I want my country back

[Samson]

So to counter that, this admin Raises taxes, spends a couple Trillion dollars, and keeps the War(s) going on...

1) Why has it raised taxes.
2) Why did it spend the money?
3) Why did it keep the wars going?

You know, the one thing that peeves me about Obama haters and neocons in general is that they live on sound bites. There is no substance to their argument.

They think a throw away sentence from the likes of Rush, Hannity or O'Reilly is some intriguing insight, when all it is is a partisan, insipid few words with no hard data or research to back it up.

Read the post I have just quoted to see an example of it...

If you say stuff like that, they will call you a "racist".

You are a racist by using the word "racist."

 

[Old Rocks]

I once tried to explain to a fellow why a carburated V-8 of 400 cu. in. displacement could not possibly get 100 mpg. As soon as I mentioned Carnot Cycle, his eyes glazed over, and further discussion was useless.

It is the same speaking to these ignoramouses. Their world has been turned upside down. A 'black man' is in the White House. He is a centrist Liberal with first class bona fides in the education department, can speak as well as any President that we have had, and understands power, and how to use it.

They had their asses kicked in the last election, and are not about to forgive President Obama or their fellow citizens for that. So they tell lies about the President, and talk of eliminating 'Liberals'. In general, live in their little twisted fantasy world where treason is patriotism.

Better wake up fellows. You really try some of the dumb shit you are spouting off about, and the sane majority will see you hung for treason.

 

[uscitizen]

heaven forbid the rightwingnuts should have said word one about it when the prior admin cut taxes and spent 200 billion dollars on a war of choice.

I like the term "war of choice."

It makes all other "wars of nonchoice" seem essential.

some wars are essential, or at least necessary. this one served no purpose and had no basis.

It served several purposes:

1. Routed lots of money to the MIC and other favored contractors and industies. Borrowed money at that.
2. Made Bush a War President.
3. Made the oil companies a massive bundle of money.
4. Got Bush re-elected.

 

[Dr Grump]

I once tried to explain to a fellow why a carburated V-8 of 400 cu. in. displacement could not possibly get 100 mpg. As soon as I mentioned Carnot Cycle, his eyes glazed over, and further discussion was useless.

It is the same speaking to these ignoramouses. Their world has been turned upside down. A 'black man' is in the White House. He is a centrist Liberal with first class bona fides in the education department, can speak as well as any President that we have had, and understands power, and how to use it.

They had their asses kicked in the last election, and are not about to forgive President Obama or their fellow citizens for that. So they tell lies about the President, and talk of eliminating 'Liberals'. In general, live in their little twisted fantasy world where treason is patriotism.

Better wake up fellows. You really try some of the dumb shit you are spouting off about, and the sane majority will see you hung for treason.

Bingo....

While being dumb as a sack of shit is not monopolised by conservatives, they certain bat above average on this board....

 

[xsited1]

I want my country back

Ah yes. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid saying, "Take America Back!" Well, the Neocons let them take over and now there is one-party rule. So far, things are actually worse than when Bush was President and the Republicans were in control of Congress. Yes, we have some incredibly stupid people running our country.

 

[Foxfyre]

I want my country back

Ah yes. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid saying, "Take America Back!" Well, the Neocons let them take over and now there is one-party rule. So far, things are actually worse than when Bush was President and the Republicans were in control of Congress. Yes, we have some incredibly stupid people running our country.

Sometimes it is necessary to go through some hell though in order to regain one's perspective about what is really important. And unless we hand over all our freedoms, sooner or later the people do regain a more practical perspective.

There's a new book out, certainly slated to be a best seller if it isn't already: The Overton Window.

It is said:

The Overton Window is a political theory developed by the late Joseph Overton (who observed): "when public policies in a given area (education, health care) are arranged from freest to least free, only a relatively narrow window of options will be considered politically acceptable."

The theory says the window will gradually move over time based on a variety of factors, including truth, facts, arguments, big events and misinformation, to name a few.

The window of what's becoming "acceptable" debate in America today has changed quite a bit from even just a few decades ago. In March 1950, Newsweek declared "socialism is on its last legs," and it was right. . . . Fast forward through nearly six decades of socialists chipping away at capitalism, and in February 2009 Newsweek proudly declared "we're all socialists now." . . .

