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    Way back when, there were separate threads here named "War On Terror" and "War In Iraq". I saw even then the dilemma of combining them. Nonetheless, we have now the bifurcated wars on terror and Iraq discussed here in a single thread or forum.

    President Bush has admitted there is no connection with Iraq and 9/11. Even Dick Cheney, after declaring with all authority the opposite, admits there are no WMD's in Iraq and further admits that the threat of a "mushroom cloud here in the homeland" was ill conceived at best. Both tacitly admit there was no threat whatsoever from the peoples of Iraq towards the government, the population or even the business interests of the United States Of America. Why are we there?

    I would suggest the understanding of United States Generals that the Iraqi battleground is much more easily observed and predicted than the unforgiving landscape of Afghanistan. I would further suggest that American Military intuition was to some extent correct in that Iraq would prove a magnet, a flypaper if you will, for Islamic militancy, deserving or not. I'll go on to say the military genious behind this operation was and is completely wrong.

    A major defeat of Islamic fundalmentalism in Iraq, which doesn't seem likely in light of recent elections both in Iraq and elsewhere in the middle east, will only move the attention to other areas while the fundamentalists rejoin and reconstitute wherever they find more comfortable or otherwise attractive.

    We have been taught and learned since childhood that any war against China by the United States Of America would result in catastrophic loss to our peoples simply due their might by population. I would suggest that we now endeavor to complete the impossible as warned by our teachings and of world history.

    It's mathematics. Muslims outnumber Christians by 2 to 1 and the Muslims are growing and they are much more committed than average Christians.

    As a child of God and an American, I will not knowingly in any way injure another human being due simply to their ethnicity, their religion, their country or their difference of political opinion. I have always thought this as the American way of life.


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    Saddam Hussein was funding terrorist groups and had WMD's and was hiding them from the UNSCOM inspectors. You need to look at the recent declassified Saddam tapes. Translated by Bill Tierney at the intelligence summit February 2006.
    As far as government official playing the political spin game of media sound bites versus actual intelligence,I'll let you figure out the truth on that one.
    Iraq will serve as an excellent forward operating base against enemies the U.S. sees as a threat to the country's best interest. So far its been a great kill box for those radical Islamic militants who want to tangle with the armed forces of the United States.
    This ever expanding war is a war over culture,religion,ideology,natural resources,trade routes,you name it. Some of the very same conditions that we see today existed in the time of the crusades. Oh and by the way, Christian armies of the crusades were also in many cases outnumbered by a ratio of two to one. But that did not stop the Crusaders who were a huge minority operating supplies lines from thousands of miles away in Europe from kicking Muslim butt.
    Now China is a different story. Sure they got troops, but do they have the transportation and logistics and energy resources (fuel) to get them to the fight? I think not. The world is yet to see the true power of the United States Navy.
    As far as the American way of life and children of God fighting the enemy in wars. Get real! The United States does what every other country does. It act in its own best interest! Many country get pushed out to shape because we do it better then anyone else. I can tell you every country if they could, they would be doing everything in their power to gain as much power,resources,trade,control you name it if they could. Mankind is who he is. Its our nature to be this way. History tells the truth.
    As far as children of God serving in the military and killing the enemy in a time of war. Israelis(messianic or others)and Christians have been fighting war for centuries. They have slain their enemies for many reasons including ethnicity,religious and political. God is Sovereign and He establishes rulers. Kings,Presidents,Prime ministers, you name it. The men and women who fight wars for those rulers are justified in their duty but God's Sovereignty. Just like the men who fought for King David. Keep in mind, we are talking about children of God and their service to their country. Just my two cents.
     
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    I don't know where you get your stats, but here you go. Before you go all 'practicing' or 'committed' on me, just remember that when under attack, people defend what they know:

    http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/xx.html#People

     
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    Did I miss all that? Seriously, don't laugh.
     
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    Pssst...Psycho...
    NOBODY CARES

    That is all.
     
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    Psychoblues: Muslims outnumber Christians by 2 to 1

    Kathianne: Definition Field Listing
    Christians 33.03% (of which Roman Catholics 17.33%, Protestants 5.8%, Orthodox 3.42%, Anglicans 1.23%), Muslims 20.12%, Hindus 13.34%, Buddhists 5.89%, Sikhs 0.39%, Jews 0.23%, other religions 12.61%, non-religious 12.03%, atheists 2.36%

    Wow, Psycho - Kathianne busted your ass six ways from the middle on this one, huh? You must be terribly proud...
     
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    Numbers mean nothing.

    China c1840-1945 was proportionally as large as
    it is now, and was powerless in the face of the
    technical superiority of the much smaller but more
    advanced West, and Japan.

    The same goes for the Muslim areas of the world.

    Both are now much more technically advanced,
    especially China. However, they still face a daunting
    technical gap which I do not believe they can ever
    overcome, provided the more advanced nations make
    the effort to continuously upgrade their own capacities.

    In such a case China will never be able to extend
    at all beyond its present borders in the face of a
    sufficiently determined West.

    And in the same case the west could completely obliterate
    the Muslim counties, using only conventional means.

    I would like to keep this advantage for all time, so I
    am NOT in favor reducing our defence budgets by one
    penny, and I am in favor of increasing them as much as
    needed, if that is what it takes to keep the gap at least
    as big as it now is in our favor.
     
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    ...and, provided we don't elect another two-dollar whore President, who'll trade our most sensitive technological secrets to the Chinese for hefty campaign contributions.

    I hope they're keeping hell hot for Bill Clinton.
     
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    "President Bush has admitted there is no connection with Iraq and 9/11. Even Dick Cheney, after declaring with all authority the opposite, admits there are no WMD's in Iraq and further admits that the threat of a "mushroom cloud here in the homeland" was ill conceived at best. Both tacitly admit there was no threat whatsoever from the peoples of Iraq towards the government, the population or even the business interests of the United States Of America."


    An unmitigated LIE!! Prove by links or citation that Bush or Cheney EVER said anything of the kind.. Sorry Psycho but your lying or quoting a liar..
     
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    Thomas( )Paine,
    Here is the link. Bush did say it, and its from The Most Trusted Name in News no less.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97527,00.html

    The World's Greatest News Source sayeth it is, so it must be so.
     

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