had decided there was no living with Castro. During the final months of the Eisenhower Administration, the CIA started planning an invasion of the island, recruiting Cuban exiles who had fled the new regime. Agency officials assured the young President who inherited the invasion plan that it was a "slam dunk," in the words of a future CIA director contemplating another ill-fated U.S. invasion. J.F.K. had deep misgivings, but unwilling to overrule his senior intelligence officials so early in his Administration, he went fatefully ahead with the plan. The doomed Bay of Pigs invasion in April 1961 became the Kennedy Administration's first great trauma.

We now know—from the CIA's internal history of the Bay of Pigs, which was declassified in 2005—that agency officials realized their motley crew of invaders had no chance of victory unless they were reinforced by the U.S. military. But Allen Dulles and Richard Bissell, the top CIA officials, never disclosed this to J.F.K. They clearly thought the young President would cave in the heat of battle, that he would be forced to send in the Marines and Air Force to rescue the beleaguered exiles brigade after it was pinned down on the beaches by Castro's forces. But Kennedy—who was concerned about aggravating the U.S. image in Latin America as a Yanqui bully and also feared a Soviet countermove against West Berlin—had warned agency officials that he would not fully intervene. As the invasion quickly bogged down at the swampy landing site, J.F.K. stunned Dulles and Bissell by standing his ground and refusing to escalate the assault.

Read more: Warrior For Peace - The Lessons of J.F.K. - TIME

And the story continues....JFK was murdered in a coup d'état a couple years later, lead by the US military/CIA. All because he would not go along with the bastards running the military-industrial complex who demanded war. Then, the Butcher of Vietnam put Dulles (whom JFK fired for the Bay of Pigs debacle) in charge of the Warren Commission. Too CRAZY!!! He also immediately raved up our involvement in Nam leading to another debacle, but this time with lots of dead American boys and wasted treasure...only to result in commies overrunning SE Asia causing death and suffering for millions. TOO CRAZY!!!

And yet after all these lies, killings, and corruption, our military-industrial-government complex is as strong and influential as ever.

 

[Bfgrn]

First (and hopefully the last) time we went to DEFCON 2. Thanks to the drooling fawning liberal media, the Russia and Cubans knew more about JFK's weaknesses than American citizens did. Russia (correctly) judged JFK as a weak president after the Bay of Pigs debacle and judged brother Robert as a screwball so they decided on a bluff that almost led to nuclear war.

Here is what we know now. The CIA willfully LIED to the President of the United States to bait him into an invasion of Cuba, and a probable war with Russia. JFK had no use for the CIA after the Bay of Pigs and threatening to "shatter the agency into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds."


Bay of Pigs

Washington's national-security apparatus had decided there was no living with Castro. During the final months of the Eisenhower Administration, the CIA started planning an invasion of the island, recruiting Cuban exiles who had fled the new regime. Agency officials assured the young President who inherited the invasion plan that it was a "slam dunk," in the words of a future CIA director contemplating another ill-fated U.S. invasion. J.F.K. had deep misgivings, but unwilling to overrule his senior intelligence officials so early in his Administration, he went fatefully ahead with the plan. The doomed Bay of Pigs invasion in April 1961 became the Kennedy Administration's first great trauma.

We now know—from the CIA's internal history of the Bay of Pigs, which was declassified in 2005—that agency officials realized their motley crew of invaders had no chance of victory unless they were reinforced by the U.S. military. But Allen Dulles and Richard Bissell, the top CIA officials, never disclosed this to J.F.K. They clearly thought the young President would cave in the heat of battle, that he would be forced to send in the Marines and Air Force to rescue the beleaguered exiles brigade after it was pinned down on the beaches by Castro's forces. But Kennedy—who was concerned about aggravating the U.S. image in Latin America as a Yanqui bully and also feared a Soviet countermove against West Berlin—had warned agency officials that he would not fully intervene. As the invasion quickly bogged down at the swampy landing site, J.F.K. stunned Dulles and Bissell by standing his ground and refusing to escalate the assault.