. . . .While the president has the media on his side, he clearly does not have the will of the people -- 58 percent of the country want to repeal the health care bill; 60 percent of Americans are in favor of the Arizona immigration law that his administration calls hateful.

If Obama continues to push, he'll experience what's called Overton's revenge. It happened during America's banning of alcohol through prohibition in the 1920s. People like to drink, and they especially liked to drink during the Great Depression. Prohibition was finally overturned in 1933. Government overshot the window, and the people responded.

Did Obama overshoot the Overton Window with health care? With cap and trade? With bailouts? Only time will tell.

While you're waiting for that answer, let me leave you with this: The Overton Window model also says that when society unites behind sound principles, its political servants will, too.
Opinion: Glenn Beck Asks: What's the Overton Window and Why Should You Care?

 

[jillian]

heaven forbid the rightwingnuts should have said word one about it when the prior admin cut taxes and spent 200 billion dollars on a war of choice.

J, nothing is Bush's fault OK? Obama started the mess dontcha know?

I knew I was missing something.

 

[editec]

I like the term "war of choice."

It makes all other "wars of nonchoice" seem essential.

some wars are essential, or at least necessary. this one served no purpose and had no basis.

Yep, hard to argue that 1812 wasn't necessary. Once the enemy burns down your capital, I consider a war necessary, but simply crashing a plane into it is a "Grey Area."

FYI: burning of Washington didn't lead up to the war.

Timeline of events leading up, and including the the War of 1812

1803-1812 - British impress approximately 10,000 Americans forcing them to work on British ships.
July 23, 1805 - British decide in Essex case that American traders who travel between neutral and enemy ports will allow for the seizing many commercial ships.
January 25, 1806 - James Madison delivers report concerning British interference and impressment of sailors causing anti-British feelings to arise.
August, 1806 - American minister James Monroe and envoy William Pinkney are unable to resolve the major problems between the British and Americans concerning commercial shipping and impressment.

1806 - The British blockade France; American ships are caught in the middle and the British seize approximately 1000 US ships.
March 1807 - Thomas Jefferson receives the Monroe-Pinkney treaty but does not submit it to Congress because it represents a dismal failure for the Americans.
June 1807 - The American ship Chesapeake is fired on by the British ship Leopard after refusing to be boarded. This creates an international incident.
December 1807 - Thomas Jefferson attempts "peaceful coercion" of the British with his embargo but it results in economic disaster for merchants.
1811 - Battle of Tippecanoe - Tecumseh's brother (the Prophet) leads attack on William Henry Harrison's army of 1000 men.
June 18, 1812 - America declares war against the British. This war is known as "Mr. Madison's War" or "The Second American Revolution."
August 16, 1812 - U.S. loses Ft. Mackinac as the British invade American territory.
1812 - Three attempts are made by the U.S. to invade Canada. They all end in failure.
1812 - The USS Constitution ("Old Ironsides") defeats the HMS Guerriere.
January 1813 - Battle of Frenchtown. British and Indian allies repel Kentucky troops in bloody fighting. The American survivors are killed in the Raisin River Massacre.
April 1813 - Battle of York (Toronto). US troops take control of Great Lakes and burn York.
September 1813 - Battle of Lake Erie. US forces under Captain Perry defeat a British naval attack.
October 1813 - Battle of Thames (Ontario, Canada). Tecumseh is killed in a US victory.
March 27, 1814 - Battle of Horseshoe Bend (Mississippi Territory). Andrew Jackson defeats the Creek Indians.
1814 - The British plan a 3-part invasion of US: Chesapeake Bay, Lake Champlain, & the mouth of Mississippi River. The British are eventually turned back at Baltimore harbor. [
August 24-25, 1814 - The British burn Washington, D.C. and Madison flees the White House.
September 1814 - Battle of Plattsburgh (Lake Champlain). The US secures its northern border with a huge victory over a larger British force.
December 15,1814 - The Hartford Convention occurs. A group of Federalists discuss secession and propose seven amendments to protect the influence of Northeastern states.
December 24, 1814 - Treaty of Ghent. The British and American diplomats agree to return to the status quo from before the war.
January 1815 - Battle of New Orleans. Andrew Jackson scores a huge victory and paves the way to the White House. 700 British are killed, 1400 are wounded. The US only loses 8 soldiers.

source

 

[hortysir]

Fucked if I know...
1.UE has done nothing but climb
2.Gubment has more fingers in more pies than ever before
3.And how's that "bringing the troops home" bullshit lie working so far?