Read more: Warrior For Peace - The Lessons of J.F.K. - TIME

And the story continues....JFK was murdered in a coup d'état a couple years later, lead by the US military/CIA. All because he would not go along with the bastards running the military-industrial complex who demanded war. Then, the Butcher of Vietnam put Dulles (whom JFK fired for the Bay of Pigs debacle) in charge of the Warren Commission. Too CRAZY!!! He also immediately raved up our involvement in Nam leading to another debacle, but this time with lots of dead American boys and wasted treasure.

And yet after all these lies, killings, and corruption, our military-industrial-government complex is as strong and influential as ever.

The reason for President Eisenhower's military/industrial complex warning in his farewell address was not theory. Eisenhower's finest moment, Detente with the Soviet Union as he was leaving office was destroyed by the CIA.


THE SABOTAGING OF THE AMERICAN PRESIDENCY
by L. Fletcher Prouty


In 1960, the Secret Team, terrified that President Eisenhower was coming to terms with the USSR, resolved that there must be no peace. A surefire plan was needed to destruct the upcoming summit conference. What better way to show American bad faith than by arranging for a US "spy" plane to be forced down over the USSR on the Russian's most important national holiday.


President Eisenhower looked forward to visiting the Soviet Union during May of 1960, along with increasing the level of dialogue with Premier Krushchev regarding implementation of a genuine halt to the arms race. His Crusade for Peace was intended to reach a new level of understanding ushered in with the planned meeting in Paris on May 16, followed by a tour of Russia many expected to be a resounding success for both sides. Charles Bohlen (Russian ambassador from 4/53 to 12/56) recalls, "I was certainly enthusiastic about Eisenhower's scheduled trip to the Soviet Union. Eisenhower was not only a President, he was also a war hero. The Russians would have loved him." [Witness to History, p.462]

But despite all the effort and planning the President of the United States was pinning his forty-five years of government service on the successful outcome of, he found himself outmatched by a very tight-knit group of people operating within the newly-birthed powers of the National Security State complex. When, in his farewell address, he spoke of "guard[ing] against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex", he was not describing some abstract concept about what might lie ahead -- he was going as far as he dared in speaking publicly about his own painful experiences. When he stated "the potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist" he was alluding to his own ordeal of crushed hopes for a better world for all.

The urgency of these words -- to take nothing for granted, to call for an alert and knowledgeable citizenry as the only protection against an unwarranted and unaccountable exercising of power, "to compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals" -- these words were spoken by a man who, although Commander-In-Chief, and "leader of the free world," was not truly the one deciding what agendas the United States would pursue and who would benefit by those agendas.

...

But in 1960 when President Eisenhower launched his Crusade for Peace to bring about a lasting detente with the Soviet Union, one U-2 airplane, one pilot, and the invisible enemy shattered his dream. That U-2, flown into the USSR on May 1, 1960 by Francis Gary Powers was not on a spy mission as had been alleged. It was launched for the sole purpose of destroying whatever chance there was for peace. It was the weapon of the war lovers -- the missile of the industrial complex.

Ike learned what other world leaders have learned: it is easier to wage war than to make peace. In war the enemy is visible, and he is usually on the other side.

"The Sabotaging of the American Presidency" -- the U-2 debacle by L. Fletcher Prouty

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Leroy Fletcher Prouty (January 24, 1917 – June 5, 2001) served as Chief of Special Operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President John F. Kennedy. A former colonel in the United States Air Force.

From 1955–1964 he was assigned to U.S. Air Force Headquarters where he directed the creation of an Air Force worldwide system for "Military Support of the Clandestine Operations of the CIA", as required by a new National Security Council Directive, 5412 of March, 1954. As a result of a CIA Commendation for this work he was awarded the Legion of Merit by the US Air Force, and was promoted to Colonel being assigned to the Office of the Secretary of Defense.