I know you don't know. I've yet to see a conservative to offer a critical, doable argument. Saying "I don't know" and "no" are not solutions....

Then enlighten me oh, wise one....

1) Why has it raised taxes?
2) Why did it spend the money?
3) Why did it keep the wars going?


Are we better off now than we were $4 trillion ago?


I am honestly interested in your answers to the questions you posed.
It was your test, so I'm guessing you have the answer-key lying around somewhere, right...

 

[Foxfyre]

Fucked if I know...
1.UE has done nothing but climb
2.Gubment has more fingers in more pies than ever before
3.And how's that "bringing the troops home" bullshit lie working so far?

I know you don't know. I've yet to see a conservative to offer a critical, doable argument. Saying "I don't know" and "no" are not solutions....

Then enlighten me oh, wise one....

1) Why has it raised taxes?
2) Why did it spend the money?
3) Why did it keep the wars going?


Are we better off now than we were $4 trillion ago?


I am honestly interested in your answers to the questions you posed.
It was your test, so I'm guessing you have the answer-key lying around somewhere, right...

What conservatives have been saying via Tea Parties, tax protest groups, 9/12 groups, in letters to the editor, on polls, on call in shows, in floor speeches in Congress, in editorials, essays, and commentaries, and on message boards is this:

Government works best when it secures our rights via necessary laws and regulation, defends our freedoms, provides the means for some basic essential shared services, and then mostly gets out of our way and allows us to live our lives.

Government that does much more than that will slowly but surely drain the life, energy, and vitality out of any society.

We will be happiest as a people when we get back to the principle that people are happiest and also a society will prosper and there will be more opportunity, choices, and options for everybody when the people are more free and have more of their own resources to pursue them.

People are capable of spending their own resources much more efficiently, effectively, and get more value for the dollar than government will do on their behalf.

Government is a poor steward of the people's money and a poor nanny in managing people's lives.

Conservatives, 180 opposite of liberals, want government to do much much less, cost much much less, and interfere much much less than it does.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK


So I run into my neighbor Marcel Proost who is driving down Buckshot Creek Road in his old Toyota truck. I see he’s got two new bumper stickers on the back fender. One says “Take Back Our Country.” The other is “Climate Skeptic.”
Marcel sometimes likes to do things just to get a rise out of folks, especially me, whom he considers a fuzzy-minded Berkeley liberal. I never know whether he’s serious or just trying to provoke someone into a long, contorted argument in which he can sport his libertarian opinions.
“Marcel,” I say, “I’m happy to see you want to take back your country. Can I ask from whom you want to take it back? Who took it away from you?”
“They did, John.”
“And who is “they?”
“All the people who are ruining our country, particularly the government.”

Edited, read more @ Link:

John Adams:Hell Mouth:Taking Back Our Country


Cretins like this taking our county back scare the hell out of me.

Folks like you who think that everything is just "coming up roses" and there is no problem with what Congress and this Owe Bama administration is doing to the country is what scares the hell out of me. I think that Marcel Proost probably has more on the ball than you do.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm........​

"So I run into my neighbor Marcel Proost who is driving down Buckshot Creek Road in his old Toyota truck."

I'm imagining a lil' differently.......

no nudity. picture removed

care

"HEY, there, Snerdly!! YUP! It's ME, again!!!"​

 

[Big Black Dog]

I once tried to explain to a fellow why a carburated V-8 of 400 cu. in. displacement could not possibly get 100 mpg. As soon as I mentioned Carnot Cycle, his eyes glazed over, and further discussion was useless.

It is the same speaking to these ignoramouses. Their world has been turned upside down. A 'black man' is in the White House. He is a centrist Liberal with first class bona fides in the education department, can speak as well as any President that we have had, and understands power, and how to use it.

They had their asses kicked in the last election, and are not about to forgive President Obama or their fellow citizens for that. So they tell lies about the President, and talk of eliminating 'Liberals'. In general, live in their little twisted fantasy world where treason is patriotism.

Better wake up fellows. You really try some of the dumb shit you are spouting off about, and the sane majority will see you hung for treason.

I've heard a lot of ignorant shit said on this board but I do believe that the above garbage gets the trophy. I can't honest believe that somebody would have a thought pattern like the above and not be considered mentally ill.

 

[Care4all]

I like the term "war of choice."

It makes all other "wars of nonchoice" seem essential.

some wars are essential, or at least necessary. this one served no purpose and had no basis.

Yep, hard to argue that 1812 wasn't necessary. Once the enemy burns down your capital, I consider a war necessary, but simply crashing a plane into it is a "Grey Area."

saddam DID NOT ATTACK US with airplanes in to the trade center and pentagon on september 11th...

IF that is what you are implying???

 

[rdean]

I want my country back to the way it was before Bush and the Republicans fucked up absolutely everything they touched. Every organization, every department, they were like Midas, only everything they touched turned to shit.

 

[Big Black Dog]

I want my country back to the way it was before Bush and the Republicans fucked up absolutely everything they touched. Every organization, every department, they were like Midas, only everything they touched turned to shit.

So, when does Owe Bama start fixing stuff instead of fucking it up worse? If you hated Bush, I can't believe you think Owe Bama is a breath of fresh air.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I'm going with Marcel on this one. You should listen to him more. The Socialists/Progressives have completely sunk so many future generations. The Socialists/Progressives are ruining our country. Marcel definitely nailed that one. It is time for Americans to take their country back. Btw,you Socialists/Progressives sure did screech a lot of that "Take back our Country" rhetoric when the other side had power no? So i just don't get the sudden outrage over such rhetoric. You guys sound a bit disingenuous & hypocritical on this one. WTG Marcel! I'm with ya brotha.

 

[rightwinger]

The way you take your country back is to elect those representatives who best represent your views. If people who have views different than you manage to win those elections....you really need to quit your bitching

 

[rdean]

I want my country back to the way it was before Bush and the Republicans fucked up absolutely everything they touched. Every organization, every department, they were like Midas, only everything they touched turned to shit.

So, when does Owe Bama start fixing stuff instead of fucking it up worse? If you hated Bush, I can't believe you think Owe Bama is a breath of fresh air.

He passed heath care, unfortunately, one without the public option. Which was weird, since Republicans supported a public option in the Iraqi constitution (Article 31).

He kept the economy from a depression.

He is working on intelligent regulation of Wall Street.

He has been working on a comprehensive energy package.

Come on now. Bush and the Republicans had eight years. Wild deregulation. Two never ending wars. A trillion point three drug bill with no means of paying for IT.

What did Republicans do? Seriously.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

The way you take your country back is to elect those representatives who best represent your views. If people who have views different than you manage to win those elections....you really need to quit your bitching

"You really need to quit your bitching." LOL! I love it! This coming from the "I hate dat BOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!" nutters just seems so disingenuous. You kooks had no problems bitching 24/7 and screeching that "Take back our Country" rhetoric when the other side had power. This feigned outrage stuff is just so lame. No one bitched more than you "I hate dat BOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!" nutters. So i'm gonna have to call Bull Chit on this post. BULL CHIT!!!

 

[Richard-H]

I'm going with Marcel on this one. You should listen to him more. The Socialists/Progressives have completely sunk so many future generations. The Socialists/Progressives are ruining our country. Marcel definitely nailed that one. It is time for Americans to take their country back. Btw,you Socialists/Progressives sure did screech a lot of that "Take back our Country" rhetoric when the other side had power no? So i just don't get the sudden outrage over such rhetoric. You guys sound a bit disingenuous & hypocritical on this one. WTG Marcel! I'm with ya brotha.

Actually, NO I don't ever recall liberals saying "take our country back". It must be your delusional imagination.

Have you ever considered that your entire set of political view are based on paranoid hypothesis?

You should get in touch with reality, I know that it may be painful as it may cause you to abandon your fantasy world, but actually reality is quite interesting - you should try it.

For example:

Progressives are not socialists and visa versa.

I know it hurts but after a while you may take a liking to this reality stuff. You may even find that your friends start to respect you quite a lot more.